Brewers Designate Dinelson Lamet, Pedro Severino For Assignment

[Hopper]

15 hours ago, UpandIn said:

 

I'm alright with not dumping Suter...if people are talking about blowing up chemistry, Suter getting DFA'd wouldn't help. Jake McGee and...I don't recall who else, but there seemed to be another obvious choice. Someone else going to the 60 day perhaps? Topa or...whatever. They should have found a way to keep Lamet. 

Imagine the crying that would have went on in the locker room had we dumped both Hader AND Suter within a day of each other?  They couldn't handle Hader being gone, both being gone and we'd be hiring 26 therapists.

I can't even begin to imagine.

[UpandIn]

8 hours ago, SF70 said:

Not flawed, the truth. 
4 pitchers, no matter how good, were not carrying this team thru 4 rounds of the playoffs. 

Ashby and Peralta weren’t stretched and hadn’t pitched enough to get their command back. The offense was terrible all September, and abhorrent vs LHP all year. 

This team had no chance and would have been by far the worst playoff team in the postseason. This season needed to come to an end. 

 

 

Objectively NOT the truth. 

And I didn't says Peralta and Ashby were going to be throwing 145 pitches or be Madison Bumgarnder. I LITERALLY said "PIECE TOGETHER OTHER GAMES WITH....and then listed 4 pitchers with those two among them. But sure, Freddy couldn't possibly have gotten his command back.(Freddy did throw 4 shutout with 0BB and 4K with the season on the line, but he couldn't have helped as there's no way he could have gotten his command back). 

I presume you follow baseball other than just this season and just this Brewers team, right?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/2006.shtml

Show me how this juggernaut was sooo much more talented than the rest of the playoff field?

"This season needed to come to an end." I don't even know what that means honestly in this context and it sounds ridiculous. 

And the arrogance to say it's not even an ARGUMENT, it's just "the truth," c'mon...?

[SF70]

39 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

Objectively NOT the truth. 

And I didn't says Peralta and Ashby were going to be throwing 145 pitches or be Madison Bumgarnder. I LITERALLY said "PIECE TOGETHER OTHER GAMES WITH....and then listed 4 pitchers with those two among them. But sure, Freddy couldn't possibly have gotten his command back.(Freddy did throw 4 shutout with 0BB and 4K with the season on the line, but he couldn't have helped as there's no way he could have gotten his command back). 

I presume you follow baseball other than just this season and just this Brewers team, right?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/2006.shtml

Show me how this juggernaut was sooo much more talented than the rest of the playoff field?

"This season needed to come to an end." I don't even know what that means honestly in this context and it sounds ridiculous. 

And the arrogance to say it's not even an ARGUMENT, it's just "the truth," c'mon...?

Love your passion, and agree with a lot of what you say, but……..

This year we would have 4 rounds to get through to win a title, ‘06–3. Also back in ‘06 there were good teams, but no great teams, definitely no superteams like there are now. Atlanta, LAD, and Houston are all monstrous and far superior to any team back in ‘06 that St Louis played.

Back to the September Brewers — Bad bullpen, poor offense, mediocre defense, and what happens when these teams throw a LH starter at us?

Glad this season is behind us. Looking forward to what’s ahead.

[UpandIn]

On 10/14/2022 at 3:49 PM, SF70 said:

Love your passion, and agree with a lot of what you say, but……..

This year we would have 4 rounds to get through to win a title, ‘06–3. Also back in ‘06 there were good teams, but no great teams, definitely no superteams like there are now. Atlanta, LAD, and Houston are all monstrous and far superior to any team back in ‘06 that St Louis played.

Back to the September Brewers — Bad bullpen, poor offense, mediocre defense, and what happens when these teams throw a LH starter at us?

Glad this season is behind us. Looking forward to what’s ahead.

It's really not passion. 

The 2006 Cards you're talking about, they did have Super teams(like the Braves and Dodgers, both of whom are now out). They had the Mets, Yankees...

