Packers 2022 Discussion Thread

[PeaveyFury]

Bakh is indeed active and playing.

[UpandIn]

3 hours ago, PeaveyFury said:

Seems like an odd take. We saw his potential to contribute just last week. Obviously, the reason they were able to sign him was the fact that he took little money because of the associated risk.

Considering that Julio Jones, another player that fans wanted the Packers to sign, is also already battling nagging injuries and is likely to miss today's game, it shows that the 'veteran WRs' that were available this offseason all had flaws.

Yup. I'd be willing to bet the Packers would have went after Allen Robinson pretty hard if they knew Davante Adams was gonna leave. And I have a REAL hard time blaming them for not offering Adams 27M+ a year ago before anyone else was getting paid anywhere near that at the WRer position. 

There were some really good deals on really talented WRers(DJ Chark for example)...or we'd have brought back EQ. But we were just in a bad situation with Adams. I really didn't think he'd leave in the end. Rodgers sudden waffling didn't help, but, whatever. It's over. 

[UpandIn]

24 minutes ago, PeaveyFury said:

Bakh is indeed active and playing.

And all the people trashing Bakh need to be shamed and ridiculed with all the pettiness online. 

Not the people who just were unsure if he'd come back, but the people calling him a princess who doesn't care or quit once he got paid. 

Bold Prediction-Bahk comes back and has the highest pass blocking grade of anyone on our OL. MAYBE it'll be Jenkins his 2nd game back, but...I'm skeptical. 

I'm also skeptical about the general outlook for this game, but usually when that's the case, the Packers end up surprising. 

[PeaveyFury]

I am still modestly bewildered that the staff feels that Newman is their best guard option.

[OldHeidelberg]

MLF just said Bakh will be limited today.

[HarryDoyle]

4 hours ago, LouisEly said:

When you look at what even marginal WRs were getting in FA in the offseason, they didn't have the cap space to get someone who was both "good" and "durable".  They had to pick one or the other.  I really believe they thought that Adams would resign - and they did offer more than the Raiders - but didn't anticipate how appealing playing with his college QB was. 

I wonder how appealing Adams finds 0-3.

[UpandIn]

Adams with 34 targets and 17 catches. They're trying to FORCE the ball into him and he's still not getting the catches.

I get he wants to have this HOF career and Rodgers wasn't clear about how long he'd be here...but he really only signed a 3 year extension. 

But, whatever. We don't win this game without Campbell and not just because of that last play, he was great all day. Tonyan may not be back if Adams is, Watson wouldn't be here...most likely. Or one of Walker and Wyatt. Maybe Doubs. 

 

[UpandIn]

4 hours ago, PeaveyFury said:

I am still modestly bewildered that the staff feels that Newman is their best guard option.

Yeah...clearly we're idiots...because it seems obvious that at LEAST Tom is as good as Newman right now and offers not only more upside, but you can do more with him. How many plays do we ask our guards to get out on the edge pulling or block in space on different screens?

He must not be ready yet...I guess?

[Fear The Chorizo]

4 hours ago, OldHeidelberg said:

MLF just said Bakh will be limited today.

He was definitely on a snap count...seemed kind of like him and Yosh alternated series but it wasn't a strict every other sort of thing as the game wore on.  When he was on the field be seemed to play just fine.

Fingers crossed he can build on today and take another step towards being their every down LT.

[homer]

Doubs reminded me a little of Donald Driver. I think that kid has a chance to be special. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

17 minutes ago, homer said:

Doubs reminded me a little of Donald Driver. I think that kid has a chance to be special. 

He seems very decisive and explosive trying to get upfield once he gets the ball in his hands...had a pretty darn good game today despite the offense going into snooze mode most of the 2nd half once the Bucs' defense shut down the Packer running game.

[OldHeidelberg]

38 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

He was definitely on a snap count...seemed kind of like him and Yosh alternated series but it wasn't a strict every other sort of thing as the game wore on.  When he was on the field be seemed to play just fine.

Fingers crossed he can build on today and take another step towards being their every down LT.

Yes, I think I heard Rodgers in post game say something along the lines that a tackle rotation isn't ideal but Bakh started and finished the game and looked fine. I think whether he can come back and play next week will tell us a lot.

[OldHeidelberg]

Loos like Mac Jones out next week with high ankle sprain.

[homer]

Pack should be solid favorites the next 4 games 

[HarryDoyle]

They should be favored, but the Pats are playing better football than I thought they would this year (as well as the Giants). It won't be a gimme despite Jones most likely being out.

[UpandIn]

Per PFF;

 

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KEVIN KING TAKING TIME TO GET HEALTHY

Former Green Bay Packers cornerback Kevin King is one of the youngest, most experienced players still available in free agency at 27 years old with 2,689 career snaps under his belt, which begs the question of why he’s still unsigned.

