Packers 2022 Discussion Thread

[KeithStone53151]

Something that just occurred to me on Love's contract. As a 1st round pick, he would have 3 years left on his contract. Since most of the QBs don't sound like they will go in the 1st round this year, they would all be on 4 year contracts. So basically, there is a difference of only 1 year of control.

 

So many who are comparing Rodgers/Love to Favre/Rodgers fail to remember that Rodgers actually sat for THREE years, and didn't really show franchise QB potential until his 3rd season. If the Packers choose to hang on to Love, we could very well have a very different perspective on this at this time next year.

 

Also factor in year 1 was basically a lost development season due to COVID. I did not realize how darn young Jordan Love was until reading this today. Going into his 3rd year and he's only 23.

[homer]

Colts just traded Carson Wentz. I believe they were rumored to really like Jordan Love. Some surmised this is why the Packers traded up so the Colts couldn't get him.

[adambr2]

Been hearing for months how impossible it was to franchise tag Adams since the Packers are too much over the cap but the obvious tagging of Adams happened as well.

 

Just to be clear, tagging Adams IS impossible. Yes, they tagged him for now of course, procedural. But they can't go into the season with Adams at that franchise tag cap hit. Nor can they keep Rodgers at his current cap number.

 

Hopefully that's all been worked out and being finalized, otherwise more drama to come.

 

I actually think from a Rodgers/Adams window type standpoint, Adams playing under the franchise tag this year and next year would be about the ideal scenario.

 

Does anyone believe we're going to get 4 more years out of Rodgers? My guess would be 2, and that fits nicely into the window that we could reasonably expect high level play out of Adams, and then we wouldn't carry cap commitments to Adams beyond '23.

 

However....obviously won't happen. They are all-in on the next couple years and extending Adams will give them more room for other moves, presumably.

[adambr2]

Colts just traded Carson Wentz. I believe they were rumored to really like Jordan Love. Some surmised this is why the Packers traded up so the Colts couldn't get him.

 

Colts have pick #47. Take it and run if you can get it.

[jerichoholicninja]

Seems like a dumb move by the Colts. Who's out there that's an upgrade? Jimmy G, maybe.

[PeaveyFury]

Seems like a dumb move by the Colts. Who's out there that's an upgrade? Jimmy G, maybe.

 

Honestly, that's why a Love trade for them makes a lot of sense. I wouldn't spend tens of millions of dollars on ANY of the FA QBs and expect them to be better than Wentz.

[Joseph Zarr]

Seems like a dumb move by the Colts. Who's out there that's an upgrade? Jimmy G, maybe.

 

Honestly, that's why a Love trade for them makes a lot of sense. I wouldn't spend tens of millions of dollars on ANY of the FA QBs and expect them to be better than Wentz.

 

First thing I thought post-trade: THAT is an ideal Love destination.

[Matt Breen]

Seems like a dumb move by the Colts. Who's out there that's an upgrade? Jimmy G, maybe.

 

Honestly, that's why a Love trade for them makes a lot of sense. I wouldn't spend tens of millions of dollars on ANY of the FA QBs and expect them to be better than Wentz.

Love would be fascinating for Indy. With Taylor, not everything would be on him. Perhaps they add someone like Fitzpatrick as well - just in case Love flops.

[patrickgpe]

Colts just traded Carson Wentz. I believe they were rumored to really like Jordan Love. Some surmised this is why the Packers traded up so the Colts couldn't get him.

rumors are that they are going to go after Jimmy G.

 

If i was the colts owner I'd fire their GM immediately. He gave away a 1st for 1 year of Wentz and did even go to the playoffs and all he got back was a swap of 2's and 2 3's.

[PeaveyFury]

Colts just traded Carson Wentz. I believe they were rumored to really like Jordan Love. Some surmised this is why the Packers traded up so the Colts couldn't get him.

 

Colts have pick #47. Take it and run if you can get it.

 

As alluded to by patrick, they apparently swapped 2nds with Washington as part of today's trade and now have #42. I'd take 42 and one of their thirds all day.

[Matt Breen]

Colts just traded Carson Wentz. I believe they were rumored to really like Jordan Love. Some surmised this is why the Packers traded up so the Colts couldn't get him.

rumors are that they are going to go after Jimmy G.

 

If i was the colts owner I'd fire their GM immediately. He gave away a 1st for 1 year of Wentz and did even go to the playoffs and all he got back was a swap of 2's and 2 3's.

