2024 NFL Discussion Thread

[OldSchoolSnapper]

26 minutes ago, young guns said:

It feels like it should be as simple as allowing the expedited review process to flag things like the burrow face mask noncall from last night, but it also feels like a where does it stop type thing.  Pretty sure if you looked at every part of every play close enough there is at least one thing that can be called.

 

How do we get the egregious things called correctly without ruining the game.

I don't think it can be done. Unless you are talking about things AI can handle; was it a first down, did it cross the goal line, how many Newtons were applied to his facemask (lol). As long as there is any subjective thing considered under replay, we will have missed calls, wrong calls, human error and controversy. That goes back to my thesis, replay hasn't solved anything, it's just moved them. Replay has obviously corrected calls, but it has not eliminated bad calls and controversy, so in my eyes it hasn't done anything other than detract from the entertainment value of the sport and slow it down.

[adambr2]

Mark Gastineau got in Favre’s face on camera today about the gift sack he allowed to Strahan back in …2002? 2003?

I always thought Brett was a POS for that honestly. Your offensive line works their butt off all game to protect you and not wanting to allow the record on their watch. Only for you to screw them and screw the guy who actually earned it by just handing the record to your buddy.

[adambr2]

5 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I don't think it can be done. Unless you are talking about things AI can handle; was it a first down, did it cross the goal line, how many Newtons were applied to his facemask (lol). As long as there is any subjective thing considered under replay, we will have missed calls, wrong calls, human error and controversy. That goes back to my thesis, replay hasn't solved anything, it's just moved them. Replay has obviously corrected calls, but it has not eliminated bad calls and controversy, so in my eyes it hasn't done anything other than detract from the entertainment value of the sport and slow it down.

I don’t think the entertainment value has been sacrificed at all. It’s just different. But the drama of the replay decisions, the numerous HD camera angles, the slow motion replays, is all part of the entertainment. And when that isn’t necessary, when the call is pretty obvious, they get it fixed almost immediately and move on now.

I think they’ve fixed what they can fix. Yes, they can’t fix subjectivity in most cases, but missed calls are always still possible and will always still come with controversy. I accept that, but it’s still a lot better than nothing. They can at least keep a team’s season from ending when Jerry Rice clearly coughs up a fumble and is somehow called down. I’d rather not see our season end on something like that again.

[homer]

I think with technology you could get things like first downs/touchdowns, foot out of bounds, where the ball is spotted, etc worked out (some combination of GPS and sensors in the equipment) to the point you wouldn't need replay for those types of situations. Catch/Not a catch, fumbles, etc. might be more difficult.  The issue nowadays is that the cameras are so much better than years ago that everything looks worse. Also back in the day you had less stuff to call because they didn't give a rip about player safety. I'm all for getting rid of anything that is subjective as long as it doesn't mean a guy getting his head ripped off. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

Mark Gastineau got in Favre’s face on camera today about the gift sack he allowed to Strahan back in …2002? 2003?

I always thought Brett was a POS for that honestly. Your offensive line works their butt off all game to protect you and not wanting to allow the record on their watch. Only for you to screw them and screw the guy who actually earned it by just handing the record to your buddy.

That clip was bizarre, hilarious, and Gastineau is clearly not..."there."

Two things though - one, I don't think that happened today. I think it's from a 30 for 30 that's coming out, fairly recent but I think it's old. 

Second, Gastineau should check his receipts. Look up Tim "Doc" Anderson and his role in that fiasco. 

I always thought it was lame from Favre, but that was about it. The record's been broken since anyway. Sounds like Mark's teammates all hate his guts to boot.

[adambr2]

Interesting and tragic story about Anderson. It doesn’t change my opinion about Favre and what he pulled, but obviously Gastineau had some issues and didn’t exactly have his hands clean to be talking. 

I was always surprised Strahan would want the record *earned* like that. Obviously super easy for me to say since I’ll never be in that position but I feel I’d either want to earn it myself or never get it at all, and if you tried to hand it to me I’d be a little ticked, honestly.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think most people thought it was a lame way to break a record. Strahan has said since that it wasn't worth it, though I doubt in the heat of the moment he really knew they gave it to him. I can still remember reading the newspaper the next day and some guys were maintaining it wasn't a dive, when really everyone knew that it was.

Gastineau wouldn't be in the hall either way. And the funny thing about that record...nobody knew whose it was. It wasn't like Roger Marris. Everyone knew there was a sack record and that Strahan was gunning for it, but I don't remember a single person mentioning the name Mark Gastineau. 

