Stearns contractual situation

[brewers888]

The time has come to discuss the elephant in the room and that is the situation with David Stearns. He has one year left on his contract with the constant and consistent rumors that he is interested in the Mets job. The team either needs Stearns to commit long term and sign an extension or he should be allowed to leave now.

We cannot let this guy run the team through the 2023 season knowing he is gone after the year. As professional as he has been we must not trust the future of the franchise to an executive who plans on leaving. I know most just want to ignore this situation but in my opinion Stearns should either be extended now or let go.

If he wants out just let it be and replace him with his old boss Luhnow who is still reponsible for the Astros continued success or John Hart who built two sustained winners in Cleveland and Atlanta. Personally I have no interest in handing the reigns to an unproven Arnold and would like to see either Luhnow or Hart running things if Stearns doesn't want to be here long term. Hopefully Stearns is happy in Milwaukee and wants to stay but if he doesn't the time has come to move on.

[MrTPlush]

43 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

The time has come to discuss the elephant in the room and that is the situation with David Stearns. He has one year left on his contract with the constant and consistent rumors that he is interested in the Mets job.

This has never been said or reported.

Also, the Mets have someone running their organization that they are perfectly happy with and are not looking to replace. So regardless of if Stearns wanted to be with the Mets, it really doesn't matter if the Mets don't need/want him.

[UpandIn]

40 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

The time has come to discuss the elephant in the room and that is the situation with David Stearns. He has one year left on his contract with the constant and consistent rumors that he is interested in the Mets job. The team either needs Stearns to commit long term and sign an extension or he should be allowed to leave now.

We cannot let this guy run the team through the 2023 season knowing he is gone after the year. As professional as he has been we must not trust the future of the franchise to an executive who plans on leaving. I know most just want to ignore this situation but in my opinion Stearns should either be extended now or let go.

If he wants out just let it be and replace him with his old boss Luhnow who is still reponsible for the Astros continued success or John Hart who built two sustained winners in Cleveland and Atlanta. Personally I have no interest in handing the reigns to an unproven Arnold and would like to see either Luhnow or Hart running things if Stearns doesn't want to be here long term. Hopefully Stearns is happy in Milwaukee and wants to stay but if he doesn't the time has come to move on.

There's no need to do anything. 

A-Do you actually know this is his final year? The Brewers have extended Front Office personnel in the past without anyone knowing about it. Most last year didn't know he was under contract through '23.

B-Not having a contract in place doesn't mean he's "gone after the year," just as this POTENTIALLY being his last year didn't mean we needed to do anything last year. 

This could have very easily been his last year. In fact, if he wasn't concerned with what HE felt was best for the Brewers over the long haul, he could have vastly improved his chances by trading Chourio, Frelick...and others to get this team to the NLCS and add players with the short term in mind.

He did the opposite. He was more concerned about this teams long term health than their short term health. So if anything, he's proven he's juuust fine to run this team for another year without acting in anyone's best interest other than the Milwaukee Brewers. 

 

There's no reason to not keep Stearns and if this is the last year of his deal, address it at that point. It's possible the Mets job is no longer available given their success this year. 

 

Also, you said it's "the time has come to discuss...." You've been discussing it all year. 

[DuWayne Steurer]

Rumors that he's interested in the Mets job are just that. Rumors

The Mets have also repeatedly stated that they're pleased with the job of their current GM, BIlly Eppler, and why wouldn't they be, after a 100 win season? Playoff failure aside, a short series loss happens, and the playoffs are a crapshoot, as the Dodgers suffered the same fate, and the Braves (another 100 win team) are also now on the outside looking in.

I think also, a lot of the shine on Stearns wore off this season. I'm not entirely sure the Mets (or any team coming off a successful season) is going to be quick to can their GM to hire a guy who seemingly botched the trade deadline with a 3 game division lead.

I'm 100% sure Attanasio has his finger on the pulse of what he feels and knows is going on with his guys here. It's absolutely interesting for us to discuss the ins and outs and what-ifs (and that's what a message board is for, if nothing else), but at the end of the day, I'm absolutely sure the ownership group knows where they're at with this situation. 

