Packers 2022 Discussion Thread

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

4 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

I've been lukewarm on the whole OBJ idea, but...sure, if they can make it work. I wanted Julio, but he chose Tampa Bay.

Shenault bugs the hell outta me as he is so perfect for this offense, but what can you do.

Considering the low price Shenault ended up going for, I'm sure if the Packers truly wanted him and thought he could be a big part of the offense, they could have gotten him pretty easily. Yes, I know there is scuttlebutt out there that they had interest, but apparently it wasn't too great of interest. Hopefully Amari Rodgers can be the same type of offensive weapon that you envision Shenault would be. 

[UpandIn]

4 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Considering the low price Shenault ended up going for, I'm sure if the Packers truly wanted him and thought he could be a big part of the offense, they could have gotten him pretty easily. Yes, I know there is scuttlebutt out there that they had interest, but apparently it wasn't too great of interest. Hopefully Amari Rodgers can be the same type of offensive weapon that you envision Shenault would be. 

Maybe, but there are always head scratching trades made...like DeAndre Hopkins. Certainly the Packers...as well as every other team in the NFL would have offered more if Bill O'Brien would have actually shopped him.

I always wonder when a player goes for this much less than his perceived value, did the poorly run team trading him actually communicate with other teams? Was this potential trade going back to the CVL trade? Meaning did they discuss a player for player trade?

Keep in mind, this was the team that blew up the WRer market by giving Kirk 72M over 4 years. 

Maybe the Packers believed he'd simply be put on waivers? A 23 year old WRer who they were very high on just 2 years ago who's had two 600 yard seasons?

 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

9 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

Maybe, but there are always head scratching trades made...like DeAndre Hopkins. Certainly the Packers...as well as every other team in the NFL would have offered more if Bill O'Brien would have actually shopped him.

I always wonder when a player goes for this much less than his perceived value, did the poorly run team trading him actually communicate with other teams? Was this potential trade going back to the CVL trade? Meaning did they discuss a player for player trade?

Keep in mind, this was the team that blew up the WRer market by giving Kirk 72M over 4 years. 

Maybe the Packers believed he'd simply be put on waivers? A 23 year old WRer who they were very high on just 2 years ago who's had two 600 yard seasons?

 

Had he been put on waivers, there is a below zero chance he would have made it to the Packers, given where the Packers are in the waiver pecking order. If they were going to get him, it would have had to be through a trade. And I think that, had they REALLY wanted him, it wouldn't have been too difficult to beat the Panthers' offer. Given the news that other teams were engaged, I don't believe that the Jags didn't communicate with other teams.

[UpandIn]

25 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Had he been put on waivers, there is a below zero chance he would have made it to the Packers, given where the Packers are in the waiver pecking order. If they were going to get him, it would have had to be through a trade. And I think that, had they REALLY wanted him, it wouldn't have been too difficult to beat the Panthers' offer. Given the news that other teams were engaged, I don't believe that the Jags didn't communicate with other teams.

Ok

[CheezWizHed]

A few random thoughts per recent discussion:

Davis - I wonder if there are off-field/locker room issues here? Just my speculation, but his play on the field doesn't match that he was cut by two teams now.  Or maybe it was just injury and they might bring him back later? If he passed through waivers, I think they can put him direct on IR.

Hill - No idea what Hill will be like post-injury, but last year he looked a completely different level than Goodson or Taylor.  I think he is starting RB material.  Good speed, size, vision.  

Ford - I wasn't impressed by his ability to stop the run against 2nd and 3rd string OL.  It reminded me of Slaton as a rookie; very inconsistent and was often moved off the line.  I don't see him being active this year unless we have an emergency.

Backup C - I don't see Jenkins having an issue stepping in and playing C if we need him to...reps or not.  Not that it would be ideal, but the lack of reps there isn't an issue. Hansen is passable now, not great but passable.  Another year and he might be solid.  

Idea harvesting - I saw both the Yosh trade and 2 RB ideas the day after posting them. The Yosh trade was a very small possibility, but made sense if Bakh/Jenkins were healthy.  Maybe coincidence, but odd that both ideas popped out after I posted them. Not that I care...just kind of funny.  I'd take it as a complement if it was true. 