Probably not in the top 5 of douchey things Brett Favre did, but I am glad we got that clip out of it. Just hilarious. Favre looks like he thinks he is kidding at first.

[CheezWizHed]

Sing it with me!  One of these things is not like the other...

[nate82]

10 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Sing it with me!  One of these things is not like the other...

Two overpriced and one marginally overpriced sweatshirts?

[JosephC]

14 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

That clip was bizarre, hilarious, and Gastineau is clearly not..."there."

Two things though - one, I don't think that happened today. I think it's from a 30 for 30 that's coming out, fairly recent but I think it's old. 

Second, Gastineau should check his receipts. Look up Tim "Doc" Anderson and his role in that fiasco. 

I always thought it was lame from Favre, but that was about it. The record's been broken since anyway. Sounds like Mark's teammates all hate his guts to boot.

Gastineau was all about self-promotion and trying to get the spotlight on him.  When he made a sack he would have these ridiculous celebrations where he'd jump around and throw his arms around, and this was in an era where an elaborate TD celebration was a guy simply spiking the ball.  Gastineau would only play for sacks, if a running back was going towards him, Gastineau would generally just stop and let the back run right by him.  If "selfish player" was in the dictionary, Gastineau's picture would be right next to it.  It was even known back then that all of his teammates disliked him.

It was a completely dick move for Favre to do what he did, because IMO that was a selfish move that disrespected his own teammates.  Mark Tauscher and Bubba Franks work their tails off to block that guy and then Favre goes and gives him a freebie.  It must be pointed out that was all Strahan got thiat day, as Tauscher put on a dominating performance.  Packers went up and down the field and eventually just took the fourth quarter off, as they had a 34-10 lead at the end of the third.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I am guessing that Tauscher and Franks couldn't care less about it. The only thing about it that ever bothered me in the slightest was just handing a record to a guy. I am actually kinda surprised any Packers fan cares about it. It was a nothingburger for me - really, it wasn't like the HR record or something big in pop culture. Nobody really cared about it. 

[CheezWizHed]

47 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I am guessing that Tauscher and Franks couldn't care less about it. The only thing about it that ever bothered me in the slightest was just handing a record to a guy. I am actually kinda surprised any Packers fan cares about it. It was a nothingburger for me - really, it wasn't like the HR record or something big in pop culture. Nobody really cared about it. 

I was annoyed by it.  Not something I will go to my grave regretting... But at the time, I thought it was "cheap". Records become meaningless if they aren't earned. 

Strahan deserves an "*".

[HarryDoyle]

As expected, that Lions fan got his season tickets revoked.

Lions revoke fan's tickets for verbal spat with Packers' LaFleur - ESPN

[homer]

doesn't this rain in the Rams Niners game know I have two guys in the fantasy playoffs???

[HarveysWBs]

2 hours ago, homer said:

doesn't this rain in the Rams Niners game know I have two guys in the fantasy playoffs???

Yeah, Kupp’s goose egg means it’s just about curtains for me. Not sure why I even bother with the game…

[OldSchoolSnapper]

12 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

As expected, that Lions fan got his season tickets revoked.

Lions revoke fan's tickets for verbal spat with Packers' LaFleur - ESPN

Expected outcome and what I was saying to anyone who kept saying "LaFleur did exactly what the fan wanted." Yeah, maybe for those 10 seconds. MLF will never think about this dope again. He'll spend the next 12 months begging the Lions to get his tickets back and possibly miss going to the NFCCG that clinches the Super Bowl. Dummy needed to realize where he was, not in section 318 yelling stuff nobody could hear. This really puts a smile on my face. I'm glad he's devastated. He "wishes he could tell his side of the story." Dude - just stop talking already.

[SeaBass]

Wild decision by De'Vondre Campbell last night to decline to sub into the game in the 3rd quarter. Assumption at the moment is he didn't like "losing" his starting job to Dre Greenlaw who was already ahead of him on the depth chart but had just returned to his starting role after recovering from an Achilles injury. Greenlaw felt something in his knee in the 3rd quarter and asked to come out of the game and when the 49ers told Campbell to go in for him he refused and later walked to the locker room when the 3rd quarter ended.

"He said he didn't want to play today," Kyle Shanahan later told reporters.

You gotta think that's the last time he'll appear on any NFL team's sideline. What a dunce.

[SeaBass]

24 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Expected outcome and what I was saying to anyone who kept saying "LaFleur did exactly what the fan wanted." Yeah, maybe for those 10 seconds. MLF will never think about this dope again. He'll spend the next 12 months begging the Lions to get his tickets back and possibly miss going to the NFCCG that clinches the Super Bowl. Dummy needed to realize where he was, not in section 318 yelling stuff nobody could hear. This really puts a smile on my face. I'm glad he's devastated.