I'm surprised the Colts got that much for Wentz. And they don't have to pay any of his salary. Two thirds is just fine (of which one can turn into a 2nd if Wentz plays a lot). Plus there's the switch of the 2s.

[adambr2]

Yeah, Jimmy G seems to make a lot more sense for the Colts. They are flush with cap space and don't need to worry about saving money on a QB. They'll probably prefer a safe floor guy as a borderline playoff team.

Spending a 2nd on a total wild card doesn't seem to make much sense for themthem.

 

I guess maybe if they lose the Jimmy G sweepstakes then maybe but even then they may prefer to target someone like Mariota or Trubisky.

[PeaveyFury]

Yeah, Jimmy G seems to make a lot more sense for the Colts. They are flush with cap space and don't need to worry about saving money on a QB. They'll probably prefer a safe floor guy as a borderline playoff team.

Spending a 2nd on a total wild card doesn't seem to make much sense for themthem.

 

I guess maybe if they lose the Jimmy G sweepstakes then maybe but even then they may prefer to target someone like Mariota or Trubisky.

 

And if that’s true, and it may be, that’s why most NFL teams struggle to find QBs. Continually cycling through overpaid ‘veteran’ guys who are proven failures or mediocrity while wondering why they can’t get their franchise turned around. The fact that Trubisky is the hottest FA QB is literal lunacy.

 

Hey, maybe Sam Bradford deserves a 4th (or is it 5th?) shot.

[adambr2]

Yeah, Jimmy G seems to make a lot more sense for the Colts. They are flush with cap space and don't need to worry about saving money on a QB. They'll probably prefer a safe floor guy as a borderline playoff team.

Spending a 2nd on a total wild card doesn't seem to make much sense for themthem.

 

I guess maybe if they lose the Jimmy G sweepstakes then maybe but even then they may prefer to target someone like Mariota or Trubisky.

 

And if that’s true, and it may be, that’s why most NFL teams struggle to find QBs. Continually cycling through overpaid ‘veteran’ guys who are proven failures or mediocrity while wondering why they can’t get their franchise turned around. The fact that Trubisky is the hottest FA QB is literal lunacy.

 

Hey, maybe Sam Bradford deserves a 4th (or is it 5th?) shot.

 

I think with Trubisky there is still the pondering of "does he really suck or is it just that Matt Nagy really sucked?"

 

Maybe the former, but you aren't a top 3 pick in the NFL without some traits that teams want.

[Jenkins5]

Anyone else find it funny how much people are running with the 4 year 200 million contract still? Rodgers tweeted that was not true (he never addresses things usually on own). Also Pat McAfee has reported it is not true. His “source” that we all know is Rodgers told him that’d make no sense for him to make that deal to come back to make another run or two at Super Bowl. Because they wouldn’t be able to retain key players.

 

This is really interesting. Ian is usually pretty good with reliable sources. However, clearly Pat has the best source. Also don’t think that source for how much he appreciates those guys would steer them wrong & publicly make them look bad. So curious what this extension will look like. If ARod was ever going to take a team friendly deal, it would be to help lock up Adams & get him the top dollar he deserves. People like to paint ARod in worst light as egotistical, selfish, etc but he does take care of his inner circle.

 

Just want process to speed up & see how all this cap stuff & new contracts work out

[nodakfan17]

I’m not too keen on trading Love unless the Packers can net at least a second round pick for him (or perhaps a starter at a different position). He’s a young, affordable backup with some upside and 2 years of experience in MLF’s offense.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Anyone else find it funny how much people are running with the 4 year 200 million contract still?

 

Yes - I've been looking at a bunch of articles and tweets using that as the assumed contract value, but to the best of my knowledge there hasn't been any pen to paper on a new contract. Since many of this comes from the same mouths of reports and "insiders" who spent the past few weeks attempting to scoop what trade packages various other teams had laid out for the Packers to acquire Rodgers as he was headed out of town, I'm assuming it's all still speculation like it tends to be with news surrounding #12.

 

Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see other roster moves, including a new Adams contract, Alexander extension, new Preston Smith contract, trade(s), and a necessary cut or two prior to Rodgers' new deal actually being finalized right before the new league year starts next week in order for them to have a definitive 2022 cap # Rodgers' new contract has to get under.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Yeah, Jimmy G seems to make a lot more sense for the Colts. They are flush with cap space and don't need to worry about saving money on a QB. They'll probably prefer a safe floor guy as a borderline playoff team.