Carpenter - He probably won't be a free safety, but certainly has the size/speed for a strong safety.  If he can cover RBs/TEs, that would be ideal. I loved that he always seemed to be in on the tackle -even if he didn't make it... He always seemed to be there flying to the ball. 

The Vikings - ???...???....???...

[patrickgpe]

3 hours ago, PeaveyFury said:

I haven’t verified, but apparently after yesterday’s cuts the Vikings have released 3 of their first four picks from last year’s draft. Insane.

The Raiders have also now released or declined 5th-year options on all six of their first rounders from 2019-2021.

Those aren't the new GM's picks, so they are easier to cut. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

35 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

Those aren't the new GM's picks, so they are easier to cut. 

It also helps that they're not good football players...I recall that draft that they picked 11 players and had a roster full of holes for them to quickly make an impact - and they stunk.

I think Darrisaw is going to be a player if he can stay healthy....but boy the rest of that draft class was pitiful.

[LouisEly]

Caleb Jones goes unclaimed.  Only Packer claimed is Ty Summers by the Jags. 

(Insert joke about a JAG for the Jags.)

[LouisEly]

Some of those Vikings cuts could be worth a look for the practice squad.  Janarius Robinson was injured all of last year and AFAIK has never really had an opportunity; maybe he was waived-injured.  Surratt I think is worth a tryout for the PS.  Blake Lynch is a guy I wanted the Packers to sign as a UDFA; thought he could be a big nickel/hybrid LB.  Nick Muse might be worth a look at TE; I thought he had good measurables at their pro day.

[LouisEly]

Heflin and Slayton to the PS, so there's your DL depth.  Goodson and Taylor to the PS, so it's likely they will elevate one of them to the main roster each of the first four weeks until they know if Hill will be ready.  Kiondre Thomas and Rico Gafford to the PS for CB depth. 

Signed veteran S Rudy Ford, a special teams gunner/vice specialist, who was cut by Jags and waived Abernathy.  Likely try to get Abernathy back on the PS. 

[CheezWizHed]

I know we plan to play 3 safeties at one time less frequently due to Walker's athleticism, but we really have no one who can cover as a backup safety.  Three ST focused backups. I guess we go with 4 CBs for dime all the time now. 

Also, there always seem to be far fewer waiver wire pickups than we ever expect.  Hope the Jags enjoy their Summer!

[patrickgpe]

11 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

Heflin and Slayton to the PS, so there's your DL depth.  Goodson and Taylor to the PS, so it's likely they will elevate one of them to the main roster each of the first four weeks until they know if Hill will be ready.  Kiondre Thomas and Rico Gafford to the PS for CB depth. 

Signed veteran S Rudy Ford, a special teams gunner/vice specialist, who was cut by Jags and waived Abernathy.  Likely try to get Abernathy back on the PS. 

I'm happy they kept both RB's on the PS and Heflin. Ahmed has been signed also which is very good insurance for Crosby. 

[LouisEly]

21 hours ago, CdrbrgMark said:

Packers waive Cedric Jones. Had a great preseason. You don't think someone is going to grab him? What a stupid move !!!!!!!!!

Cedric (a.k.a. Caleb) Jones to the practice squad. 

[bjkrautk]

Abernathy released in conjunction with the Ford signing; presumably, he's headed for the practice squad.

 

Happy to see that most of the players I was disappointed in seeing cut have made their way to the practice squad.  Didn't see them only keeping Jones and Dillon at RB...but I'm hoping that's a sign of confidence in Kylin Hill coming back in 4 weeks (or at least kicking the roster decision down the road, since the elevation rules will require the team to put one of the 3 of those guys onto the roster before too long).

 

Surprised the Packers held on to all 11 picks; happy for Toure (who impressed me), and I wonder if keeping Ford as a 3rd NT means Kenny Clark will be given more opportunities to move around on the DL.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

21 hours ago, CdrbrgMark said:

Packers waive Cedric Jones. Had a great preseason. You don't think someone is going to grab him? What a stupid move !!!!!!!!!

