Rockies (Lambert) vs Brewers (Peralta): 8/7/23, 7:10pm

[Brewcrew82]

9 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Nah. I'm going to call out nonsensical stuff like benching your second best player when you are starved for offense. Your explanation doesn't make it better. At all.

Second best player? Did William Contreras die? 

For as good as Frelick is, he only had a .655 OPS against LHP in the minors this year. Wiemer, conversely, has a .931 OPS vs. LHP in the MAJOR leagues. Also, I'm pretty sure he played in that game anyways and knocked in the tying run. 

[Bulldogboy]

Just now, Brewcrew82 said:

Second best player? Did William Contreras die? 

For as good as Frelick is, he only had a .655 OPS against LHP in the minors this year. Wiemer has a .931 OPS in the MAJOR leagues. Also, I'm pretty sure he played in that game anyways and knocked in the tying run. 

Exactly. Thanks. You made my point. You need him to play. Again if you want Wiemer in there fine just don't pull the kid.

[BruisedCrew]

8 minutes ago, Oxy said:

Too bad we scored so many runs tonight we didn't need them.

That’s what can happen against the worst pitchers on a bad team. 
 

I get more enthusiastic about putting up 4 or 5 runs or more on a somewhat consistent basis than throwing up double digits in one game and following it up with a few duds. 

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Exactly. Thanks. You made my point. You need him to play. Again if you want Wiemer in there fine just don't pull the kid.

How so? 

Wiemer is an elite hitter against LHP, so you're not taking him out. Tyrone Taylor, who played RF, has a career OPS vs. LHP in the majors of .725, which is a lot better than Frelick's in the minors this year. DH wasn't an option either that night as Contreras needed to be in the lineup with Caratini catching Burnes. 

They're playing him fine. 

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[folly412]

Can Adames sit tomorrow too?

[Bulldogboy]

8 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

How so? 

Wiemer is an elite hitter against LHP, so you're not taking him out. Tyrone Taylor, who played RF, has a career OPS vs. LHP in the majors of .725, which is a lot better than Frelick's in the minors this year. DH wasn't an option either that night as Contreras needed to be in the lineup with Caratini catching Burnes. 

They're playing him fine. 

Nope. You are wrong on this. I am right. Calling Wiemer an elite hitter is interesting. That said if you rather make Frelick a platoon guy that's cool. Not me. We will see tomorrow against a lefty what Counsell does.

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Nope. You are wrong on this. I am right. 

Well, you were already wrong about him being our 2nd best player.

Where would you have put him? You don't think a .655 OPS against LHP means anything compared to the other options that were available to CC?

[BrewerFan]

27 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Fact. That's what happens when you question Counsell though. It's nonsense. 

He's played every game since he's been called up. I'm not really seeing the issue. 

"That's what happens when you question Counsell?"

Who has questioned him and what is what happens? 

[Brewcrew82]

7 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Nope. You are wrong on this. I am right. Calling Wiemer an elite hitter is interesting. That said if you rather make Frelick a platoon guy that's cool. Not me. We will see tomorrow against a lefty what Counsell does.

Saying I said Wiemer is an elite hitter is interesting. 

[Bulldogboy]

7 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Where would you have put him? You don't think a .655 OPS against LHP means anything compared to the other options that were available to CC?

In my opinion the development of Sal Frelick given his status and tools is worth more than given 3 ab to Canha or Taylor. I want him to play every day until he shows he can't. What's next Chourio gets called up and platoons with Frelick so they both ease into things and Wiemer stays in there. Play the best players every night and you win. Counsell is watching Adames every night and he writes his name on the card 50 games in a row. 

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

In my opinion the development of Sal Frelick given his status and tools is worth more than given 3 ab to Canha or Taylor. I want him to play every day until he shows he can't. What's next Chourio gets called up and platoons with Frelick so they both ease into things and Wiemer stays in there. Plat the best players every night and you win. Counsell is watching Adames every night and he writes his name on the card 50 games in a row. 

Counsell is also trying to win games in the here and now, and has to make the decisions that he believe will maximize the team's run-scoring potential. 

Frelick is not going to be a strict platoon bat. I can pretty much guarantee you that. 

[Bulldogboy]

1 minute ago, Bulldogboy said:

In my opinion the development of Sal Frelick given his status and tools is worth more than given 3 ab to Canha or Taylor. I want him to play every day until he shows he can't. What's next Chourio gets called up and platoons with Frelick so they both ease into things and Wiemer stays in there. Play the best players every night and you win. Counsell is watching Adames every night and he writes his name on the card 50 games in a row. 

According to you I guess against a lefty starter Frelick is not one of the 4 best options in the spots you have on a team that is fighting for it's life just to score. I find that incredible. 

[areacodes]

3 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

In my opinion the development of Sal Frelick given his status and tools is worth more than given 3 ab to Canha or Taylor. I want him to play every day until he shows he can't. What's next Chourio gets called up and platoons with Frelick so they both ease into things and Wiemer stays in there. Play the best players every night and you win. Counsell is watching Adames every night and he writes his name on the card 50 games in a row. 

Frelick has started 13 of the 16 games he’s been up for and played in all of them.

For somebody who knows so much more than everybody else, how is that considered platooning?

[Bulldogboy]

1 minute ago, areacodes said:

Frelick has started 13 of the 16 games he’s been up for and played in all of them.

For somebody who knows so much more than everybody else, how is that considered platooning?

He had until last night one ab against a lefty. He has sat every time a lefty has started. That is the definition. 