People never understand that just because you buy something, in this case essentially a subscription to attend live NFL games, that it's still a privilege that can be taken away. This guy still doesn't get it either, thinks he deserved a face to face with someone to explain his side or ask forgiveness. I'd guess part of the Lions decision to take this action is coming directly from the NFL itself to ensure the team wouldn't just shrug it off. You'd think the team could get there on its own but it took a week before news came of this decision.

Guy got what he deserved.

[homer]

26 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

Wild decision by De'Vondre Campbell last night to decline to sub into the game in the 3rd quarter. Assumption at the moment is he didn't like "losing" his starting job to Dre Greenlaw who was already ahead of him on the depth chart but had just returned to his starting role after recovering from an Achilles injury. Greenlaw felt something in his knee in the 3rd quarter and asked to come out of the game and when the 49ers told Campbell to go in for him he refused and later walked to the locker room when the 3rd quarter ended.

"He said he didn't want to play today," Kyle Shanahan later told reporters.

You gotta think that's the last time he'll appear on any NFL team's sideline. What a dunce.

When the Packers get rid of guys, we should probably consider that the reason might not be financial.

[homer]

 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

42 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

People never understand that just because you buy something, in this case essentially a subscription to attend live NFL games, that it's still a privilege that can be taken away. This guy still doesn't get it either, thinks he deserved a face to face with someone to explain his side or ask forgiveness. I'd guess part of the Lions decision to take this action is coming directly from the NFL itself to ensure the team wouldn't just shrug it off. You'd think the team could get there on its own but it took a week before news came of this decision.

Guy got what he deserved.

He did this before, I believe that is what sealed his fate. He was dumb enough to go on local TV and mouth off about doing it with Todd Bowles, who, according to him, just laughed it off. He should have gone away quietly once he was ejected, instead of making the rounds in the media.

[HarryDoyle]

2 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Expected outcome and what I was saying to anyone who kept saying "LaFleur did exactly what the fan wanted." Yeah, maybe for those 10 seconds. MLF will never think about this dope again. He'll spend the next 12 months begging the Lions to get his tickets back and possibly miss going to the NFCCG that clinches the Super Bowl. Dummy needed to realize where he was, not in section 318 yelling stuff nobody could hear. This really puts a smile on my face. I'm glad he's devastated. He "wishes he could tell his side of the story." Dude - just stop talking already.

That's the part that made me chuckle. I would've loved to hear his side of the story to explain why he got in MLF's face and the throat slash.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

10 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

That's the part that made me chuckle. I would've loved to hear his side of the story to explain why he got in MLF's face and the throat slash.

It's not hard to find because there is an 8-minute video of him babbling on Youtube I posted here somewhere. He just repeats himself a bunch and says he was talking trash and did the throat slash. He's not the sympathetic figure he seems to think he is. I visited the Lions subreddit and they mostly think he's an idiot that crossed the line.

[adambr2]

On 12/10/2024 at 9:48 PM, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I think most people thought it was a lame way to break a record. Strahan has said since that it wasn't worth it, though I doubt in the heat of the moment he really knew they gave it to him. I can still remember reading the newspaper the next day and some guys were maintaining it wasn't a dive, when really everyone knew that it was.

Gastineau wouldn't be in the hall either way. And the funny thing about that record...nobody knew whose it was. It wasn't like Roger Marris. Everyone knew there was a sack record and that Strahan was gunning for it, but I don't remember a single person mentioning the name Mark Gastineau. 

Probably not in the top 5 of douchey things Brett Favre did, but I am glad we got that clip out of it. Just hilarious. Favre looks like he thinks he is kidding at first.

Hmm, I can’t speak for everyone but I definitely knew Gastineau had the record when watching that game. I remember them mentioning him several times on the broadcast.

In any event, I honestly think Favre is thrilled these days to talk about anything that isn’t related to his welfare scandal. I think he loves when the focus on him becomes anything but that. To that end, I don’t think it bothered him in the slightest that Gastineau got in his face. It’s a distraction.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

16 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Hmm, I can’t speak for everyone but I definitely knew Gastineau had the record when watching that game. I remember them mentioning him several times on the broadcast.

In any event, I honestly think Favre is thrilled these days to talk about anything that isn’t related to his welfare scandal. I think he loves when the focus on him becomes anything but that. To that end, I don’t think it bothered him in the slightest that Gastineau got in his face. It’s a distraction.

I consider myself a major football fan. Before this clip surfaced, I couldn't have told you last week whose record Strahan broke.