As happens every year, an UDFA has a decent camp, and fans are up in arms when he's waived. But 99% of the team that guy goes unclaimed and is back on the practice squad the next day. And the fans who get up in arms look somewhat foolish.

[Joseph Zarr]

From what I’ve seen so far, it’s hard to complain about how the Packers have intentionally addressed ST’s. Will it work? Maybe? Lol.

Love how the PS is taking shape. 

[UpandIn]

11 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

A few random thoughts per recent discussion:

Davis - I wonder if there are off-field/locker room issues here? Just my speculation, but his play on the field doesn't match that he was cut by two teams now.  Or maybe it was just injury and they might bring him back later? If he passed through waivers, I think they can put him direct on IR.

Hill - No idea what Hill will be like post-injury, but last year he looked a completely different level than Goodson or Taylor.  I think he is starting RB material.  Good speed, size, vision.  

Ford - I wasn't impressed by his ability to stop the run against 2nd and 3rd string OL.  It reminded me of Slaton as a rookie; very inconsistent and was often moved off the line.  I don't see him being active this year unless we have an emergency.

Backup C - I don't see Jenkins having an issue stepping in and playing C if we need him to...reps or not.  Not that it would be ideal, but the lack of reps there isn't an issue. Hansen is passable now, not great but passable.  Another year and he might be solid.  

Idea harvesting - I saw both the Yosh trade and 2 RB ideas the day after posting them. The Yosh trade was a very small possibility, but made sense if Bakh/Jenkins were healthy.  Maybe coincidence, but odd that both ideas popped out after I posted them. Not that I care...just kind of funny.  I'd take it as a complement if it was true. 

Carpenter - He probably won't be a free safety, but certainly has the size/speed for a strong safety.  If he can cover RBs/TEs, that would be ideal. I loved that he always seemed to be in on the tackle -even if he didn't make it... He always seemed to be there flying to the ball. 

The Vikings - ???...???....???...

I had the same thought on Davis. The knee injury could explain it though. If he was gonna miss a month or more, he probably wasn't worth putting on the roster. 

Hill- He did look like the future replacement for Aaron Jones. I like Goodson, but he's not breaking many tackles...even arm tackles. Good in the open field, definitely worthy of a #3 RB, but sure, Hill looks different. 

Ford-That was easily the most surprising 53 man spot for me. I thought he looked good and I think he's solid vs the run in so much as he doesn't get moved. He's not blowing plays up or getting into the backfield, but he'll stand a guard up. But again, they look like they'll play so much nickel, 3 NTs? As always, I'll defer to the experts...but this seems like maybe favoring him a bit more because he was a draft pick. I mean...we are mocking the Vikings for cutting so many of there picks. One of FOUR 7th rounders is a bit different than 3 of their top 4 picks, but I think GMs want to see their picks click. 

Hanson-Again...I see it the same as you, but he's their starting RG on their initial depth chart. We're apparently just not seeing the talent. Royce Newman by the way, starting RT. I don't know if that's an official depth chart, but it'd mean that we're starting the year without Bahk(expected), Jenkins(a little less expected given his progress, but it sounds like he aggravated something) and Zach Tom is still not starting. We'll see how it plays out, but after this pre-season, I'd be VERY surprised of he is not one of their 5 best OL and Hanson/Neman are. 

Yosh/RB-You might have come up with the Nijman idea. It is a sound idea. Particularly if you think Bahk, Jenkins will be back and that Tom, Newman, Walker and now Jones(who I'm very happy cleared waivers) provide depth.

The 2 RBs...that one's been going around for a while now. Andy Herman suggested it a month or so ago...and is taking his victory lap on that one!

Either way, you were right...and it made a lot of sense. Hill's on track, Rodgers CAN play some RB, Deguara if we're in an emergency situation can help out in pass pro and I didn't yet see everyone who cleared waivers, but I'd be very surprised if Goodson and Taylor don't. So go week to week and you'll have 3 until Hill comes back. It just...didn't really dawn on me. Nor did trading our starting LT, but they make sense. 