[Brewcrew82]

6 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

According to you I guess against a lefty starter Frelick is not one of the 4 best options in the spots you have on a team that is fighting for it's life just to score. I find that incredible. 

Except CC was limited by the fact that Burnes was starting and Caratini is his personal catcher. Otherwise, he would've probably moved Yelich to DH, and Frelick would've been in the OF. 

It's a higher priority to get William Contreras in the lineup than Frelick. 

Let's just relax considering Frelick is not even 20 games into his MLB career. I think he'll get end up getting his fair share of ABs against LHP. 

[Bulldogboy]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Except CC was limited by the fact that Burnes was starting and Caratini is his personal catcher. Otherwise, he would've probably moved Yelich to DH. 

It's a higher priority to get William Contreras in the lineup than Frelick. 

So your take is it's really more important to have Tyrone Taylor in the outfield against lefties instead of Frelick. Ok. You and I will agree to disagree. No problem. We will see what happens tomorrow. 

[BrewerFan]

3 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Saying I said Wiemer is an elite hitter is interesting. 

Gawd is this a ridiculous argument. This is ALL over starting Wiemer and Taylor in the OF vs a lefty one game? On a night we won 12-1...this is what we're whining about on the Game Thread?

And it's all because Counsell is petty and was questioned?

 

Again, Game Threads...where you go when you NEED to be miserable!

 

LOL...Frelick is a really nice hitter. I'm a huge fan and I have been for a while. The "best hitting prospect since Molitor or Braun though," that's a pretty short memory as well. Prince? Pretty good hitter. Obviously just before Braun.

Hiura was also just a better hitter as a rookie.

.303/.368/.570   .938 OPS and 19 HRs, 49 RBIs in roughly half a season.

 

Can't we just be happy that Frelick is up, hitting well? Why does this have to turn into a pissing contest over not starting...what, twice since he came up? And the last game both Taylor and Wiemer went 1-2?

The kid has been up for ~16 games and twice he came in around the 6th or 7th...and this is a problem? 

Also, NEVER saw anyone claim Wiemer was an "elite hitter." I DID see someone say he was an elite hitter vs LHPing...and he is.

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

So your take is it's really more important to have Tyrone Taylor in the outfield against lefties instead of Frelick. Ok. You and I will agree to disagree. No problem. We will see what happens tomorrow. 

When Tyrone Taylor has been better in his major league career against LHP than Frelick was in the minors this year, you can see why he did it. 

I don't think Frelick will be used as a strict platoon bat. Let's calm down and give it time. Because Frelick has been outstanding with the way CC is using him. 

[Bulldogboy]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

When Tyrone Taylor has been better in his major league career against LHP than Frelick was in the minors this year, you can see why he did it. 

I don't think Frelick will be used as a strict platoon bat. Let's calm down and give it time. Because Frelick has been outstanding with the way CC is using him. 

Like I said if he's in there tomorrow great. If he's not it's a problem. 

[Bulldogboy]

4 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Gawd is this a ridiculous argument. This is ALL over starting Wiemer and Taylor in the OF vs a lefty one game? On a night we won 12-1...this is what we're whining about on the Game Thread?

And it's all because Counsell is petty and was questioned?

 

Again, Game Threads...where you go when you NEED to be miserable!

 

LOL...Frelick is a really nice hitter. I'm a huge fan and I have been for a while. The "best hitting prospect since Molitor or Braun though," that's a pretty short memory as well. Prince? Pretty good hitter. Obviously just before Braun.

Hiura was also just a better hitter as a rookie.

.303/.368/.570   .938 OPS and 19 HRs, 49 RBIs in roughly half a season.

 

Can't we just be happy that Frelick is up, hitting well? Why does this have to turn into a pissing contest over not starting...what, twice since he came up? And the last game both Taylor and Wiemer went 1-2?

The kid has been up for ~16 games and twice he came in around the 6th or 7th...and this is a problem? 

Also, NEVER saw anyone claim Wiemer was an "elite hitter." I DID see someone say he was an elite hitter vs LHPing...and he is.

You just took 20 minutes to respond to something that had nothing to do with you so evidently you care quite a bit more than most. 

[BrewerFan]

19 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

In my opinion the development of Sal Frelick given his status and tools is worth more than given 3 ab to Canha or Taylor. I want him to play every day until he shows he can't. What's next Chourio gets called up and platoons with Frelick so they both ease into things and Wiemer stays in there. Play the best players every night and you win. Counsell is watching Adames every night and he writes his name on the card 50 games in a row. 

No, I'd guess not. Primarily because Chourio has been outstanding in the minors vs both Lefties and Righties. 

The term "mountain out of a molehill" mean anything to you?

[BrewerFan]

Just now, Bulldogboy said:

You just took 20 minutes to respond to something that had nothing to do with you so evidently you care quite a bit more than most. 

It means this is a ridiculous argument. And I replied 15 minutes after you. Sorry that wasn't timely enough for you and yes, that...must mean I care more than most.

 

About what again? The Brewers won and the topic of the Game Thread is a game he didn't start and the two hitters who DID start in lieu of him, both went 1-2. 

 

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[Bulldogboy]

1 minute ago, BrewerFan said:

It means this is a ridiculous argument. And I replied 15 minutes after you. Sorry that wasn't timely enough for you and yes, that...must mean I care more than most.

 

About what again? The Brewers won and the topic of the Game Thread is a game he didn't start and the two hitters who DID start in lieu of him, both went 1-2. 

 

Given the ridiculous nature of the argument just keep scrolling my friend. No need to respond whatsoever.