Brewers (Burnes) vs Dodgers (Lynn): 8/17/23, 9:10pm

[Jim French Stepstool]

47 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Brewers just need to call up Hiura and Tellez. Not even sure either of them will hit, but they desperately need even the hope of a big bat in the middle of the order. I would call them up and rock this lineup.

1. Yelich - LF
2. Contreras - C
3. Frelick - CF
4. Hiura - DH
5. Tellez - 1B 
6. Monasterio - 3B
7. Canha - RF
8. Turang - 2B
9. Adames - SS

Caratini - Burnes personal catcher

Santana - 1B platoon with Rowdy and 1B defensive replacement

Anderson - 3B defensive replacement

Taylor - 4th OF.

Option: Wiemer and Toro for Tellez and Hiura. DFA Jahmai Jones or Bennett Sousa to open up the 40-man spot for Hiura.

 

I'm not remotely a Hiura believer but he might have found his power stroke again and honestly there's more upside in his bat than Winker or Santana at this point.

I think it's too early to dump on Santana & give Rowdy all the RHP ABs, but if Tellez can come back hot, then sure. I suspect you'll see some lineups containing both, which means Tellez DH's. That's assuming Hiura doesn't return, which I think is a safe bet, although at this point I'd be OK with giving him a shot. Frelick definitely needs to move up in the order.

[Jim French Stepstool]

The way the game ended is actually fitting. There were two guys in the broadcast booth, at least one frustrated former jock (me), and a handful of bartenders, insomniacs, retired pipefitters, stay-at-home moms, dads, and several bar patrons hanging on to their 4th beer watching the game, and most if not all of them probably knew Phillips wasn't throwing a strike to Adames on 3-2.

But Willy didn't know.

And why do I get the feeling that Frelick walking twice & stealing 3 bases cements him even more deeply in the cleanup spot?

[SomewhereInTime]

3 hours ago, Pugger said:

You are attending these games in person?  

Yeah went to all three.  I live in Vegas and try to make the trip when they're out on the west coast.  On the way back and should be home around 3am lol

[Jake McKibbin]

Santana was very unlucky not to have multiple extra base hits tonight, and this series to be honest, it just keeps going dow the right fielders throat

This is exactly how frustrating that game is, an xBA .100 points better on the day.

Dodgers were lucky as balls 

[BlightyBrew]

2 hours ago, tonyei31 said:

This game is a prime example of ownership ineptitude.  The offense has sucked all year.  Mark A and Matt A brought back, in short, the same exact offense that sucked last year.  Expecting different results with a few rookies..  There is absolutely no excuse to score 3 runs in a 3 game series against anyone (there isn't a single poster here that thinks we score a run in the 9th). You can't continue to run the same philosophy year in and year out and expect different results.  You did this when we got to the NLCS (albeit with pitching being the inept area).  Your franchise was gifted 3 elite cost controlled pitchers and you didn't do a single darn thing to improve the offense.  Shame on Mark A and his 'attempt' at being an owner.  Your in a class just above Jeffrey Loria.  

Mark A is living the high life.   His Dodgers are playing great baseball.  

[BlightyBrew]

Wow even the beat reporters is the JS have finally admitted that this offense is bad in the write up for getting swept in LA.  For those ownership/management  "Yes Men" to admit things are bad this must be a new low.

Have to give Burnes credit for his comments in the JS that he believes this team can still win a WS.  I haven's seen the video.  I was just wondering how he was able to say that and keep a straight face.  He might have missed his calling as a comedic actor.  Probably thinking 9 or 10 more starts and I'm out of here.  

[BruisedCrew]

4 hours ago, Jake McKibbin said:

Santana was very unlucky not to have multiple extra base hits tonight, and this series to be honest, it just keeps going dow the right fielders throat

This is exactly how frustrating that game is, an xBA .100 points better on the day.

Dodgers were lucky as balls 

Or maybe it shows how meaningless some of these stats can be when it comes to actually winning baseball games as long as winners are determined by runs scored instead of balls hit hard. 
 

It has never been unusual for teams to win games with fewer hits, but now we have these stats that don’t measure actual hits but balls that “should have been” hits that lead people to the non sequitur conclusion that the winning team was lucky. 
 