The answer: King turned down contract offers with the plan to take the season off to get healthy, according to sources. King has dealt with hip, knee, back, shoulder, groin, hamstring and quadriceps injuries over the course of his career. Last season alone, he dealt with a concussion, COVID-19 and hip, knee and shoulder injuries. There’s always a chance King could change his mind if he’s feeling better and the right opportunity presents itself — there are plenty of cornerback-needy teams out there, and King earned a 71.0 PFF grade last season — but the current plan is for him to rest this season and return in 2023. King is currently committed to his plan, according to sources.

 

That 71.0 grade...I'd like to see how that was broken down as 71 is a very good, solid starter. He wasn't that at CB. I think more of his value came when they slid him inside into almost a nickel LBer(which is what they they went and got Quay Walker for). Seems like a good idea. For a guy who came into the league with a shoulder injury. Spend the year rebuilding his body,

Meanwhile in GB, Keisean Nixon looks like a very nice slot CB, a helluva gunner and a perfect #4. 

I would have to guess the Bills would be back in on him, calling his agent, seeing how he feels with the deluge of injuries they're dealing with.

[PeaveyFury]

34 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

Per PFF;

 

That 71.0 grade...I'd like to see how that was broken down as 71 is a very good, solid starter.

Meanwhile in GB, Keisean Nixon looks like a very nice slot CB, a helluva gunner and a perfect #4. 
 

On King, I believe (though could certainly be wrong) PFF's grades are purely based on the snaps you're on the field for and aren't weighted by playing time, etc. Hypothetically, I suppose, since the Packers really didn't need him on the field last year as they had in the past, the limited snaps he played could hypothetically have been ones that allowed them to play to his strengths vs. needing him to be a 3-down CB.

On Nixon (and Ford), they really did a nice job this offseason of snagging two under-the-radar guys to provide competent secondary depth. As we all know, you can't have too many good DBs in the modern NFL.

[UpandIn]

28 minutes ago, PeaveyFury said:

On King, I believe (though could certainly be wrong) PFF's grades are purely based on the snaps you're on the field for and aren't weighted by playing time, etc. Hypothetically, I suppose, since the Packers really didn't need him on the field last year as they had in the past, the limited snaps he played could hypothetically have been ones that allowed them to play to his strengths vs. needing him to be a 3-down CB.

On Nixon (and Ford), they really did a nice job this offseason of snagging two under-the-radar guys to provide competent secondary depth. As we all know, you can't have too many good DBs in the modern NFL.

Yeah, it's definitely just grading the snaps a player plays. I'd be surprised if he played more than about 1/3rd of their total snaps last year. 

Nixon's been great. Not sure Ford is a good safety, but he's been a big STs boost. I'd imagine we'll still need to add someone at some point, but with Abernathy, Thomas still on the PS, we're in good shape now.

We do need Amos and Savage to play better. Yesterday both were pretty solid.

[UpandIn]

Now we know why CMIII wasn't happy about Rashan Gary taking over his number! He wanted to come back;

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34676863/clay-matthews-says-had-hoped-finish-career-green-bay-packers

 

This is where I'd take a little shot at Garvin, but I thought he actually played a little bit better this past week.

[CheezWizHed]

On 9/25/2022 at 7:40 PM, homer said:

Doubs reminded me a little of Donald Driver. I think that kid has a chance to be special. 

I went back a little further and was thinking Robert Brooks.  Granted wearing #87 probably triggered it, but he looks the part a bit too.  Granted 2" taller and 20lbs heavier, but visually it looks the same.  I love to see him have a bit of a break-out game, but a bit surprising with Lazard on the field.   But Doubs just gets open...loving the late round pick!

Bahk looked pretty good out there.  Hopefully he can continue to go the right direction and ramp up to full time.

Nice to see the team rounding into shape (physically and metaphorically).

[GAME05]

I don't think Lazard hurts opportunities for everyone else. Feels like the Packers would much rather use him as a downfield blocker to spring others than as any big catching option. If Doubs or Watson can show they don't have brick hands I'm sure they'll start getting way more targets.

[homer]

27 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

I don't think Lazard hurts opportunities for everyone else. Feels like the Packers would much rather use him as a downfield blocker to spring others than as any big catching option. If Doubs or Watson can show they don't have brick hands I'm sure they'll start getting way more targets.

Lazard is almost like a "tight end light". He's an awesome run blocker, great in the red zone, can get open downfield if need be although not his specialty. I think the Jaguars wanted to make him a tight end when they originally signed him.

