Yeah, whatever. Or I'm the guy who's simply watched this team fail to play average defense for 8 years. It's such BS the way you guys are framing my opinions, like I'm some whackadoodle with no basis for saying this stuff. Seriously, who is a star on the Packers, besides Rodgers and probably Adams? There is not a single guy on the roster who qualifies as a "star." The closest one is probably Kenny Clark at this point, honestly, if we're excluding Jimmy Graham. It's like nobody watched what happened when Rodgers got hurt last year. The roster was exposed for the mediocrity that it is. The Packers should have been investing in defense for the last decade, not paying Cobbs and Nelsons $10mm when Rodgers could have had adequate success with league minimum type veterans. The difference between the Packers and Patriots? They do the latter and invest money at impact positions, or get the last ounce of football from other team's throwaways. Ted's "I'm keeping my guys even if it means overpaying" has hurt the Packers dearly. Before someone says it, no I don't expect Patriot-type dominance, but I definitely feel justified saying they should have played in more than one Super Bowl by now. What's really bugging me about the attitude towards what I've said is that I don't think any of it has been that unreasonable. I literally just said Clark and Daniels are championship caliber guys and that Blake Martinez is a keeper as well. But you can keep on being a jerk about it. My personal feeling is that you're letting the Packers' lack of championship success in the Rodgers' era sway your opinion about the roster quality, and if that's the case I think that's understandable to an extent. Here's how I look at it. The Packers went, I believe, 3-7 under Hundley, which would extrapolate to about a 5-11 season. Bad, but not Cleveland Browns bad. But still definitely bad. The missing part of this equation is how much of a disaster we had at QB. Hundley was one of the worst in the NFL. If he had performed as we hoped, it may have not been as bad. A league average QB probably goes 5-5 or so in that stretch. QB play is enormously important, and ours was a disaster. Look at the Texans after Watson went down -- their QB play was as bad as ours, and they went 1-8 without Watson. And the Texans roster besides Watson is not what most would see as a terrible roster. So do I think this roster in the 52 guys besides starting QB is as good as the Vikings or Patriots or Eagles, no I don't. But I don't see them as the disaster you do, either. I'd probably put them right around league average, which obviously goes up tremendously when you add in Rodgers. I also agree that there have been some bad investments. Dropping 8 figures a year on 3 different receivers is just silly, and Bennett was a disaster from the get-go. I also think having over a 5M cap number for a kicker is completely ridiculous.