Rumor: Top 50 Trade Candidates - Who Interests You?

[Jopal78]

On 7/8/2023 at 10:27 AM, Brock Beauchamp said:

It will take a lot to get Robert but I think there's a semi-decent chance the White Sox blow up the roster at the deadline. There just isn't much mid- or long-term hope for them at this point.

No, Robert is under control through 2027, at a total cost of $67 million.

Surely, the White Sox will sell off what short term pieces they can later this month, and I suppose in the purest sense every player on every is available at the right price.

However, an All-Star CFer (4.1 bwar through 90 games) with a contract like Roberts’, the Brewers don’t have enough blue chippers to interest the White Sox in trade. 

Also keep in mind, the Sox have a good number of players under contract/control for at least 3 more years: Robert, Jimenez, Moancada, Vaughn, Burger, Cease, Crochet that’s too much talent for a team to “blow it up” and start over. 

[Brewcrew82]

24 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

No, Robert is under control through 2027, at a total cost of $67 million.

Surely, the White Sox will sell off what short term pieces they can later this month, and I suppose in the purest sense every player on every is available at the right price.

However, an All-Star CFer (4.1 bwar through 90 games) with a contract like Roberts’, the Brewers don’t have enough blue chippers to interest the White Sox in trade. 

Also keep in mind, the Sox have a good number of players under contract/control for at least 3 more years: Robert, Jimenez, Moancada, Vaughn, Burger, Cease, Crochet that’s too much talent for a team to “blow it up” and start over. 

For someone who says they don't follow the minor leagues, I don't know why you're making the declaration that the Brewers don't have the blue chippers to get a deal for Robert done. They do in fact between Chourio, Quero, Misiorowski, Frelick, Black, etc. It's just a matter of whether the Brewers would part with those pieces. I don't know if I would. 

[KeithStone53151]

One fun, cheap idea if the Cardinals are willing to play ball would be to trade for O'Neill. He's really talented, and I suspect part of his issues this season relate to bad management. I remember him getting called out for not running the bases hard enough. If there's bad blood with him and the organization, there's some added motivation we'll say...for a bounce back second half.

[nate82]

5 minutes ago, KeithStone53151 said:

One fun, cheap idea if the Cardinals are willing to play ball would be to trade for O'Neill. He's really talented, and I suspect part of his issues this season relate to bad management. I remember him getting called out for not running the bases hard enough. If there's bad blood with him and the organization, there's some added motivation we'll say...for a bounce back second half.

The Yankees have been linked to O’Neil going all the way back to last years deadline when they traded for Bader.  I wouldn’t be surprised if he is traded to the Yankees either at the deadline or in the offseason.  

[Jopal78]

21 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

For someone who says they don't follow the minor leagues, I don't know why you're making the declaration that the Brewers don't have the blue chippers to get a deal for Robert done. They do in fact between Chourio, Quero, Misiorowski, Frelick, Black, etc. It's just a matter of whether the Brewers would part with those pieces. I don't know if I would. 

I think fans on this site, not unexpectedly, value Brewer prospects than most other sources do.
 

Maybe outside Chourio, most of the players you cite have legitimate concerns about their game: Frelick-lack of major league power, Misiorowski-lack of major league command, Black- fringy major league arm, lack of MLB caliber power. Face it, none of these guys are blue chippers in the vein of players like De La Cruz , Kris Bryant, Carroll, Bryce Harper where the only question is how big a star they would be in the majors. 

This  is why most of the pundits rank their system in the middle of the pack: lack of impact talent close to the majors and lack of overall depth. Lets not forget, less than a year ago Brice Turang was one of their top prospects (a player so far looks like a slick fielding no hit infielder), 

Point is: even if Rick Hahn inexplicably decided to trade Robert, he would have much better packages of players to choose from than anything the Brewers could muster.

 

[Brewcrew82]

8 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

I think fans on this site, not unexpectedly, value Brewer prospects than most other sources do.
 

Maybe outside Chourio, most of the players you cite have legitimate concerns about their game: Frelick-lack of major league power, Misiorowski-lack of major league command, Black- fringy major league arm, lack of MLB caliber power. Face it, none of these guys are blue chippers in the vein of players like De La Cruz , Kris Bryant, Carroll, Bryce Harper where the only question is how big a star they would be in the majors. 