[CheezWizHed]

Maybe I should say... I'm not surprised that the Packers continue to use him just like before (given his size/speed), but with Rodger's talking about Lazard being the #1 WR, I was surprised to see Doubs get so many balls early.  It took some time before Lazard showed up...granted at very key points when he did - like usual. 

[UpandIn]

10 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

I went back a little further and was thinking Robert Brooks.  Granted wearing #87 probably triggered it, but he looks the part a bit too.  Granted 2" taller and 20lbs heavier, but visually it looks the same.  I love to see him have a bit of a break-out game, but a bit surprising with Lazard on the field.   But Doubs just gets open...loving the late round pick!

Bahk looked pretty good out there.  Hopefully he can continue to go the right direction and ramp up to full time.

Nice to see the team rounding into shape (physically and metaphorically).

Bakh looked AMAZING out there when put in context. He wasn't quite up to his own previous standards, but 20 months, 3 injuries, a looong layoff. He was our best OL(though to me, Josh Myers and the way he matched up with Vita Vea was maybe equally impressive). 

And now Bakh is back, he's practicing the next practice...that's big. It's also leading to speculation in some parts of Packer-land about how the Packers should work Yosh in at RT more as our best 5 are CLEARLY Yosh, Bakh, Myers, Jenkins and Runyan Jr at this point. Tom looks like the 6th best guy to me, but people who've seen more and know more say he's just not big enough. That his technique and understanding is elite, but he just needs to get bigger.

 

Per Doubs, what a difference a week makes. He couldn't create any separation vs the Bears, he's drawing comps to Adams, Brooks and company! He did look just smooth and mature out there. He'll have plenty of mistakes, but if he can work those intermediate routes, that's huge. That's really the only question mark we have in the passing game. We know Cobb, Lazard, Tonyan, they're reliable 3rd down targets, they can find the soft part of the zone underneath. Watson can take the top off a defense(or at least poke a hole in the roof, he'll need to actually get another one thrown to him and then catch it to take the whole roof off). 

[UpandIn]

10 hours ago, GAME05 said:

I don't think Lazard hurts opportunities for everyone else. Feels like the Packers would much rather use him as a downfield blocker to spring others than as any big catching option. If Doubs or Watson can show they don't have brick hands I'm sure they'll start getting way more targets.

He's a good blocker for sure, but I don't really get the downfield blocker reference that's used with him quite a bit. On  passing downs...he's just a regular route runner. Ran the 2nd most routes last year behind only Adams. 

He's also faster than people think. He ran a faster 40 than Adams coming out. Doesn't mean he's faster, there's different types of speed(MVS vs Tyreek Hill for example, MVS, he's not making guys miss in space while Hill could make 3 guys miss in a phone booth). BUT the point is, he's not as slow as I think people kinda believe. 

All that to say, I think Lazard is the #1 WRer still and is Rodgers primary option and I think other teams know that.

Doubs sounds like he has the confidence of Rodgers...but Watson so clearly does not. The way he blew past PPat vs the Vikings, he did that a couple times vs the Bears when they were in clear man coverage in IIRC 3rd and short(normally when Rodgers would hit that big play) and he didn't throw it to him. So he's clearly got much longer to go in order to earn his trust, but it's a long season and...man he could be an incredible weapon. He's also got that Hill speed more than the MVS speed. He can cut in and out of breaks, he's elusive, he is a freak. It just comes down to him on the jugs machine, being where he's supposed and continuing to lay the wood in the run game as he is also a really good run blocking WRer. 

 

10 hours ago, homer said:

Lazard is almost like a "tight end light". He's an awesome run blocker, great in the red zone, can get open downfield if need be although not his specialty. I think the Jaguars wanted to make him a tight end when they originally signed him.

Yeah, that's what I've read repeatedly...but I'm not sure if that's true. 

https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2018/4/30/17301830/allen-lazard-jaguars-signing-contract-nfl-draft-undrafted

Some interesting quotes in there. Whatever, not the point. It IS well known many teams were interested in Lazard as a TE first, especially before he ran a 4.55 at his pro-day. Even then, there were teams who wanted him to put on weight and become an Evan Engram type TE.

One of the things that makes this offense so effective is how they can use these guys interchangeably. Lazard, Tonyan, even Watson. It's also what makes play action so effective. You have that bunch, Lazard inside, and just like the Packers do a dozen times a game, they run that outside zone and Lazard works his way up to the 2nd level and then he's got a couple step on his defender. 

Really gotta find a way to extend him, keep him around. I know that's not a priority at the moment, but he's the type of guy who is more valuable in this scheme than any other(which now about 1/3rd of the league is running thanks to Shanahan/McVay and now LaFleur's success.