Burnes to Yankees best deals

[Scooterfletcher]

They may want in after missing button Yama and offer a good package.  I feel Perazza Hampton and Warren for Burnes is what the two sides should settle on.  Thoughts?? 

[brewcrewdue80]

Low ceilings. Middle floors. Pass. Need someone with a higher ceiling.

[Lloyd330]

You make the Yankees include Jasson Dominquez

[TURBO]

Any deal with the Yankees starts with Dominquez.

[Scooterfletcher]

A Yankee fan on Twitter actually posted a poll asking who would say no to Burnes for Perazza, Schmidt, Hampton, and Warren.   I voted that the brewers would say no but that’s one I’d actually accept (and we win handily on the admittedly inaccurate BTV site).   Thoughts on if you’d accept Burnes for that foursome? 

[nate82]

The Yankees definitely reject that before the Brewers do.

[Scooterfletcher]

[Madhawk23]

Honestly though - if Dominguez is off limits in any deal with the Yankees, I think the Brewers would have to demand that Schmidt is in the deal, right?  

I'm only looking at the stats, but it appears that Peraza really struggled in his first real MLB action this past season.  Anyone know if some of that is fixable?  Would you still want him coming over in a deal for Burnes?  

How about Schmidt, Arias and Warren for Burnes?  

[Scooterfletcher]

I think Hampton is the arm to want above all of them.   I’d want Schmidt Hampton and Warren in any deal but would want a pretty nice fourth piece as well if dealing with NYY (Peraza or Arias would work)

[Brewcrew82]

I don't have much interest in Schmidt being any part of a deal. He's an Adrian Houser back-end type, which is valuable in the aggregate due to the amount of control, but will still eat away at the rest of the return. Same idea with Peraza.

I'd definitely want Hampton back. Give me Arias and his upside, too. Throw in another pitcher, and I'd do it.

A shame they gave up Thorpe in the Soto deal. I'm really high on him. 

[Madhawk23]

2 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I don't have much interest in Schmidt being any part of a deal. He's an Adrian Houser back-end type, which is valuable in the aggregate due to the amount of control, but will still eat away at the rest of the return. Same idea with Peraza.

I'd definitely want Hampton back. Give me Arias and his upside, too. Throw in another pitcher, and I'd do it.

A shame they gave up Thorpe in the Soto deal. I'm really high on him. 

Good to know. Thanks for the insight, as I’m not overly educated on the tools and upside of the Yankee prospects. I have heard that Arias has big time potential down the road.

[Matt Breen]

6 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I don't have much interest in Schmidt being any part of a deal. He's an Adrian Houser back-end type, which is valuable in the aggregate due to the amount of control, but will still eat away at the rest of the return. Same idea with Peraza.

I'd definitely want Hampton back. Give me Arias and his upside, too. Throw in another pitcher, and I'd do it.

I think an Arias/Hampton deal would be a solid. As you say, throw in another guy and it's looking pretty solid.

[Austin Tatious]

Agree completely that the Yankees seem to be the best fit both ways for a trade that makes sense.  Hampton, Arias, and another pitcher who has the peripherals they like in terms of movement and spin rate would make sense.  

[SF70]

I also like the Yankees as a trade partner. I’m offering Williams as well as Burnes since the Yankees can use a dominant closer,

Hampton & Lalane & Lombard & Gil.

Gil adds another 100mph arm to the bullpen and Hampton can rotation with MKE the second half of ‘24 if he’s needed.

Lombard & Lalane are the upside talent needed to make the deal even though they are 3+ years away.

This deal immediately fixes the only weaknesses in this teams farm system:

Mid-rotation arms and power-hitting SS. Pratt & Lombard can compete for the ‘27 MKE SS position.

[Brewcrew82]

19 minutes ago, SF70 said:

I also like the Yankees as a trade partner. I’m offering Williams as well as Burnes since the Yankees can use a dominant closer,

Hampton & Lalane & Lombard & Gil.

Gil adds another 100mph arm to the bullpen and Hampton can rotation with MKE the second half of ‘24 if he’s needed.

Lombard & Lalane are the upside talent needed to make the deal even though they are 3+ years away.

This deal immediately fixes the only weaknesses in this teams farm system:

Mid-rotation arms and power-hitting SS. Pratt & Lombard can compete for the ‘27 MKE SS position.

I'd rather have Arias than Lombard. Make an upside play alongside Pratt. Guy could be a top 20/10 prospect a year from now. 

[SF70]

10 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I'd rather have Arias than Lombard. Make an upside play alongside Pratt. Guy could be a top 20/10 prospect a year from now. 