Carpenter-I don't really know what he is yet. Definitely an in the box safety. I have no doubt he can play SS. A nickel safety maybe? If Quay ends up being our 3rd edge rusher a good chunk of the time...that could be helpful. 

We are dangerously thin in the secondary. As good as our starters are, we'll likely have to address that depth issue at some point. 

 

And yes...the Vikings. I REALLY loved Rick Spielmen as their GM! I thought he was doing a GREAT job! Why fire the guy? He did draft Justin Jefferson!

[UpandIn]

8 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

I know we plan to play 3 safeties at one time less frequently due to Walker's athleticism, but we really have no one who can cover as a backup safety.  Three ST focused backups. I guess we go with 4 CBs for dime all the time now. 

Also, there always seem to be far fewer waiver wire pickups than we ever expect.  Hope the Jags enjoy their Summer!

Maybe they think Douglas can just rotate and move seamlessly from CB to Safety. Perhaps he'll play that star position that...I'm still really not certain what it does exactly in this defense, but it sounds like a little bit more of a slot corner/roving safety. I probably should know by this point, but I've just heard them talk about who was going to play the star without much detail about. I know at different times Savage, Jaire, Amos, and King have played it. 

 

7 hours ago, bjkrautk said:

 

Surprised the Packers held on to all 11 picks; happy for Toure (who impressed me), and I wonder if keeping Ford as a 3rd NT means Kenny Clark will be given more opportunities to move around on the DL.

I think that's exactly what it means. They tried this a few years ago and it was during a time when Clark wasn't playing well. Maybe '19, could have been earlier in '20. Back when Clark was kinda hot to start the season and then just good the middle of the year, then turned it up later in the year. A lot people...pundits and fans(and PFF FWIW) chalked it up to him just being a natural NT. 

Then last year with Slaton flashing, they started playing Clark more as a DE and he played really well. This camp it seemed like he was playing almost exclusively as a 3 technique in the base and then moving around in the nickel(which they played about 90% of the time from what it sounds like in practice). 

I think it's a product of the depth we've got. If you have a NT who can hold his ground in Slaton...and he looked like he'd taken a big jump in year 2, and then Lowry with how well he played last year, Reed, both of whom are more natural 5 techniques. 

I think it's just a way to free Clark up to find the best matchup. I don't know if Ford actually has much to do with it, but, in any event, they seem like they're giving Clark more freedom. 

Toure...I agree, he looked really smooth. ALMOST like a Greg Jennings type. I know that's probably a bit of a reach(and his name is banned around here) but he just looks smooth. 

At the start of camp, I thought between Ford, Carpenter, Toure and Walker...I just didn't see all 4 making it. Other than Toure, I think you could argue either way on the other three. Walker just played the one game, Carpenter appears to be a STs specialist and Ford was the 8th best DL we had. But they obviously see the upside in each of them. 

 

 

[UpandIn]

8 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

As happens every year, an UDFA has a decent camp, and fans are up in arms when he's waived. But 99% of the team that guy goes unclaimed and is back on the practice squad the next day. And the fans who get up in arms look somewhat foolish.

Man, it's a good thing the Packers and Brewers have such a guardian who is always at the ready should someone disagree with the front offices! Or...even just the whiff of someone, maybe, might, kinda having a different opinion as well!

Keep fighting the good fight...

= 

 

[CheezWizHed]

9 hours ago, UpandIn said:

Toure...I agree, he looked really smooth. ALMOST like a Greg Jennings type. I know that's probably a bit of a reach(and his name is banned around here) but he just looks smooth. 

It's fine to mention his name as long as you point out how we drafted and developed him to be a star and then let him fall on his face for the Vikings.  

[CheezWizHed]

7 hours ago, UpandIn said:

Man, it's a good thing the Packers and Brewers have such a guardian who is always at the ready should someone disagree with the front offices! Or...even just the whiff of someone, maybe, might, kinda having a different opinion as well!

Keep fighting the good fight...