But lets look at 2007. The Rockies, 76-72. 5 back of the Pads late in the year. They ended up winning 21 of their next 22 games to finish up 97-73 before running into the Red Sox. 

The year before? 2005, the 89 win Astros and the Cards, who by your metrics, would again, qualify as a Super team. #1 pitching staff, #3 in Runs, Prime Pujols, Walker, Jim Edmonds...

The Astros? 11th in the NL in Rs scored, very flawed team. 

How about this year? The Phillies. The team that beat us by one whole game after we collapsed. They're in the NLCS vs...the Pads. The team that the Brewers nearly chased down despite constantly tripping over their own...shoelaces at the end of the season. 

So you've got the Pads-Phillies, and you COULD very well have the Guardians and the Astros. 

Please don't tell me you know what would have happened had the Brewers gotten into the playoffs. Phillies fans were saying the same thing, their team was "terrible," and we scored more run than the Pads and our team ERA was 3.83 to 3.81. 

 

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what happens when these teams throw a LH starter at us?

The sum of baseball history at your fingertips and you think it's inconceivable that the Brewers win a game vs a lefty?

How about this...we score a run?

How did the D-backs score multiple runs over Rivera in the bottom of the 9th? Because...it was the playoffs.  Here's a scenario. Yelich walks. Adames hits a HR. Shocking, we scored on a lefty who is probably going to throw 4 innings in that game. 

Maybe Renfroe hits one next. 

 

Virtually EVERY YEAR we see a team that's "not doing anything," if they get in and...shockingly, they do something. 
Last year, the sub .500 Braves...they got in. They won. 
Couple years ago, had the Nats beat. They had "no chance." Won a World Series. 

We lost 4 games, 2 vs Philly, 2 vs SD with the lead in the 9th and lost.

That's the margin and we finish ahead of the two very flawed teams heading to the WS(well, one of them will).

 

So, sure, I'm passionate about the Brewers. ON THIS however, I'm just using the entire history of baseball to point out thi sis an inherently flawed argument. 

[SF70]

3 hours ago, UpandIn said:

It's really not passion. 

The 2006 Cards you're talking about, they did have Super teams(like the Braves and Dodgers, both of whom are now out). They had the Mets, Yankees...

But lets look at 2007. The Rockies, 76-72. 5 back of the Pads late in the year. They ended up winning 21 of their next 22 games to finish up 97-73 before running into the Red Sox. 

The year before? 2005, the 89 win Astros and the Cards, who by your metrics, would again, qualify as a Super team. #1 pitching staff, #3 in Runs, Prime Pujols, Walker, Jim Edmonds...

The Astros? 11th in the NL in Rs scored, very flawed team. 

How about this year? The Phillies. The team that beat us by one whole game after we collapsed. They're in the NLCS vs...the Pads. The team that the Brewers nearly chased down despite constantly tripping over their own...shoelaces at the end of the season. 

So you've got the Pads-Phillies, and you COULD very well have the Guardians and the Astros. 

Please don't tell me you know what would have happened had the Brewers gotten into the playoffs. Phillies fans were saying the same thing, their team was "terrible," and we scored more run than the Pads and our team ERA was 3.83 to 3.81. 

 

The sum of baseball history at your fingertips and you think it's inconceivable that the Brewers win a game vs a lefty?

How about this...we score a run?

How did the D-backs score multiple runs over Rivera in the bottom of the 9th? Because...it was the playoffs.  Here's a scenario. Yelich walks. Adames hits a HR. Shocking, we scored on a lefty who is probably going to throw 4 innings in that game. 

Maybe Renfroe hits one next. 

 

Virtually EVERY YEAR we see a team that's "not doing anything," if they get in and...shockingly, they do something. 
Last year, the sub .500 Braves...they got in. They won. 
Couple years ago, had the Nats beat. They had "no chance." Won a World Series. 

