Is there a deal to be had with the Padres?

[Madhawk23]

I see that Nightengale is reporting that the Padres continue to be active in trade discussions, and willing to take on more in budget.  Do we match up with them at all for any of our players?  I'm guessing they might be looking to trade Kim who only has one year left on his deal, so they aren't going to have much interest in Adames, right?  Would there be interest in doing yet another closer trade with them - this time with Devin?  What about OF?  I'm thinking they must have a need there after they traded both Soto and Grisham?  

[wibadgers23]

I think I read that the Padres are in need of outfielders, which we certainly have an abundance of. I’m just not sure who on the Padres we’d be looking at.

[Madhawk23]

13 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

I think I read that the Padres are in need of outfielders, which we certainly have an abundance of. I’m just not sure who on the Padres we’d be looking at.

Just looking at their prospect list, they've got five very intriguing arms in their top 10 prospect list.  Snelling, Lesko, Thorpe, Iriarte and Mazur.  Seems like we could probably line up on a prospect for prospect type deal, no?  We have an abundance of OF's and they have what appears to be an abundance of SP prospects.  

Just taking a look at the BTV site and their surplus value placed on the players that could be in play here:

Brewers OF:

Mitchell - 15.2M

Frelick - 35.4M

Wiemer - 15.5M

 

Padres SP:

Snelling - 25.7M

Lesko - 24.4M

Thorpe - 18.5M

Iriarte - 10.6M

Mazur - 5.7M

 

How about a Frelick/Snelling straight up swap?  Who says no there?  (Guessing Preller says "no?")

Or, a Mitchell for Thorpe straight up swap?  Who says no to this one?  

[eddiemathews]

36 minutes ago, Madhawk23 said:

Just looking at their prospect list, they've got five very intriguing arms in their top 10 prospect list.  Snelling, Lesko, Thorpe, Iriarte and Mazur.  Seems like we could probably line up on a prospect for prospect type deal, no?  We have an abundance of OF's and they have what appears to be an abundance of SP prospects.  

Just taking a look at the BTV site and their surplus value placed on the players that could be in play here:

Brewers OF:

Mitchell - 15.2M

Frelick - 35.4M

Wiemer - 15.5M

 

Padres SP:

Snelling - 25.7M

Lesko - 24.4M

Thorpe - 18.5M

Iriarte - 10.6M

Mazur - 5.7M

 

How about a Frelick/Snelling straight up swap?  Who says no there?  (Guessing Preller says "no?")

Or, a Mitchell for Thorpe straight up swap?  Who says no to this one?  

Do what it takes to get Snelling. 

[Madhawk23]

23 minutes ago, eddiemathews said:

Do what it takes to get Snelling. 

Yeah, it would be great to get Snelling, and I would guess that it would take Frelick + another good prospect (even though Frelick technically has more current surplus value on BTV)?  But, if someone else feels strongly that we shouldn't have to give up more than Sal, then that's even better!

I'd hate to lose Sal, but if our FO feels strong enough that either Mitchell or Wiemer will end up being good big league starting OF's, then I think it's a risk that would be worth taking - if you can get an arm like Snelling back in return.  

[jay87shot]

The Padres also need pitching so we line up the their as well. 

[Jastro]

 

[BlazingGunz]

21 minutes ago, Jastro said:

 

Eyeballs open

[titletownking]

I want a TON to move from Sal. Of our 4 outfield prospects, IMO he has the 2nd highest floor by a large margin. Snelling would be the target but it probably takes more than Frelick

[wibadgers23]

Snelling would be nice I guess but that Padres system doesn’t excite me all that much and we’re not getting Salas or Merrill. Would rather keep Frelick.

[wallus]

1 hour ago, Jastro said:

 

Same guy also mentioned Merrill might make the big league team. Frelick and Turang for Merrill matches up pretty closely on BTV...

I could see a match here honestly.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

12 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

Snelling would be nice I guess but that Padres system doesn’t excite me all that much and we’re not getting Salas or Merrill. Would rather keep Frelick.

If the Brewers gave up a guy like Frelick, they'd want/need MLB talent back. Tough to find that on the Padres roster and still get equal value.

[brewerfan82]

29 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

If the Brewers gave up a guy like Frelick, they'd want/need MLB talent back. Tough to find that on the Padres roster and still get equal value.

Yeah, I had trouble finding a match as well. I think it'd almost have to be a 3-team trade, maybe something like:

[NOMAAM]

You’d think Padres would be open to dealing Kim.  But not sure that’s what the Crew would want u less Adames is moved.