Spending a 2nd on a total wild card doesn't seem to make much sense for themthem.

 

I guess maybe if they lose the Jimmy G sweepstakes then maybe but even then they may prefer to target someone like Mariota or Trubisky.

 

And if that’s true, and it may be, that’s why most NFL teams struggle to find QBs. Continually cycling through overpaid ‘veteran’ guys who are proven failures or mediocrity while wondering why they can’t get their franchise turned around. The fact that Trubisky is the hottest FA QB is literal lunacy.

 

Hey, maybe Sam Bradford deserves a 4th (or is it 5th?) shot.

 

I think with Trubisky there is still the pondering of "does he really suck or is it just that Matt Nagy really sucked?"

 

Maybe the former, but you aren't a top 3 pick in the NFL without some traits that teams want.

 

Or you can be Ryan Leaf, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Goff, Wentz, Jameis Winston, Mariota, Bortles, Bradford, JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young....or Trubisky. Some of these QBs had a good year or two, some were total busts....but all of them aren't franchise-changing quarterbacks. Trubisky fits in the mold of being a decent backup QB option IMO - definitely not deserving of being a 2nd overall pick in a draft that included much better quarterbacks with more complete and predictable playing credentials at the collegiate level.

 

What still makes the Trubisky pick that draft year so egregious at #2 is the Bears moved up 1 spot to get him specifically (that trade included a 3rd and 4th rounder of that draft, plus a 2018 3rd round pick), while Mahomes and Watson were sitting there as well. The Bears identified Trubisky as being that much better than Mahomes that they were scared of other teams jumping up one spot ahead of them to pick Trubisky specifically. Even if the Bears didn't make that trade with the 49ers and someone else picked Trubisky, their consolation prize could've wound up being a far better quarterback in either Mahomes or Watson.

 

The 3rd round pick the 49ers got from the Bears got traded to the Saints - who moved up to pick Alvin Kamara with that spot. Oh yeah, that 2018 3rd round pick the Bears shipped San Fran as a throw in to move up one spot for Trubisky? That turned into Fred Warner.

[patrickgpe]

this is all hindsight. if you think a QB is much better you do what you can to get him. its a qb driven league. He was wrong and paid with his job. thats how things should be.

[adambr2]

Comparing Trubisky with Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell is pretty absurd. If you look at his career numbers he hasn't been all that bad, especially given being under Matt Nagy his entire career.

 

 

It takes some pretty tinted Packer goggles to suggest that Trubisky is trash but Love should be worth more than a 2nd round pick.

[PeaveyFury]

The QB-starved Bears declined the fifth year option on a guy they traded up to take 2nd overall, and was a backup last year. Saying that he is anything other than a major NFL flop at this point is a little perplexing.

[adambr2]

The QB-starved Bears declined the fifth year option on a guy they traded up to take 2nd overall, and was a backup last year. Saying that he is anything other than a major NFL flop at this point is a little perplexing.

 

At this point, yes. That doesn't make him comparable to Russell and Leaf.

 

And again, while yes he's a flop at this point there's a reason he has a hot market for QB needy teams.

[PeaveyFury]

The QB-starved Bears declined the fifth year option on a guy they traded up to take 2nd overall, and was a backup last year. Saying that he is anything other than a major NFL flop at this point is a little perplexing.

 

At this point, yes. That doesn't make him comparable to Russell and Leaf.

 

And again, while yes he's a flop at this point there's a reason he has a hot market for QB needy teams.

 

Because he was a high draft pick, there’s no one else available, and a lot of teams are dumb?

[LouisEly]

The QB-starved Bears declined the fifth year option on a guy they traded up to take 2nd overall, and was a backup last year. Saying that he is anything other than a major NFL flop at this point is a little perplexing.

His 5th year option salary would have been $24.8M. The list of QBs who are worth that is not a long list. The 5th year option for a top-10 pick is the average of the 10 highest paid players at that position when the option is exercised, and the way QB salaries are going that system is getting pretty stacked against retaining top-10 QB picks. Because of that, I think you'll start to see fewer QBs picked in the top 10 because it is getting very hard to keep even an average QB to a 5th year.

 

Trubisky is obviously not worth $24.8M, but that doesn't mean that he's a major NFL flop. It means that he isn't worth anywhere near $24.8M.

[PeaveyFury]

Ok, but then couple that with the fact that they Bears didn’t try to offer a lesser deal, and we reach the same end point.