Of course a home run produces more runs than a handful of scattered singles that put runners on base who don’t advance. To me, that’s baseball not luck.

[willie key]

1 hour ago, BruisedCrew said:

Or maybe it shows how meaningless some of these stats can be when it comes to actually winning baseball games as long as winners are determined by runs scored instead of balls hit hard. 
 

It has never been unusual for teams to win games with fewer hits, but now we have these stats that don’t measure actual hits but balls that “should have been” hits that lead people to the non sequitur conclusion that the winning team was lucky. 
 

Of course a home run produces more runs than a handful of scattered singles that put runners on base who don’t advance. To me, that’s baseball not luck.

What is the point of a sport if you believe that it’s won or lost based on luck.      There is always some sort of chance in any game in any sport.  But baseball heads have taken it too far

it permeates through not only fans but the people who play the game in my opinion.   It’s almost become a coping mechanism

[Nola Beery]

There was some debate here recently about what is the "ceiling" for this road trip.  But the only sure thing, so far, is that we have found the floor.  Yeah, it was against the high and mighty Dodgers, but 3 runs in 3 games will pretty much always get you 3 losses. (And you can't write off that level of miserable consistency as simply  "bad luck"!)  The road doesn't get any easier tonight. Blechchchch.  

[willie key]

33 minutes ago, Nola Beery said:

There was some debate here recently about what is the "ceiling" for this road trip.  But the only sure thing, so far, is that we have found the floor.  Yeah, it was against the high and mighty Dodgers, but 3 runs in 3 games will pretty much always get you 3 losses. (And you can't write off that level of miserable consistency as simply  "bad luck"!)  The road doesn't get any easier tonight. Blechchchch.  

The problem with this road trip is you are playing really good teams who are probably playing the best they’ve played all year

 

maybe if we caught them at a different time we could win a few more.   But this might get ugly.    It kinda already has 

[yourout]

6 minutes ago, willie key said:

The problem with this road trip is you are playing really good teams who are probably playing the best they’ve played all year

 

maybe if we caught them at a different time we could win a few more.   But this might get ugly.    It kinda already has 

It's already Sandra Bernhard ugly and about go Roseanne.

[willie key]

1 minute ago, yourout said:

It's already Sandra Bernhard ugly and about go Roseanne.

If it goes Rosie o donnell then the seasons over

[brewers888]

I think we had a total of 9 hits over the three game series and blaming this on poor luck is nonsense when the truth is this lineup sucks. 

[RobertCrawley]

8 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Yeah went to all three.  I live in Vegas and try to make the trip when they're out on the west coast.  On the way back and should be home around 3am lol

How are Dodger fans at home?

[LouisEly]

2 hours ago, willie key said:

What is the point of a sport if you believe that it’s won or lost based on luck.      There is always some sort of chance in any game in any sport.  But baseball heads have taken it too far

it permeates through not only fans but the people who play the game in my opinion.   It’s almost become a coping mechanism

The point is that anything can happen in one single baseball game, even three, good luck or bad luck or expected outcome.  But over the course of a larger sample (i.e., more games), playing the odds (which in this case are advanced statistical analysis - hard hit balls, xBA, FIP, wOBA, wRC+, O-swing%, etc.) yields a more true outcome and the effect of luck/randomness on the outcome diminishes.

That's why the Brewers are in first place with the fourth most wins in the NL, one behind the Phillies for third most wins.  Yes, they can look awful over the course of a 3-game series, but the larger the sample (i.e. as the season goes on) the more that luck/randomness gets weeded out and the outcome resembles the true outcome.

[SomewhereInTime]

4 hours ago, RobertCrawley said:

How are Dodger fans at home?

They're fine, seem about the same as any other group of fans.

[RobertCrawley]

1 hour ago, SomewhereInTime said:

They're fine, seem about the same as any other group of fans.

You must not have sat next to Cardinal fans.

[Robocaller]

On 8/17/2023 at 11:36 PM, Pugger said:

Only because our division is weak.  Against the better teams we stink.  It isn't going to be any better for this anemic offense in TX tomorrow.

 

that didn't age well. :-)