2023 NFL Discussion Thread

[homer]

NFC playoffs should be fun. Philly Detroit and SF makes for some great matchups. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

8 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I'd disagree-- Dallas looks pretty likely to make it to me ....Pittsburgh sucks, but they lead their division, somehow. 

The Rams look pretty competent to me and got Kupp back. I don't know if they'll make the playoffs, but I could see 9-8 and a shot. 

Dallas isn't winning the NFC east (still have lions, dolphins, bills, eagles twice, seahawks, LAR, and Chargers on their schedule), and I think the two wild cards in the NFC are very likely to be Seattle and the 2nd place NFC South or North team.  I think they could squeak in the playoffs but I don't think they're very good, to be honest.

Pittsburgh does suck but that division is always weird...assuming Cincy finally gets things together I don't think the Steelers have enough offense to be a legitimate playoff team.

49ers have an extended stretch of consistently tough opponents/environments over the next two months...If they are a total juggernaut they could actually do the Packers alot of favors in terms of keeping teams like the Vikings, Seahawks, and LAR down in the wildcard standings.

[adambr2]

8 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Dallas isn't winning the NFC east (still have lions, dolphins, bills, eagles twice, seahawks, LAR, and Chargers on their schedule), and I think the two wild cards in the NFC are very likely to be Seattle and the 2nd place NFC South or North team.  I think they could squeak in the playoffs but I don't think they're very good, to be honest.

Pittsburgh does suck but that division is always weird...assuming Cincy finally gets things together I don't think the Steelers have enough offense to be a legitimate playoff team.

49ers have an extended stretch of consistently tough opponents/environments over the next two months...If they are a total juggernaut they could actually do the Packers alot of favors in terms of keeping teams like the Vikings, Seahawks, and LAR down in the wildcard standings.

3 wild cards, not 2...makes a big difference when you get down to the real marginal contenders. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

9 hours ago, adambr2 said:

3 wild cards, not 2...makes a big difference when you get down to the real marginal contenders. 

ah...forgot about that...thanks!

[Fear The Chorizo]

15 hours ago, yourout said:

The Vikes will still likely finish a close. second to the lions.

The Packers will be a very distant 3rd.

I dunno - with MN's schedule, a 1-4 start, and now with Jefferson potentially missing some time with a hamstring injury I don't see that team finishing 0.500 this year

[BrewerFan]

15 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

I dunno - with MN's schedule, a 1-4 start, and now with Jefferson potentially missing some time with a hamstring injury I don't see that team finishing 0.500 this year

Yeah, they are in the worst position of any team in the division. They might still be better than the Bears, but that's just worse for them. They don't have much cap room, Cousins is a FA, Hunter a FA.

So...I feel like he's just trying to talk a little while he still can...and might as well let him.

 

Hey, they do have a GREAT WRer....who will probably get ~35M a year. Kinda like living in a trailer and having a Bugatti in the driveway, but at least they've got that!

[nate82]

On 3/14/2023 at 6:04 AM, OldSchoolSnapper said:

C'mon. That's a huge assumption. It's the NFL. They could make the playoffs this year for all we know. 

Is this still a huge assumption that the Panthers will be a top 10 draft pick in ‘24?

[OldHeidelberg]

3 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

I dunno - with MN's schedule, a 1-4 start, and now with Jefferson potentially missing some time with a hamstring injury I don't see that team finishing 0.500 this year

@Chi where they tend to struggle and then SF at home next 2 games, they are going to need Jefferson to get back quick. Also have Detroit and GB twice and @CIN down the road. They need to go 8-4 to have a shot, not impossible but they are probably closer to trading Cousins at the deadline than the playoffs at this point. I really thought they would pull the upset yesterday and then beat Bears and be right back in at 3-3.

[nate82]

Not sure where to put this but flag football is a possibility as an Olympic game for the 2028 Olympics along with cricket and lacrosse.  I would love to see lacrosse but I’m not holding my breath on that one.

Flag football would be interesting.  

[jerichoholicninja]

I get that it's funny that Sean Payton lost to the Jets (and Hackett) after the dumb things he said this offseason but let's not pretend that Hackett didn't just put on one of the worst head coaching performances of all time last year. And if it wasn't that he's BFF's with Aaron Rodgers it's likely he doesn't have a job in football this year.

[LouisEly]

14 hours ago, adambr2 said:

As much as I hate the 49ers I have to envy what they've built as an organization because they are so far ahead of us (and most others) that it's really hard to even have any realistic Super Bowl aspirations anytime soon. You can pick apart a weakness on basically any team and they just do not have one. 

I guess all I can say is thank goodness they whiffed so badly on Trey Lance and gave up so much to get him because God only knows how they'd look if they hadn't done that. 

They're paying their QBs a grand total of $7M this year.  They've done a good job of identifying talent later in the draft (Warner, Greenlaw, Kittle, etc.), but it's a lot easier to keep and acquire good players when you're paying your QBs $7M and not $47M.  No way they're acquiring all of McCaffrey, Williams, Hargrave, etc., if they're paying a QB $40M.

Right now they're $33M over the 2024 estimated cap, so the party is ending soon.

[CheezWizHed]

I saw the play once and didn't look close enough to form an opinion, but the Chris-Carter-level of whining the state of MN is doing right now makes me wonder:

• Do you think it was pass interference vs the Chiefs yesterday?  
• If yes, anything more egregious than we normally see when a homer (or even The @homer) says "That was holding on my guy!!!"? 

I'm glad I'm working from home today because I'm not sure i could handle the cry-baby level whining I see in social media... woof.