This  is why most of the pundits rank their system in the middle of the pack: lack of impact talent close to the majors and lack of overall depth. Lets not forget, less than a year ago Brice Turang was one of their top prospects (a player so far looks like a slick fielding no hit infielder), 

Point is: even if Rick Hahn inexplicably decided to trade Robert, he would have much better packages of players to choose from than anything the Brewers could muster.

 

Chourio is literally a consensus top 5 prospect in the game. That's blue-chip. He almost gets you to Robert's surplus value on his own. 

And then there's Quero, Misiorowski, Frelick, Black, etc. all of whom are rated as top 100 prospects. Not in Brewers' fan lists, but in industry lists.

You've said multiple times you don't follow the minor leagues particularly close, but now you're acting like an expert?

[KeithStone53151]

10 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

I think fans on this site, not unexpectedly, value Brewer prospects than most other sources do.
 

Maybe outside Chourio, most of the players you cite have legitimate concerns about their game: Frelick-lack of major league power, Misiorowski-lack of major league command, Black- fringy major league arm, lack of MLB caliber power. Face it, none of these guys are blue chippers in the vein of players like De La Cruz , Kris Bryant, Carroll, Bryce Harper where the only question is how big a star they would be in the majors. 

This  is why most of the pundits rank their system in the middle of the pack: lack of impact talent close to the majors and lack of overall depth. Lets not forget, less than a year ago Brice Turang was one of their top prospects (a player so far looks like a slick fielding no hit infielder), 

Point is: even if Rick Hahn inexplicably decided to trade Robert, he would have much better packages of players to choose from than anything the Brewers could muster.

 

One other aspect to consider, every team values prospects differently and certainly have a better feel for success than prospect guru's do...and much better than any of us. Look no further than the catcher trade over the winter. The A's must have valued Ruiz incredibly high to make that trade.

Also your viewpoints on blue chip prospects is severely flawed. By the time the guys you referenced hit AA/AAA, they were literally untouchable. By that point, every team can see the makings of a superstar and wouldn't trade them for anything. I'd argue Harper/Bryant would have never been realistically traded for anything from the day they were drafted. You aren't wrong that none of our prospects are the same caliber of prospects as some of the best prospects in the history of baseball...it doesn't mean they aren't viable options in a trade for Robert. Of the three holes you poked in our prospects, the only really fair one is Frelick. Black won't necessarily need an average mlb caliber arm to make a big impact at the mlb level...and virtually all 21 year olds don't have mlb caliber command, especially 21 year olds that can hit triple digits. If Misiorowski had mlb caliber command today, I don't think we'd trade him for Robert straight up.

[Brewcrew82]

10 minutes ago, KeithStone53151 said:

One other aspect to consider, every team values prospects differently and certainly have a better feel for success than prospect guru's do...and much better than any of us. Look no further than the catcher trade over the winter. The A's must have valued Ruiz incredibly high to make that trade.

Also your viewpoints on blue chip prospects is severely flawed. By the time the guys you referenced hit AA/AAA, they were literally untouchable. By that point, every team can see the makings of a superstar and wouldn't trade them for anything. I'd argue Harper/Bryant would have never been realistically traded for anything from the day they were drafted. You aren't wrong that none of our prospects are the same caliber of prospects as some of the best prospects in the history of baseball...it doesn't mean they aren't viable options in a trade for Robert. Of the three holes you poked in our prospects, the only really fair one is Frelick. Black won't necessarily need an average mlb caliber arm to make a big impact at the mlb level...and virtually all 21 year olds don't have mlb caliber command, especially 21 year olds that can hit triple digits. If Misiorowski had mlb caliber command today, I don't think we'd trade him for Robert straight up.

Consensus top 5 prospects such as Chourio aren't even traded and are generally considered to be untouchable. The only recent example I can think of is Yoan Moncada when he was dealt as the main piece of the Chris Sale trade. 

[Jopal78]

51 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Chourio is literally a consensus top 5 prospect in the game. That's blue-chip. He almost gets you to Robert's surplus value on his own. 

And then there's Quero, Misiorowski, Frelick, Black, etc. all of whom are rated as top 100 prospects. Not in Brewers' fan lists, but in industry lists.

You've said multiple times you don't follow the minor leagues particularly close, but now you're acting like an expert?

You’re right I don’t put much stock in prospect lists because they’re junk.  For example, tomorrow 30 or so players in current top 100 lists will magically be 30 dropped from those lists despite no causal action or inaction by the player. Rather names need to be cleared to make room for the amateur players who were just drafted in the first round and have yet to play a professional inning. 
 