[UpandIn]

5 minutes ago, DuWayne Steurer said:

I'm 100% sure Attanasio has his finger on the pulse of what he feels and knows is going on with his guys here. It's absolutely interesting for us to discuss the ins and outs and what-ifs (and that's what a message board is for, if nothing else), but at the end of the day, I'm absolutely sure the ownership group knows where they're at with this situation. 

This is the more important point. Feels like we can rely on Attanasio and his wealth of experience to make the best decision for the organization. 

[brewers888]

23 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

This has never been said or reported.

Also, the Mets have someone running their organization that they are perfectly happy with and are not looking to replace. So regardless of if Stearns wanted to be with the Mets, it really doesn't matter if the Mets don't need/want him.

The Mets have not hired a president of baseball operations and Eppler is supposedly one of Stearns best friends so the speculation will continue until Stearns contract is extended.

[brewers888]

29 minutes ago, DuWayne Steurer said:

Rumors that he's interested in the Mets job are just that. Rumors

The Mets have also repeatedly stated that they're pleased with the job of their current GM, BIlly Eppler, and why wouldn't they be, after a 100 win season? Playoff failure aside, a short series loss happens, and the playoffs are a crapshoot, as the Dodgers suffered the same fate, and the Braves (another 100 win team) are also now on the outside looking in.

I think also, a lot of the shine on Stearns wore off this season. I'm not entirely sure the Mets (or any team coming off a successful season) is going to be quick to can their GM to hire a guy who seemingly botched the trade deadline with a 3 game division lead.

I'm 100% sure Attanasio has his finger on the pulse of what he feels and knows is going on with his guys here. It's absolutely interesting for us to discuss the ins and outs and what-ifs (and that's what a message board is for, if nothing else), but at the end of the day, I'm absolutely sure the ownership group knows where they're at with this situation. 

I think Stearns has done a poor job since the 2021 trade deadline but overall has been a very good GM. Still I don't think its smart or appropriate for any organization to have their top executive working on an expiring contract so I hope this gets resolved once and for all this offseason.

[MrTPlush]

38 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

The Mets have not hired a president of baseball operations and Eppler is supposedly one of Stearns best friends so the speculation will continue until Stearns contract is extended.

I have explained this to you multiple times before, I don’t know why you continue to bang the same drum and ignore the facts about this.

The opening with the Mets IS NOT for running day to day player operations. It is more for the business side of things…and they are interviewing people with business backgrounds.

In New York the GM is the top guy. Stearns isn’t leaving to go be the #2 guy.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/09/mets-conducting-interviews-for-team-president-sandy-alderson-to-eventually-transition-to-advisory-role.html

[brewers888]

1 hour ago, MrTPlush said:

I have explained this to you multiple times before, I don’t know why you continue to bang the same drum and ignore the facts about this.

The opening with the Mets IS NOT for running day to day player operations. It is more for the business side of things…and they are interviewing people with business backgrounds.

In New York the GM is the top guy. Stearns isn’t leaving to go be the #2 guy.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/09/mets-conducting-interviews-for-team-president-sandy-alderson-to-eventually-transition-to-advisory-role.html

The Alderson position has nothing to do with a possible president of baseball operations hire; they are two completely different positions. The Mets are going to hire someone to handle the business side of things and they will eventually also hire a POBO unless they decide to give Eppler that title which would then mean they would hire someone as a GM to work under him.

So no Sandy Alderson has nothing to do with David Stearns whatsoever. Alderson was hired by Cohen to give him a look of credibility so the other owners would vote in favor of his purchase of the team despite his shaky business dealings.

 

[Brewcrew82]

[Brewcrew82]

Most recent inside info from Robert Murray, who was previously a Brewers beat writer and maintains sources from high inside the organization. Doesn't seem to me like the team is too worried. Stearns' recent public comments have done nothing to indicate otherwise, either. I wouldn't be surprised to hear a contract extension announced sometime this offseason, perhaps within the next couple of weeks. The Mets are very happy with Eppler coming off a 100 win season, and I doubt they'd want to upset that apple cart at this point. 