[Matt]

Sounds like pure wishful speculation on the part of the Padres, but if there were any smoke, De Vries would be the guy to go after.

[Madhawk23]

38 minutes ago, Matt said:

Sounds like pure wishful speculation on the part of the Padres, but if there were any smoke, De Vries would be the guy to go after.

Who is this De Vries that you’re suggesting we go after?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

44 minutes ago, Matt said:

Sounds like pure wishful speculation on the part of the Padres, but if there were any smoke, De Vries would be the guy to go after.

You mean the 17-year-old they just signed last month? I'm not even sure if they can trade him yet?

[Matt]

5 minutes ago, Madhawk23 said:

Who is this De Vries that you’re suggesting we go after?

Leodalis De Vries. He was the top International Signing of 2024. Switch hitting SS with power from both sides. 

[Matt]

1 minute ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

You mean the 17-year-old they just signed last month? I'm not even sure if they can trade him yet?

That I don't know. I don't know the rules re: when they can trade Int signings. 

[Madhawk23]

Well, if we're trading a guy like Frelick to the Pads - I can't see a 17-year old that was just signed this winter as someone that Arnold would be targeting in the return back.  I think he'd be looking to get at least 1-2 of the Pads young arms coming back in return.  Or, perhaps someone like Merrill.  

[Fear The Chorizo]

2 hours ago, titletownking said:

I want a TON to move from Sal. Of our 4 outfield prospects, IMO he has the 2nd highest floor by a large margin. Snelling would be the target but it probably takes more than Frelick

I actually think Frelick would be the young OFer I'd prefer the Brewers trade before any of the other guys, and this would be the offseason to do so if looking to maximize return.  Frelick is a good defensive OFer, but not as good as Mitchell, Wiemer, and Chourio - and putting Frelick in a corner OF position makes him an offensive liability due to limited power.  He's more polished right now than Mitchell or Wiemer, but those guys have higher ceilings.

IMO, Frelick is good enough to be an everyday outfielder and a good everyday center fielder - I'd be just fine if the Brewers held onto him longterm, but I think if the Brewers do opt to trade from a position of surplus depth either to improve their MLB team elsewhere or add younger prospects to free up 40 man roster space I'd rather see Frelick be the odd man out than Mitchell or Wiemer at this point in their careers, especially with Chourio likely being given every opportunity to be this team's center fielder for the next 8+ years.

[Playing Catch]

Iriarte seems to fit the Brewers style of prospect. Similar to Misiorowski, kinda (he's also Venezuelan). If the Padres are trying to make their 2024 team better, this would certainly help them. While I'm sure that a "proven" MLB player, in Frelick has a lot of trade value, I'm not sure that it wouldn't be a straight-up trade -- or nearly so.

If the Brewers don't see Frelick as anything more than a platoon corner this season, than it may be worth it to them.

[Madhawk23]

Not sure if the Brewers or Padres would do this deal, but curious for thoughts on a Frelick for Thorpe and Iriarte package?  I'm guessing both Thorpe and Iriarte would start this year at AAA, and depending on their success there (and the need at the MLB level), they might be ready for a MLB call-up at some point during this upcoming season?  Would certainly add another couple of high quality arms to our system.  

[sveumrules]

8 minutes ago, Madhawk23 said:

Not sure if the Brewers or Padres would do this deal, but curious for thoughts on a Frelick for Thorpe and Iriarte package?  I'm guessing both Thorpe and Iriarte would start this year at AAA, and depending on their success there (and the need at the MLB level), they might be ready for a MLB call-up at some point during this upcoming season?  Would certainly add another couple of high quality arms to our system.  

Thorpe and Iriarte would feel a little light to me.

Sub one of them out for one of Snelling or Dylan Lesko and I think that's a lot closer to what I'd be looking for.

[Madhawk23]

7 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Thorpe and Iriarte would feel a little light to me.

Sub one of them out for one of Snelling or Dylan Lesko and I think that's a lot closer to what I'd be looking for.

I was initially going to suggest a Lesko and Iriarte package in return for Frelick.  But, I wasn't sure if Arnold would want a guy that hasn't yet pitched above A-ball as the headliner coming back in a deal for someone like Sal?  I think Snelling would be the preferred guy to get back, but just not sure how likely it is that the Pads trade him?  If we could somehow get Snelling and either Thorpe or Iriarte for Sal....I think I'd pull the trigger right away on a deal like that.  But, something tells me the Pads wouldn't.