= 

 

Hey, us owners get to have our say! 

But seriously, I've always enjoyed being the arm-chair GM.  I think the "regular Joe" can relate to the work by watching the games and evaluating how guys do.  Just as long as you don't go over the top on it...  GMs do whiff all the time too.

And speaking of Rick Spielman, I will actually miss the guy. Living in Vikingland and seeing Rick's interviews and reports, Rick seemed like a very good person even if he did work for the enemy.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

8 hours ago, UpandIn said:

Man, it's a good thing the Packers and Brewers have such a guardian who is always at the ready should someone disagree with the front offices! Or...even just the whiff of someone, maybe, might, kinda having a different opinion as well!

Keep fighting the good fight...

= 

 

The Packers make plenty of odd and arguably wrong/terrible personnel moves. I just thought that particular one was an odd one to get so upset about. That type of scenario happens every year.

[LouisEly]

9 hours ago, UpandIn said:

Man, it's a good thing the Packers and Brewers have such a guardian who is always at the ready should someone disagree with the front offices! Or...even just the whiff of someone, maybe, might, kinda having a different opinion as well!

Keep fighting the good fight...

= 

 

It's not what people do, it's how they do it.  It transcends multiple forums here where it's one thing to say something like, "I'm really surprised that they _________ as (my personal observations were __________).  Don't agree with that move." versus making definitive statements insisting that you are correct, others are wrong, and using five exclamation points.

[UpandIn]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

Hey, us owners get to have our say! 

But seriously, I've always enjoyed being the arm-chair GM.  I think the "regular Joe" can relate to the work by watching the games and evaluating how guys do.  Just as long as you don't go over the top on it...  GMs do whiff all the time too.

And speaking of Rick Spielman, I will actually miss the guy. Living in Vikingland and seeing Rick's interviews and reports, Rick seemed like a very good person even if he did work for the enemy.

Yeah, it's just fun to guess and follow the young guys, watch them develop. A forum like this is a way to kinda BS about the Packers on a higher level than just the "so Packers look good this year, huh," line. We get invested in this team...and by extension the players. And a guy like Caleb Jones or Yosh Nijman. 

One Packers beat writer said something like there were a lot of "nervous hours spent waiting," in the front office to see is Caleb Jones would clear...so he's a guy they obviously wanted, but they've also got excellent depth(which is why that Yosh idea may yet make sense). 

 

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

It's fine to mention his name as long as you point out how we drafted and developed him to be a star and then let him fall on his face for the Vikings.  

Oof...I don't root for former Packers to fail...save for when they wear Purple. I also don't blame a player for taking more money, but the man, when you go from prime Aaron Rodgers to Christian Ponder...you should expect you're not going to see much of that deal. 

He went for more money...which, all power to ya! You have a short career. That said, he had 800 and 750 yards with....Christian Ponder and Joe Webb or whoever at QB. MAYBE had he stayed in GB, he'd have actually earned more money as he wouldn't have gotten cut.

 

As an aside, I wonder what he'll say about Wilson taking a 5 year 245M dollar contract extension. Is he also being selfish? Ah...whatever, media needs to stop asking him about Rodgers and he needs to stop talking about him already...

[UpandIn]

19 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

It's not what people do, it's how they do it.  It transcends multiple forums here where it's one thing to say something like, "I'm really surprised that they _________ as (my personal observations were __________).  Don't agree with that move." versus making definitive statements insisting that you are correct, others are wrong, and using five exclamation points.

I really don't think it makes much of a difference other than how aggressive the response is. 

If it's "I'm really surprised that they...." it's invariably, "I'm sure they know better than you." -Yes, of course they do.

If it's, "I wish they hadn't done X, that didn't work out," or "I never understood that," it's "It's always easy in hindsight."

It's a pretty consistent refrain and it's just kinda ultimately blindly agreeing with the moves of either team(the Bucks as well) or it's like you get a scolding. 

Both teams are run well, fans still have strong opinions and...I'll leave it there as I suspect we won't reach a consensus on this and the season it starting and we have better things to talk about.