2024 NFL Discussion Thread

[BrewerFan]

4 hours ago, sveumrules said:

That 15 sack spread between Williams (67) and Stroud (52) is also four more times than Love has been sacked all year with only 11 so far.

I'd guess at least half of those are on Williams. 

QBs can make an OLs "grades" so much better or so much worse...and obviously vice versa. I know we had good to elite pass-blocking grades when Billy Turner, Royce Newman and others were getting a lot of snaps after Bakhtiari got hurt. Josh Myers was one of the top graded pass blocking Centers in that period as well.. Pass Block Win/Loss rate has become one of the most meaningless stats IMO. 

Rodgers would get the ball out so quickly on so many pass attempts, those would go down as wins. Love is pretty good at this as well, though not where Rodgers was(a pretty high bar). 

 

But Williams is running around back there trying to play hero ball. He makes some incredible throws, but he plays undisciplined, erratic, doesn't take the easy pass. And he's still had a pretty damn good rookie year all things considered.

That's why an offense where he gets a lot of easy reads, easy completions...that's kinda scary. Especially if they get a franchise LT in the top 10 picks. In fact, if I was Chicago, I'd use two of my top 3 picks(2 2nd rd picks) on the OL. 

 

I remain confident the Bears will blow it and the fan base will be clamoring for Arch Manning before long...

[HarryDoyle]

Greg Gumbel sadly passed away. Football broadcasting legend. I was surprised to find out he was 78.

Longtime CBS sportscaster Greg Gumbel dies from cancer at age 78

[OldSchoolSnapper]

2 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

 Football broadcasting legend.

Not that he wasn't, but I always associate him with college basketball. 

[HarryDoyle]

Boy, this week 17 slate of games has had some real nail biters, haven't they? 

[igor67]

The 4 losers so far have only scored enough points together to beat just 1 of the 4 winners, so yeah pretty ugly.

[HarryDoyle]

Finally, a good game.

[HarryDoyle]

Zak Taylor may have just cost his team a playoff berth with that poor clock management. He's lucky the Broncos elected to just tie the game. I 100% would've went for two.

[HarryDoyle]

Even a tie will clinch a playoff berth for Denver.

[HarryDoyle]

Zac Taylor survives.

[yourout]

Arizona's kidding themselves if they think Murray's ever going to take them anywhere.

[yourout]

1 hour ago, HarryDoyle said:

Even a tie will clinch a playoff berth for Denver.

Always enjoyable watching a Sean Payton coached team lose.

[HarryDoyle]

6 minutes ago, yourout said:

Always enjoyable watching a Sean Payton coached team lose.

Mr. Overrated. Even so, I was rooting for Denver after Taylor's brainfart. Coaches shouldn't get away with terrible decisions like scoring a touchdown instead of running down the clock to about 10 seconds and kicking a chip shot field goal. He didn't even make Denver use up all their time outs. But Payton not going for two was pretty dumb too. Make it and you're in the playoffs. Miss it and you're no worse off than you are now.

[yourout]

Also nice seeing the Mormons lay it on neon Dion's buffaloes.

[homer]

2 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

Mr. Overrated. Even so, I was rooting for Denver after Taylor's brainfart. Coaches shouldn't get away with terrible decisions like scoring a touchdown instead of running down the clock to about 10 seconds and kicking a chip shot field goal. He didn't even make Denver use up all their time outs. But Payton not going for two was pretty dumb too. Make it and you're in the playoffs. Miss it and you're no worse off than you are now.

I think a tie actually helped Denver as much as a win 

[adambr2]

6 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

Zak Taylor may have just cost his team a playoff berth with that poor clock management. He's lucky the Broncos elected to just tie the game. I 100% would've went for two.

I didn’t think it was that egregious on the clock management. I know the announcers were making a huge deal out of it but they were wrong that the Bengals could have run it down to 15-20 seconds. It was more like 45-50 because they had their timeout back. Chase Brown getting hurt on the goal line play and having to burn a timeout when they were trying to burn the Broncos timeout really hurt them.

