Packers 2024 Season Thread

[Joseph Zarr]

2 minutes ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

I'm doubting Glover makes the team at this point. The whole "Green Bay keeps all their picks" thing is overstated (they cut two last year) and I can't remember a draft pick I heard less about in camp than Glover. If they keep 10, which I doubt, it probably means they still have hopes for Telfort or Jones and Jennings manages to somehow win a roster spot in two weeks worth of practice.

Not going to lie: Until you mentioned Him I essentially forgot they drafted him! 😅

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

Couple of things. The NFL changed the "have to make the initial roster to be designated to return" rule, so that is not an issue.

On the practice squad thing:

1. Several players whose primary value is on special teams were claimed last year, including one by the Packers, so there is no guarantee they make it through waivers.

2. There is no guarantee they re-sign with the Packers practice squad vs. another team's.

3. Protecting a practice squad player, if I remember correctly, only prevents mid-to-late week signings. Everyone is still fair game on Monday.

4. You only get so many call-ups before you have to keep them on the roster. You better have several you feel comfortable streaming if that is the plan.

5. Thanks to injuries, Wilson is the third best linebacker with more than minicamp experience at this point. I can't see them going with just four there.

I'm doubting Glover makes the team at this point. The whole "Green Bay keeps all their picks" thing is overstated (they cut two last year) and I can't remember a draft pick I heard less about in camp than Glover. If they keep 10, which I doubt, it probably means they still have hopes for Telfort or Jones and Jennings manages to somehow win a roster spot in two weeks worth of practice.

Ok...I see that now. 2 players can start on IR and still return. Pretty big change. I still don't like putting a limit on how many players can go on IR for the whole year, but another story.

1-I don't think you have to worry about Rochelle or Wilson being claimed by another team. They're veterans, they're players who were available and who anyone could have signed and the Packers and each player chose to come back.

Yes...some players got claimed. They're generally...more talented players and less journeymen. Usually not a guy who's nearly 30 who's going into his 9th year and has bounced around from team to team.

Guys like Heath are the types that tend to get claimed. STs and positional value. 
We claimed guys that were Rich Bisachia guys. Dallin Lovett and pretty inconsequential players. Most teams have their rosters set and are looking to keep their own guys. The teams that are claiming players, they're rarely claiming veteran LBs or

And I really don't see them declining to re-sign with the Packers. They're just trying to stick in this league. You get them on the PS, protect them(I really wouldn't even put Rochelle on there, I just don't think he's got that value. I think Wilson has the value to the Packers...so it's probably a good chance he's on the initial 53, but we've seen them cut guys who've been running with the #1s or #2s before. Don Barclay and then one camp...I can't even recall who it was, but it was an OL who'd been with the 1s much of camp and he was cut(not a Sitton or someone of that caliber, not a money saver, just an average player getting reps ahead of better players in the TC hierarchy). 

3-I don't think that's right. I think as soon as you protect a player...they're protected. I don't think there is a one-day window...unless that's changed or I missed it, but how often has that been an issue? 

4-Yeah...3 times as I said. By then, the problem almost always resolves itself. 

5-Well...he's the 5th most important and nobody showed any real interest in him this off-season. We waited until signing him. 

6-I didn't say it was because he was a pick...though that certainly helps him. He was just one of a number of players from the OL I think they'll choose to keep. 

 

My...best guess.

QB(3)-Love, Clifford, Praff

RB(3, maybe 4)-Jacobs, Wilson, Dillon
IR Lloyd(if he's forced to go on IR)

TE(3)-Kraft, Musgrave, Davis

WR(6)-Watson, Wicks, Reed, Doubs, Melton, Dubose
*Heath is the WC. He's a helluva gunner, good blocker and just a really solid WR, last guy cut

OL(9, maybe 10)-Walker, Jenkins, Myers, Morgan, Tom, Telfort, Rhyan, Monk, Dillard
(Jones has 2 games to earn a spot)

DE(5)-Gary, LVN, Smith, Enagbare, Cox

DT(5)-Clark, Slaton, Brooks, Wooden, Wyatt(I think he's the breakout player this year...along with the WRs)

MLB(4) Quay, Cooper, Hopper, McDuffie
"Wilson-Active on Gamedays and Welch may be as well. He's an underrated STs player and I think he's fine as a depth LBer...if for some reason, Wilson gets claimed.