Lombard a smidgen less upside with a smidgen more floor. 5 above average tools with a pedigree as well. Like the baseball family.

[Madhawk23]

I’m just not sure if I’m in love with the Yankees farm system enough to trade them both Burnes AND Williams? If I’m Arnold, I think I’d need a major haul from them to even consider trading both of them. I’m talking Schmidt, Hampton, Warren and Arias. I might even force them to throw in Lilane to get the deal across the finish line?

[TURBO]

I don't understand the Schmidt love in this thread.  He is what, a #4 at best, maybe a number 3 type in an average rotation?

We need to shoot a lot higher than Schmidt to replace Burnes in the rotation.

[Madhawk23]

7 minutes ago, TURBO said:

I don't understand the Schmidt love in this thread.  He is what, a #4 at best, maybe a number 3 type in an average rotation?

We need to shoot a lot higher than Schmidt to replace Burnes in the rotation.

I’m not sure I’d call it “love?” But if we’re doing a deal with the Yankees, I think he’s got to be a 2nd or hopefully 3rd piece coming back, as we’d need to fill Burnes spot in the rotation with a MLB ready arm. Again, the Yanks would not be my first choice for a Burnes trade partner. May not even be my 2nd or third choice either.

[TURBO]

1 hour ago, Madhawk23 said:

I’m not sure I’d call it “love?” But if we’re doing a deal with the Yankees, I think he’s got to be a 2nd or hopefully 3rd piece coming back, as we’d need to fill Burnes spot in the rotation with a MLB ready arm. Again, the Yanks would not be my first choice for a Burnes trade partner. May not even be my 2nd or third choice either.

If he's the 2nd best piece, then we are probably getting fleeced...  Just saying.

[Lloyd330]

Stay away from Schmidt, hes just a guy. 

[Scooterfletcher]

So Hampton Warren Arias and Lalane we’d have to be ok accepting for Burnes, right?

[Madhawk23]

8 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

So Hampton Warren Arias and Lalane we’d have to be ok accepting for Burnes, right?

I’ll defer to others here that might know more about these NY prospects, but this feels like more of a quantity package coming back instead of quality. Arias could turn into a stud in 2-3 years, but right now he’s a lotto ticket. Not real sure what the upside is on the three arms? Back of rotation guys??

[brewcrewdue80]

46 minutes ago, Madhawk23 said:

I’ll defer to others here that might know more about these NY prospects, but this feels like more of a quantity package coming back instead of quality. Arias could turn into a stud in 2-3 years, but right now he’s a lotto ticket. Not real sure what the upside is on the three arms? Back of rotation guys??

Thank you for calling that out.  All I'm seeing from the pitchers and reading are healthy Crow types.  Initial puke return for Houser&Taylor. High whip-bb types 95 and below. If that's the ceiling of pitching you want for an ACE, taking a Rok level 19yr lotto ticket back is just insanity to me for Burnes +?  + Williams?.  

Find a 3rd team that takes Dominguez for somebody with higher ceiling that fills a Brewers need vs OF who needs Dominguez when putting Williams(a 2nd QO future) in the deal.  I started looking at SSs and my word there's like 10 of them in top 25.  I wouldnt bother there.  Take Baltimore-send them Burnes&Williams for Grayson Rodriguez. Better than this Yankees idea. 

[jay87shot]

On 12/28/2023 at 5:52 PM, TURBO said:

I don't understand the Schmidt love in this thread.  He is what, a #4 at best, maybe a number 3 type in an average rotation?

We need to shoot a lot higher than Schmidt to replace Burnes in the rotation.

I am on the like Schmidt side. He isn't going to be an ace but I think he will be better than Houser. He has 4 solid pitches and his breaking pitchers are much better than Houser's in my opinion (strike out pitches).  His pitches have great movement and I think he would benefit a lot getting out of New York. I believe he would be a solid #3 pitcher, I would value him as a borderline top 100 piece so he is likely the second piece or 1a/1b type piece. I think the Schimdt/Hampton top end of a package would be a solid start to give us a solid starter right away and a top of the rotation potential starter with a higher floor by next year.

I doubt the Yanks would give up Dominguez and with his injury his trade value is probably lower than the Yanks would want it. I would be fine with Schmidt, Hampton, Lombard/Arias/Warren (smaller 4th piece). However I am liking the idea of getting a 3rd team to take Everson Pereria (blocked by Judge, Soto, Verdugo, Grisham with Jones and Dominguez ready next year).