So they could have run it all the way down or at least run another couple plays to burn more clock and burn the timeout, but then the lead is only 3 instead of 7 and they’re still going to get a chance to tie it.

[HarryDoyle]

6 hours ago, adambr2 said:

I didn’t think it was that egregious on the clock management. I know the announcers were making a huge deal out of it but they were wrong that the Bengals could have run it down to 15-20 seconds. It was more like 45-50 because they had their timeout back. Chase Brown getting hurt on the goal line play and having to burn a timeout when they were trying to burn the Broncos timeout really hurt them.

So they could have run it all the way down or at least run another couple plays to burn more clock and burn the timeout, but then the lead is only 3 instead of 7 and they’re still going to get a chance to tie it.

But they didn't even have to run the ball on first down to begin with. Three kneel downs would've ran the clock down to about 10 seconds, 15 tops. What was the reward for five extra yards? A 20 yard field goal instead of a 25 yarder? That's like the distance between a three inch putt and a four inch putt. The reward certainly wasn't worth the risk, and now the Bengals will possibly be down their starting running back for a road game they need to win next week against a team that still has something to play for. The decision looks even worse when you consider Taylor opted to attempt a field goal from 33 yards out on third down in overtime. I don't know what the make percentage is for field goals from 25 yards in, but I'd guess it's in the high 90% range, and inside 20 is microscopically higher.

[HarryDoyle]

8 hours ago, homer said:

I think a tie actually helped Denver as much as a win 

Even a tie would've clinched a playoff berth for them, yes but they couldn't even convert a first down in overtime in two possessions. All the more reason to go for two. You don't want to put it in the hands of fate.

[GAME05]

14 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

Zak Taylor may have just cost his team a playoff berth with that poor clock management. He's lucky the Broncos elected to just tie the game. I 100% would've went for two.

I wonder if a trend will emerge of teams hiring a "Clock Management Specialist" who talks in the ear of the coach late in games.

And I don't know why there aren't more time outs right before two minutes instead of letting the clock wind a ways down to the Warning. If the offense is running the ball to kill the clock, call your timeout at 2:03.

[homer]

12 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

I wonder if a trend will emerge of teams hiring a "Clock Management Specialist" who talks in the ear of the coach late in games.

And I don't know why there aren't more time outs right before two minutes instead of letting the clock wind a ways down to the Warning. If the offense is running the ball to kill the clock, call your timeout at 2:03.

No coach would ever do this because reasons, but playing Madden two-minute drills 2000 times in the off season would be good prep for clock management. They need to think of it like a sim lab rather than a video game. It is an absolute joke how many NFL head coaches cannot manage the clock late in games. To me, clock management is the low hanging fruit that analytics could solve pretty quickly if coaches would be open minded about it.

[HarryDoyle]

52 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

I wonder if a trend will emerge of teams hiring a "Clock Management Specialist" who talks in the ear of the coach late in games.

And I don't know why there aren't more time outs right before two minutes instead of letting the clock wind a ways down to the Warning. If the offense is running the ball to kill the clock, call your timeout at 2:03.

I hate to say that this would be the reason head coaches are so bad at clock management, but they have so much running through their minds that it's difficult for them to concentrate on that aspect of the game. It's easy for us couch potatoes sitting at home to second guess. So yes, a specialist would be ideal for them.

[HarryDoyle]

Vintage Aaron Rodgers. Throws the ball at his wide open receiver's feet and blames him when he could've easily run for the first down.

[HarryDoyle]

It would be nice if the Jets scored so we'll still be the only team to pitch a shutout.

[yourout]

30 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

It would be nice if the Jets scored so we'll still be the only team to pitch a shutout.

Done.

[HarryDoyle]

It looks like there are only six teams that have a realistic chance of winning the Super Bowl. The Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Lions, Vikings and Eagles. 

[yourout]

3 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

It looks like there are only six teams that have a realistic chance of winning the Super Bowl. The Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Lions, Vikings and Eagles. 

I would agree.