We lost 4 games, 2 vs Philly, 2 vs SD with the lead in the 9th and lost.

That's the margin and we finish ahead of the two very flawed teams heading to the WS(well, one of them will).

 

So, sure, I'm passionate about the Brewers. ON THIS however, I'm just using the entire history of baseball to point out thi sis an inherently flawed argument. 

The team was 4 games under .500 the last 4 months of the season. Those team you cited were healthy and playing good ball entering the postseason, our team was not.

 

[UpandIn]

15 hours ago, SF70 said:

The team was 4 games under .500 the last 4 months of the season. Those team you cited were healthy and playing good ball entering the postseason, our team was not.

 

September
Padres 13-12 100 RS, 102 RA
Phillies 11-14 101 RS, 115 RA
Brewers 15-13 119 RS 118 RA

 

 

[SF70]

8 hours ago, UpandIn said:

September
Padres 13-12 100 RS, 102 RA
Phillies 11-14 101 RS, 115 RA
Brewers 15-13 119 RS 118 RA

 

 

The Brewers were a vastly inferior team to both teams you listed. The team only had 3 healthy and stretched starters, a homer-prone late inning bullpen and their best offensive player all September, a rookie.

And yeah, they couldn’t hit lefty starters. 

Counsell overperformed the month of September getting that team 15 wins.

[UpandIn]

4 hours ago, SF70 said:

The Brewers were a vastly inferior team to both teams you listed. The team only had 3 healthy and stretched starters, a homer-prone late inning bullpen and their best offensive player all September, a rookie.

And yeah, they couldn’t hit lefty starters. 

Counsell overperformed the month of September getting that team 15 wins.

"Vastly inferior?"

87-75
86-76
(This includes two games in which the Phillies won in their final AB).
By definition, they were not "vastly inferior" to either team...though, you could certainly argue both were "vastly inferior" to the Cards, the Mets, the Braves and the Dodgers....

And yet?

I'm not sure when this is going to resonate that it's not even about the Brewers, it's about the very nature of Baseball, small sample sizes and the fluctuation therein that give teams with "no chance" a chance in the playoffs....which is why those "Super Teams" are now out of the playoffs and the Phillies are 3 wins away from the World Series. Particularly when that team has two aces atop their rotation. 

 

I guess using this logic though...they REALLY should just kinda sell everyone. They're going to have "no chance" next year vs the Braves. The Dodgers? They may be even better next year. Padres are going to re-load and bring Tatis back. 

I suppose we just kinda...cut down that apple tree?

[Hacksaw Jim Duggan]

All I am saying is Milwaukee has 3 quality players that should be traded in the next few years.  Stearns better win those trades.  He traded a perennial all-star pitcher for a five-million-dollar salary dump, a multi-million-dollar reliever who is a free-agent, and two wild card minor leaguers.  Burnes, Woodruff, and Adames will be the best players in their respective trades.  Stearns needs to do much much much better or Milwaukee will be drafting top 5 in the future.

[LouisEly]

On 8/3/2022 at 2:38 PM, Brock Beauchamp said:

Dinelson Lamet DFAed?

wut

WHY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I can't even.

DFA'd again after an 11.75 ERA, 7.7 BB/9, 2.1 HR/9, 2.338 WHIP after 16 appearances, 4 starts, and 25.2 innings this season.

That wouldn't have helped.

[TURBO]

I think you can remove all stats from COL though.

Wonder what he would have done with us?

[Brewcrew82]

35 minutes ago, TURBO said:

I think you can remove all stats from COL though.

Wonder what he would have done with us?

Why should we remove all stats from COL? Should we do the same with Brent Suter's from this year?

Lamet hasn't been a major league caliber pitcher since 2020. It wouldn't make a difference where he pitched. 

[LouisEly]

47 minutes ago, TURBO said:

I think you can remove all stats from COL though.

Wonder what he would have done with us?

You might want to look that up first.