I’m certainly not an expert on the minor leagues because I don’t really care about it  or have time for it. I do know a team is lucky if 1 or 2 players on a Top 20 list become  notable major league players. I read articles from major publications written by folks who have actually seen these players in person multiple times.
 

I just don’t put value in what somebody writes based on a player’s draft position, video compilation clips, and stat sheets. .
 

In the context of the players I mentioned previously those are opinion statements from journalists who have actually seen the players play and are probably more true than not. 

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

You’re right I don’t put much stock in prospect lists because they’re junk.  For example, tomorrow 30 or so players in current top 100 lists will magically be 30 dropped from those lists despite no causal action or inaction by the player. Rather names need to be cleared to make room for the amateur players who were just drafted in the first round and have yet to play a professional inning. 
 

I’m certainly not an expert on the minor leagues because I don’t really care about it  or have time for it. I do know a team is lucky if 1 or 2 players on a Top 20 list become  notable major league players. I read articles from major publications written by folks who have actually seen these players in person multiple times.
 

I just don’t put value in what somebody writes based on a player’s draft position, video compilation clips, and stat sheets. .
 

In the context of the players I mentioned previously those are opinion statements from journalists who have actually seen the players play and are probably more true than not. 

Yeah, I don't put much stock in prospect lists, but I'm going to put stock in "opinion statements" from journalists (Keith Law? BA?) who literally come up with those lists...

That's quite the take. 

[Jopal78]

3 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Yeah, I don't put much stock in prospect lists, but I'm going to put stock in "opinion statements" from journalists (Keith Law? BA?) who literally come up with those lists...

That's quite the take. 

You think every team has 20  minor league players who have a realistic shot at becoming notable major leaguers?
 

If you do, there’s no reason to discuss the matter further. 

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, Jopal78 said:

You think every team has 20  minor league players who have a realistic shot at the major leagues for the first time? 
 

If you do, there’s no reason to discuss the matter further. 

Of course not. But what the heck does that have to do with the Brewers having the prospect capital for Luis Robert? 

You put Chourio on the table, and I can guarantee you the White Sox will start to listen. You add Quero, Frelick, Misiorowski, etc. to that table in addition (not that I would) and the White Sox would have a very hard time saying no. These guys are all established by industry experts (not Brewers fans) as being among the top 100 prospects in the game, top 5 in Chourio's case. 

[Jopal78]

Just now, Brewcrew82 said:

Of course not. But what the heck does that have to do with the Brewers having the prospect capital for Luis Robert? 

You put Chourio on the table, and I can guarantee you the White Sox will start to listen. You add Quero, Frelick, Misiorowski, etc. to that table in addition (not that I would) and the White Sox would have a very hard time saying no. These guys are all established by industry experts (not Brewers fans) as being among the top 100 prospects in the game, top 5 in Chourio's case. 

Pointing to a list again, they’re meaningless like a best dressed at the Oscars list. 

In fact all the comments I originally made about Frelick Misorowski and Black which you disagreed with most of, were in fact made by Keith Law, so what’s that tell you.

Anyways, Robert has an bwar of 4.1 at the All-Star break, they’re not going to trade him. Even assuming for the purpose of argument they did, the Sox would in fact get those “can’t miss prospects” offered in return, the very type of prospects the Brewers simply don’t have enough of. 

[Brewcrew82]

23 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Pointing to a list again, they’re meaningless like a best dressed at the Oscars list. 

In fact all the comments I originally made about Frelick Misorowski and Black which you disagreed with most of, were in fact made by Keith Law, so what’s that tell you.

Anyways, Robert has an bwar of 4.1 at the All-Star break, they’re not going to trade him. Even assuming for the purpose of argument they did, the Sox would in fact get those “can’t miss prospects” offered in return, the very type of prospects the Brewers simply don’t have enough of. 

I'm pretty sure I never disagreed with the individual prospect comments. I disagreed with your declaration the Brewers don't have the prospect capital to acquire Robert. 

I'm still struggling to understand how you think prospect lists are "garbage", but place so much stock into "opinions" made by the very people who devise those lists and whose opinions are translated onto those lists. 

Chourio, by consensus, is as good as it gets prospect-wise in the game. Right there with De la Cruz, Holiday, Meyer, Lawlar, etc.. The type that are considered "blue-chip, untouchable, etc. White Sox, if they were willing to trade Robert, wouldn't be able to get better. 

[Redd Vencher]

7 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Consensus top 5 prospects such as Chourio aren't even traded and are generally considered to be untouchable. The only recent example I can think of is Yoan Moncada when he was dealt as the main piece of the Chris Sale trade. 