@brewers888You have persistently perpetuated this conspiracy theory, yet what moves has Stearns made recently which might particularly harm the team in the long-term? If anything, many would accuse him of being too future-oriented after the Hader trade....

[Redd Vencher]

23 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Most recent inside info from Robert Murray, who was previously a Brewers beat writer and maintains sources from high inside the organization. Doesn't seem to me like the team is too worried. Stearns' recent public comments have done nothing to indicate otherwise, either. I wouldn't be surprised to hear a contract extension announced sometime this offseason, perhaps within the next couple of weeks. The Mets are very happy with Eppler coming off a 100 win season, and I doubt they'd want to upset that apple cart at this point. 

You have persistently perpetuated this conspiracy theory, yet what moves has Stearns made which might particularly harm the team in the long-term? If anything, many would accuse him of being too future-oriented after the Hader trade....

Do you have a link to the Robert Murray comments?

[Brewcrew82]

9 minutes ago, Redd Vencher said:

Do you have a link to the Robert Murray comments?

It was in my above post. 

[MrTPlush]

1 hour ago, brewers888 said:

The Alderson position has nothing to do with a possible president of baseball operations hire; they are two completely different positions. The Mets are going to hire someone to handle the business side of things and they will eventually also hire a POBO unless they decide to give Eppler that title which would then mean they would hire someone as a GM to work under him.

So no Sandy Alderson has nothing to do with David Stearns whatsoever. Alderson was hired by Cohen to give him a look of credibility so the other owners would vote in favor of his purchase of the team despite his shaky business dealings.

 

Alright, so you don’t want to read and look at what is reported.

Instead you want to make your own fake rumor quotes about Stearns being interested in the Mets job and create some conspiracy theory that has nothing to back it up.

You are right that they shouldn’t have a lame duck guy running the team. Since we have heard absolutely nothing about the Brewers possibly dumping him I am guessing he is already extended or will be.

[Axman59]

I don't care whether Stearns would like to stay or go. I'd like Jeff Luhnow hired to run baseball operations for the Brewers.

[Brewcrew82]

32 minutes ago, Axman59 said:

I don't care whether Stearns would like to stay or go. I'd like Jeff Luhnow hired to run baseball operations for the Brewers.

If Luhnow were clearly such a better option than Stearns, you think he would've been immediately scooped up within the past couple of offseasons as Hinch and Cora were. Stearns has led us to some of our greatest heights as a franchise and has sustained that success for the most part. There's few, if any, out there who would be able to achieve better given our limited resources. And far more who could achieve worse. 

[UpandIn]

11 hours ago, brewers888 said:

The Alderson position has nothing to do with a possible president of baseball operations hire; they are two completely different positions. The Mets are going to hire someone to handle the business side of things and they will eventually also hire a POBO unless they decide to give Eppler that title which would then mean they would hire someone as a GM to work under him.

So no Sandy Alderson has nothing to do with David Stearns whatsoever. Alderson was hired by Cohen to give him a look of credibility so the other owners would vote in favor of his purchase of the team despite his shaky business dealings.

 

....you need to read the WHOLE article. Not just decide you're right going into it.

 

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None of the specific candidates are yet known, although Martino adds the people currently under consideration primarily come from business backgrounds as opposed to baseball operations careers. No hiring appears imminent, and Alderson is expected to remain team president until a new hire is found, even if that process stretches past the official expiration of his contract.

The team president role is an overhead position, with that individual responsible for impacting both the baseball and business operations of the organization. Alderson is not the team’s day-to-day baseball ops decision-maker, and the incoming hire is not expected to take that role either.

 

 

This was news to me. Looks like Attanasio's decision to block Stearns the past couple years has served the Brewers well. The Mets seem to be in good hands(hands filled with an apparently endless supply of checks from Cohen, but that's baseball). 

[UpandIn]

12 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

If Luhnow were clearly such a better option than Stearns, you think he would've been immediately scooped up within the past couple of offseasons as Hinch and Cora were. Stearns has led us to some of our greatest heights as a franchise and has sustained that success for the most part. There's few, if any, out there who would be able to achieve better given our limited resources. And far more who could achieve worse. 