CB(6)-Ja, Stokes, Valentine, Balentine, King, Nixon

S(5)-McKinney, Bullard, Williams, Oladapo, Johnson Jr

ST(3)
K-Carlson keeps his spot
P-Wheelan
LS-...I don't know, haven't watched the snaps, but if they already cut Bowden, that would suggest he won't make it. 

*I think as of now, it'll come down to Wilson at RB IF Lloyd doesn't go on IR. I think Dillon makes it, though he shouldn't. 
And then, 5th LB, 10th OL, 7th WR

 

Ford is probably next...not that there's a huge demand for 1 techs in this offense with Slaton and Clark already there, but he's nice depth.

 

 

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, HarveysWBs said:

Seriously. If this team rosters a kicker that can only muster a low-80s make percentage and we go out in the playoffs because of a missed field goal(s), so help me Gute...

It isn't the 1990's anymore, no one should have to live this way.

UPDATE: And then I go look up Crosby's career percentage and it was...

*pause for dramatic effect*

81.3%!

What do I know? Apparently very little.

Yeah, I think we've been a bit harsh on Carlson.

We all know the missed FG in the playoffs was not on him. The ball was angled away from him. We had poor snaps, holds and he shanked some. 

But a rocky rookie season isn't enough for me to give up on him. He's so smooth from long, I think if we get the rest of the kicking game going, he hits some early, he's going to have a huge year and be a weapon for us from ~60 yards out..in good conditions. 

Anyway, I think they'll ride it out with him and I think we'll be rewarded. Otherwise, I doubt Joseph is going anywhere. 

[CheeseheadInQC]

5 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

3-I don't think that's right. I think as soon as you protect a player...they're protected. I don't think there is a one-day window...unless that's changed or I missed it, but how often has that been an issue? 

https://www.fieldchatter.com/nfl-practice-squad-2022-rules-starting-at-4-00-pm--t127055.html
 

I think it’s always been this way since they implemented the protection rule. Allowing players to not be stuck on a practice squad while preventing a team from planning all week to elevate a player only to see them poached Friday night.

[CheezWizHed]

6 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Ok...I see that now. 2 players can start on IR and still return. Pretty big change. I still don't like putting a limit on how many players can go on IR for the whole year, but another story.

1-I don't think you have to worry about Rochelle or Wilson being claimed by another team. They're veterans, they're players who were available and who anyone could have signed and the Packers and each player chose to come back.

Yes...some players got claimed. They're generally...more talented players and less journeymen. Usually not a guy who's nearly 30 who's going into his 9th year and has bounced around from team to team.

Guys like Heath are the types that tend to get claimed. STs and positional value. 
We claimed guys that were Rich Bisachia guys. Dallin Lovett and pretty inconsequential players. Most teams have their rosters set and are looking to keep their own guys. The teams that are claiming players, they're rarely claiming veteran LBs or

And I really don't see them declining to re-sign with the Packers. They're just trying to stick in this league. You get them on the PS, protect them(I really wouldn't even put Rochelle on there, I just don't think he's got that value. I think Wilson has the value to the Packers...so it's probably a good chance he's on the initial 53, but we've seen them cut guys who've been running with the #1s or #2s before. Don Barclay and then one camp...I can't even recall who it was, but it was an OL who'd been with the 1s much of camp and he was cut(not a Sitton or someone of that caliber, not a money saver, just an average player getting reps ahead of better players in the TC hierarchy). 

3-I don't think that's right. I think as soon as you protect a player...they're protected. I don't think there is a one-day window...unless that's changed or I missed it, but how often has that been an issue? 

4-Yeah...3 times as I said. By then, the problem almost always resolves itself. 

5-Well...he's the 5th most important and nobody showed any real interest in him this off-season. We waited until signing him. 

6-I didn't say it was because he was a pick...though that certainly helps him. He was just one of a number of players from the OL I think they'll choose to keep. 