Gabriel Moreno was traded this last offseason.

[wallus]

The Brewers absolutely have the prospect capital to trade for Robert if they want to. Chourio and Quero or Misio get it done no question. This is an above average farm system with top level talent.

[rickh150]

On 7/9/2023 at 2:34 PM, edfunderburk said:

I still marvel at how Robin Yount only played 64 minor league games before becoming the Brewers starting SS at age 18 (back in 1974) - that is truly amazing!

Yount didn’t hit either…the first three seasons were really meh.

[Scooterfletcher]

Robert for Gasser Frelick Brown and Small should pique interest at least

[Scooterfletcher]

Id love to get Hader back for something like moore small and Valerio if it’d work 

[Playing Catch]

12 hours ago, rickh150 said:

Yount didn’t hit either…the first three seasons were really meh.

Also, if you plan to look at his defensive record, you may want to sit down first.

[jay87shot]

Justin Turner and Jeimer Candelario would be at the top of my list. 

I would try and find ways to trade some of our guys on the 40 man who are seemingly on the way out. 

Turner for Tyrone Taylor, Ethan Small/Janson Junk, and Gregory Barrios

Candelario for Peter Strezlecki/Janson Junk, Abraham Toro, and Jeison Pena

Each trade clears up 40 man roster space and improves our lineup without gicing ip meaningful future pieces. The other team 2 young controllable player with some mlb experience for this season and beyond and a lotto type prospect.

1) Yeli, 2) Turner, 3) Candyman, 4) Adames (if he continues to hit), 5) Contreras. 

That actually sounds like a decent 1-5 and we could make a swing at a decent DH/1B still.

 

[jay87shot]

I can't see us getting Alonso or Goldschmidt at the deadline. However I could see a Burnes for Goldy based deal working in the offseason. The Cards needs pitching we need a bat, we could maybe extend Goldy for 2/50 through 2026 and the Cards could give Burnes a massive 8/260 style extension. 

I doubt Alonso moves anywhere, the Mets have lots of money coming of the books between this year and next. The Mets fans love him and have plenty of money to extend him.

[jay87shot]

On the value of our prospects.

1) Chourio is still a top 5 prospect, even though his ba isn't great he still has incredibly high potential, he just might not debut until the end of 24' (at 20) which is fine. There are probably only a couple dozen players in the league he would be traded for and I doubt any of those guys are available.

2)Quero and Misi at this point are widely undervalued, come next year they will both likely be around the top 30. So trading them at a lower value wouldn't make sense.

3) Frelick and Black are probably our 2 most likely to be traded prospects.  I really don't want to trade them unless we are getting a top notch player with control. 

I like a 2025 lineup of C Quero/Contreras 1B Yeli/trade, 2B Black, SS Turang, 3B Wilken, 4 man OF Weimer, Chourio, Mitchell, Frelick, DH Contreras, Yeli, 4th OF way to much to sell on Black or Frelick for a short term bat.

[Brewcrew82]

2 hours ago, jay87shot said:

Justin Turner and Jeimer Candelario would be at the top of my list. 

I would try and find ways to trade some of our guys on the 40 man who are seemingly on the way out. 

Turner for Tyrone Taylor, Ethan Small/Janson Junk, and Gregory Barrios

Candelario for Peter Strezlecki/Janson Junk, Abraham Toro, and Jeison Pena

Each trade clears up 40 man roster space and improves our lineup without gicing ip meaningful future pieces. The other team 2 young controllable player with some mlb experience for this season and beyond and a lotto type prospect.

1) Yeli, 2) Turner, 3) Candyman, 4) Adames (if he continues to hit), 5) Contreras. 

That actually sounds like a decent 1-5 and we could make a swing at a decent DH/1B still.

 

The selling teams are going to want future pieces and not just our retreads or castoffs.

[nate82]

I think this is a closer trade for Candelario but it will depend on who the Nationals like.  I don't think teams will be willing to go for anything above $6m in value for Candelario.  Maybe there is a GM out there who is desperate but I don't think Candelario would be that player.  At most you are looking at $8m in value but I think anything over $6m in value is an extreme overpay for Candelario.

 

I think Barlow is the relief pitcher the Brewers go after but I am not sure who they would trade for him.  I think Urias may also be traded during the deadline this year and that team is probably the Rockies as they do dumb things all the time plus they kind of owe the NL Central for giving away Arenado for nothing to the Cardinals.