[jerichoholicninja]

I was watching the game while getting dinner ready. As it happened live, I thought to myself well that's DPI and Minnesota should tie it up soon. Turned away for 5 seconds and came back and was surprised to see KC with the ball. If a DB has a hiccup within 5 yards of receiver these days it's an automatic PI. Calls like this is why people think the NFL is rigged. I'm not going to say KC gets the call if the situation was reverse but that's going to be called more often than not and when it goes in favor of one of the NFL's darling teams and essentially wins them the game it doesn't look good.

Of course there's the other issue of the KC defender immediately taking his helmet off and not getting flagged too. Not that it would have made a difference but how can you not call that.

[homer]

I don't think it was DPI. It should have been if the receiver had tried to sell it a little bit.

[Fear The Chorizo]

2 hours ago, LouisEly said:

They're paying their QBs a grand total of $7M this year.  They've done a good job of identifying talent later in the draft (Warner, Greenlaw, Kittle, etc.), but it's a lot easier to keep and acquire good players when you're paying your QBs $7M and not $47M.  No way they're acquiring all of McCaffrey, Williams, Hargrave, etc., if they're paying a QB $40M.

Right now they're $33M over the 2024 estimated cap, so the party is ending soon.

The 49ers' roster has also been bolstered by getting extra draft picks after losing minority assistant coaches/front office people to other teams via a Rooney Rule update in 2020...I'm not sure I really like that formula but it is what it is.  They get multiple years of compensatory 3rd and 5th round picks 2-3 years in a row for Saleh, Ryan, Carthon, and McDaniel leaving frisco.  

If the 49ers are going to win a Super Bowl, it should be this year - they're built for it right now assuming Purdy continues to be an effective distributor of the ball and they don't put too much on him.  Not only does the salary gymnastics start hitting them this coming offseason, they're also going to be getting a little on the old side.

[homer]

Purdy is crazy accurate. It seems like every ball was right on the numbers.

[adambr2]

6 hours ago, LouisEly said:

They're paying their QBs a grand total of $7M this year.  They've done a good job of identifying talent later in the draft (Warner, Greenlaw, Kittle, etc.), but it's a lot easier to keep and acquire good players when you're paying your QBs $7M and not $47M.  No way they're acquiring all of McCaffrey, Williams, Hargrave, etc., if they're paying a QB $40M.

Right now they're $33M over the 2024 estimated cap, so the party is ending soon.

That's the benefit you earn when you don't require all your young presumed future QBs to spend 3 seasons holding a clipboard behind the incumbent starter. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

So, are there any teams in need of a veteran QB to go on a playoff run that have some cap room?  With today's news that Jefferson is out at least the next month for the 1-4 Vikings, I'd imagine they're about to start calling folks in Jets land, ATL, anyone that would answer a call about trading Cousins to get something of value back for next year's draft.  The Packers are going through a retooling year, to be sure...but the Vikings now have a better shot at going from 13 wins to 13 losses in one season compared to contending for a 2nd straight division title with the same core group.

Sure, I can see the Vikings standing pat and then reupping with Cousins this offseason - they will have cap room if they want to go that route - but that is a roster in purgatory at the moment that their fans will look back at their 2022 season and wish they were bad sooner than they're about to be.  I can see Hunter being traded, too - he is having a solid year.

[nate82]

Call me crazy but I think Maye is better than Williams and will be the #1 pick in next years draft.

[BrewerFan]

On 10/10/2023 at 3:53 PM, nate82 said:

Call me crazy but I think Maye is better than Williams and will be the #1 pick in next years draft.

You're crazy😂

 

Seriously though, I'm pretty high on Maye and have said as much on this thread and I think he goes 1-1 9 years out of 10, but I think Williams is just on another level. 

 

The worst case would be Minnesota and Chicago getting Maye and Williams. SUCH a bad year for Chicago and Minnesota to be terrible and have a very good chance at 2 of the top picks. 

[nate82]

On 10/12/2023 at 7:17 PM, BrewerFan said:

Seriously though, I'm pretty high on Maye and have said as much on this thread and I think he goes 1-1 9 years out of 10, but I think Williams is just on another level. 

Ehhh Williams is not looking all that good today some extremely bad passes and decisions.

[BrewerFan]

On 10/14/2023 at 8:57 PM, nate82 said:

Ehhh Williams is not looking all that good today some extremely bad passes and decisions.

Sure...but as I said before, I really think the College game is almost not enough of a challenge for him. I realize that sounds stupid in this context, but he made all the right decisions his Fresh year, most of last year and then he started trying to extend plays and he's passed up that 8 yard slant on 2nd and 4 and tries to get that big play down the field.

Edit-think, not thank.
Think Rodgers during his struggles.

 

His OL was overmatched, his team was just not as good(Alt(LT), Fischer(RT), Estime(RB), are all exciting and played really well, but it was that defensive front that just dominated the game. And still, Williams was bouncing around.

 

He played undisciplined, he got them out of the game and it snowballed, but the way he can throw from every platform, the way he can throw on the run...he threw a ball for a 4 yard completion that was incredible. Had a big edge in his face on a naket boot, and he throw the ball almost like a submariner and got it under and around him, hit his guy in stride from ~10 yards away. Even though it was a minimal gain, it was an impressive play.

 

But sure, he was bad today. He also came into today with nearly 1000 drop back pass attempts and he'd thrown a total of 10 picks. So I don't know how much weight I'd put in a single game vs a career of excellence(including a Heisman). 

[HarryDoyle]

Will Tyson Bagent lead the Bears to a comeback win? That blocked extra point is looming large.

[HarryDoyle]

Guess not.

[young guns]

Is SF trying to lose?  Only using 30 seconds on that 3 and out where they pass 3 times.