I watched this team for YEARS reach for high cieling HS arm after another...just hoping they'd hit on a couple. So many guys I was hopeful would develop. Jones, Rogers, Bradley, Arnett, Jungman, Peralta, Braddock, Parra...go back a bit further and Gold, Neugebauer, Sheets(hit). All guys with ace potential, but never realized it.

Whatever they're doing right now in how they evaluate players...just leave it alone. They seem to have changed their ideology offensively(which is going to take a few years to see). Going from more pure toolsy type players like Corey Ray or Monte Harrison to Frelick, Black, Mitchell, Turang...and of course still incorporating those toolsy guys with the upside and questionable hit tools like Weimer, Ward, Gray. They're also turned the Latin American signings and Dominican Summer League teams into real, genuine talent steams rather than hoping, maybe...someone, sometime might develop like Arcia or Peralta(combined 3.8 WAR over ~10 seasons in Milwaukee). 

I haven't loved everything Stearns has done, but I'm fairly certain you could say the same about any GM. He's done an exceptional job turning this team around and building a sustainable system. And so long as he can keep identifying good pitching and they can keep developing it and he wants to be here, what's the issue?

That he might, maybe leave? That applies to any executive. 

[brewers888]

On 10/23/2022 at 2:56 PM, Brewcrew82 said:

Most recent inside info from Robert Murray, who was previously a Brewers beat writer and maintains sources from high inside the organization. Doesn't seem to me like the team is too worried. Stearns' recent public comments have done nothing to indicate otherwise, either. I wouldn't be surprised to hear a contract extension announced sometime this offseason, perhaps within the next couple of weeks. The Mets are very happy with Eppler coming off a 100 win season, and I doubt they'd want to upset that apple cart at this point. 

@brewers888You have persistently perpetuated this conspiracy theory, yet what moves has Stearns made recently which might particularly harm the team in the long-term? If anything, many would accuse him of being too future-oriented after the Hader trade....

You might want to admit I was right but I doubt you will do so.

[brewers888]

On 10/23/2022 at 3:48 PM, MrTPlush said:

Alright, so you don’t want to read and look at what is reported.

Instead you want to make your own fake rumor quotes about Stearns being interested in the Mets job and create some conspiracy theory that has nothing to back it up.

You are right that they shouldn’t have a lame duck guy running the team. Since we have heard absolutely nothing about the Brewers possibly dumping him I am guessing he is already extended or will be.

Turns out I was right. Wish that I wasn't but it was just a matter of time before he left.

[wiguy94]

7 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

Turns out I was right. Wish that I wasn't but it was just a matter of time before he left.

Weird victory lap you are taking when Stearns said Mark wanted him to remain POBO next year and this was entirely Stearn's choice to step down

[brewers888]

1 minute ago, wiguy94 said:

Weird victory lap you are taking when Stearns said Mark wanted him to remain POBO next year and this was entirely Stearn's choice to step down

I said all along that Stearns was waiting it out to take the Mets job. Never once have I said that Attanasio didn't want to keep him around but the fact that he never was extended told you that he wanted out.

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, brewers888 said:

I said all along that Stearns was waiting it out to take the Mets job. Never once have I said that Attanasio didn't want to keep him around but the fact that he never was extended told you that he wanted out.

Your whole post was about Mark needing to let Stearns leave if he didn't want to be extended which according to Stearns isn't what happened. Mark wanted him to be POBO through the end of the contract. Stearn's said it was his choice to step down not Mark's. 

[areacodes]

17 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

Turns out I was right. Wish that I wasn't but it was just a matter of time before he left.

I don’t believe the bolded part for a second.

[brewers888]

3 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Your whole post was about Mark needing to let Stearns leave if he didn't want to be extended which according to Stearns isn't what happened. Mark wanted him to be POBO through the end of the contract. Stearn's said it was his choice to step down not Mark's. 

The point is its obvious that Stearns has wanted out for some time. Attanasio is really stupid for wanting him to stay one last year when the guy wants to go home.