2023-24 Bucks Season Thread

[BrewerFan]

2 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

They beat us 4 out of 5 times with Giannis. Why would you think it would be different this time?

Because I watched the games.

I don't care about their regular season record before Christmas, without one of the top 2-3 players in the NBA, it took the Pacers 6 games, one an OT game with like 5 straight offensive boards to beat the Bucks. That's also with Lillard not playing at his best, but setting that aside...they're not beating the Bucks in the playoffs with Giannis. I don't think the Pacers are making it to a 6th game with Giannis. 

If you're just going by the regular season, that'd probably mean you think the Bucks would beat Boston? They were...IIRC, 2-2, but beat them badly while Boston won a couple one-possession games.

The Playoffs is different and Giannis' impact would have been enormous. 

[LouisEly]

On 5/3/2024 at 7:05 AM, SomewhereInTime said:

As the second #8 seed to ever do so, neither won the finals.  In hockey I agree, just get in, far more variance in that sport.  In baseball too since every postseason series is pretty close to 50/50.  In the history of the NBA, two teams that finished 4th or lower in their conference have won the finals.

The Western Conference finals are a 3 seed and a 5 seed (and the 5 seed just won the first two games on the road).  Eastern Conference is a 1 and a 6.

Just need to get in.

[SomewhereInTime]

4 hours ago, LouisEly said:

The Western Conference finals are a 3 seed and a 5 seed (and the 5 seed just won the first two games on the road).  Eastern Conference is a 1 and a 6.

Just need to get in.

Ok and the champion is very likely to be the #1 overall team Boston.  Also in the East there was only a 3 game difference between #2 and #6

[homer]

In 51 of the 77 NBA Finals played, the Champion has been one of the two number 1 seeds that year. That is 66.2% of the Finals. And if you take into account the seeds 1, 2 and 3, they total the 97.4% of the Champions. Only 2 titles were won by a team with a 4 seed or higher.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/championships/champions_by_seed.htm

[CheezWizHed]

7 hours ago, homer said:

In 51 of the 77 NBA Finals played, the Champion has been one of the two number 1 seeds that year. That is 66.2% of the Finals. And if you take into account the seeds 1, 2 and 3, they total the 97.4% of the Champions. Only 2 titles were won by a team with a 4 seed or higher.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/championships/champions_by_seed.htm

And zero % of the teams not making the playoffs won the finals...  😉😂

[OldSchoolSnapper]

On 5/25/2024 at 1:49 AM, SomewhereInTime said:

Ok and the champion is very likely to be the #1 overall team Boston.  Also in the East there was only a 3 game difference between #2 and #6

The East playoffs were terrible. I think Boston would have made it anyway, but the injuries made the whole thing a waste of time. It appears BOS will cakewalk, but Dallas seems to have that hot hand going for them.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

On 5/25/2024 at 9:24 AM, homer said:

In 51 of the 77 NBA Finals played, the Champion has been one of the two number 1 seeds that year. That is 66.2% of the Finals. And if you take into account the seeds 1, 2 and 3, they total the 97.4% of the Champions. Only 2 titles were won by a team with a 4 seed or higher.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/championships/champions_by_seed.htm

You can see a break from the trend in recent history though. It goes from happening just about every year to 2 out of the last 6. One of those being a Covid bubble year and both of them being against a 5th and 8th seed. There has definitely been a shift in the NBA where teams are placing less emphasis on their seed and are content to just qualify as 3 or 4  if it means resting their stars. That didn't used to happen.

[homer]

3 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

You can see a break from the trend in recent history though. It goes from happening just about every year to 2 out of the last 6. One of those being a Covid bubble year and both of them being against a 5th and 8th seed. There has definitely been a shift in the NBA where teams are placing less emphasis on their seed and are content to just qualify as 3 or 4  if it means resting their stars. That didn't used to happen.

There's a big difference between a handful of teams winning a title as a 3 seed to "just gotta get in the playoffs". I'd be willing to bet a decent sum of money that it will be a long time before a team lower than 4 wins it all.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 hour ago, homer said:

There's a big difference between a handful of teams winning a title as a 3 seed to "just gotta get in the playoffs". I'd be willing to bet a decent sum of money that it will be a long time before a team lower than 4 wins it all.

I would agree, but that was never my argument though it was someone else's. I think it is definitely the case though that the playoffs used to be all but a waste of time to watch. You pretty much knew the CF would be 1 vs 2 or 3. It's not quite like that anymore. The last few teams in are usually not very good, but I don't think teams obsess over HC like it felt like they used to.

[BrewerFan]

12 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I would agree, but that was never my argument though it was someone else's. I think it is definitely the case though that the playoffs used to be all but a waste of time to watch. You pretty much knew the CF would be 1 vs 2 or 3. It's not quite like that anymore. The last few teams in are usually not very good, but I don't think teams obsess over HC like it felt like they used to.

I think you're right to a degree. As I understood your point, it was that the BUCKS just have to get in and get in healthy and they have a chance in the future. 

Even Boston without KP...the Bucks would have been a problem for them if they were healthy.

I agree with your point(assuming this is your point) that the focus needs to be more on lightening the workload, getting the young guys more minutes. Hopefully, there will be two more contributors.

Once Tatum and Brown get a chip(if they get a chip) I think they're going to be even more dangerous and tough to beat. This could be the stat of a Celtic run where they get 2-3 chips in the next 4-5 years. I just want to see the Bucks squeeze in there and get one more. 

[nate82]

Welcome back Darvin Ham!

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10124243-nba-rumors-ex-lakers-hc-darvin-ham-joining-doc-rivers-bucks-staff-as-top-assistant

[homer]

Light it up! Light it up!

[patrickgpe]

On 6/10/2024 at 11:47 AM, nate82 said:

Welcome back Darvin Ham!

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10124243-nba-rumors-ex-lakers-hc-darvin-ham-joining-doc-rivers-bucks-staff-as-top-assistant

Here is the concern. Doc and Ham never worked together and now he has leap frogged all other assistants to be the top guy. It may be OK. Now there is a guy like Joerger who has experience with Doc and was also a coach not getting that role. Also still most of the assistants were brought in by Griffin. Its definitely not typical for NBA benches. 

[nate82]

40 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

Here is the concern. Doc and Ham never worked together and now he has leap frogged all other assistants to be the top guy. It may be OK. Now there is a guy like Joerger who has experience with Doc and was also a coach not getting that role. Also still most of the assistants were brought in by Griffin. Its definitely not typical for NBA benches. 

If the team sucks or is not playing well then Ham is the next head coach.  I think the Bucks wanted Ham to replace Bud but it was a year too soon when he left to be the Lakers head coach.

[patrickgpe]

1 minute ago, nate82 said:

If the team sucks or is not playing well then Ham is the next head coach.  I think the Bucks wanted Ham to replace Bud but it was a year too soon when he left to be the Lakers head coach.

i loved Ham when he was a player here. But he did nothing in LA to warrant a coach in waiting status. 

[nate82]

5 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

i loved Ham when he was a player here. But he did nothing in LA to warrant a coach in waiting status. 

I don’t think that really matters to the Bucks.  They were and are still really high on him.  I think he is in their A list of head coaching candidates.