 

My...best guess.

QB(3)-Love, Clifford, Praff

RB(3, maybe 4)-Jacobs, Wilson, Dillon
IR Lloyd(if he's forced to go on IR)

TE(3)-Kraft, Musgrave, Davis

WR(6)-Watson, Wicks, Reed, Doubs, Melton, Dubose
*Heath is the WC. He's a helluva gunner, good blocker and just a really solid WR, last guy cut

OL(9, maybe 10)-Walker, Jenkins, Myers, Morgan, Tom, Telfort, Rhyan, Monk, Dillard
(Jones has 2 games to earn a spot)

DE(5)-Gary, LVN, Smith, Enagbare, Cox

DT(5)-Clark, Slaton, Brooks, Wooden, Wyatt(I think he's the breakout player this year...along with the WRs)

MLB(4) Quay, Cooper, Hopper, McDuffie
"Wilson-Active on Gamedays and Welch may be as well. He's an underrated STs player and I think he's fine as a depth LBer...if for some reason, Wilson gets claimed.

CB(6)-Ja, Stokes, Valentine, Balentine, King, Nixon

S(5)-McKinney, Bullard, Williams, Oladapo, Johnson Jr

ST(3)
K-Carlson keeps his spot
P-Wheelan
LS-...I don't know, haven't watched the snaps, but if they already cut Bowden, that would suggest he won't make it. 

*I think as of now, it'll come down to Wilson at RB IF Lloyd doesn't go on IR. I think Dillon makes it, though he shouldn't. 
And then, 5th LB, 10th OL, 7th WR

 

Ford is probably next...not that there's a huge demand for 1 techs in this offense with Slaton and Clark already there, but he's nice depth.

 

 

QB - I really doubt we keep three. I'd assume Pratt stays and Clifford goes to the PS.  Clifford has enough tape out there where people won't try to grab him for upside. He'll have a nice career as a backup QB, but I doubt anyone claims him for that. 

RB - We keep all 4 unless Lloyd goes to IR.  Probably keep a 10th OL if Lloyd is on IR and use the PS if we need another. 

TE - We keep four.  Not sure if we keep Sims (blocking) or Wilson (offense), but we use them enough to hold onto more.

WR - Six sounds about right here. I'm not nearly the Heath fan that you are.  He had a high floor for a rookie, but really hasn't grown.  Looks like Dubose passed him and can block also.  I don't see anyone grabbing Heath in waivers. 

OL - That leaves 9 for OL, which should be fine.  The backend of the roster is littered with similarly skilled and unrefined players.  If one is claimed, we have 2 others just like him for the PS (not really a great thing).  I'm hoping for a waiver claim at backup T. 

DE - I'm going with 4 here.  Cox pretty quiet this offseason.  I don't see us holding 10 players for four spots on the DL total.  And Wooden can flex over from DT to play some DE too. 

DT - Same 5.

LB - As before we disagree on Wilson.  I actually think he is more likely to be claimed than Heath or Clifford.  If someone has an LB injured, he would make a perfect option to step in.  Perhaps low probability, but we have zero depth if we lose him. I just think the risk is too much to screw around. 

CB / S - agreed.

K - Really wide open between the two we have plus the waiver wire.  Packers are clearly not comfortable with Carlson/Joseph since they brought in two third kickers this offseason.  Of the kicks I've seen (Family night, Cleveland), I feel better about Joseph, but that is a small sample size of what the coaches are seeing. 

LS - I really hope we are looking at the waiver wire (or at least Bowden to the PS) because Orzech has been about 1/3rd of Carlson's kicking issues.  Dude just isn't consistent. 

P - Same. 

I don't see the team doing much for roster hijinks this year.  The make it/cut lines seems much clearer this year than normal.  And with the ability to put someone on IR (hopefully it remains only Lloyd), they don't need to play that game either.  

I only see some potential waiver claims of our own to make that will shuffle after cuts. 

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

I don't see the team doing much for roster hijinks this year.  The make it/cut lines seems much clearer this year than normal.  And with the ability to put someone on IR (hopefully it remains only Lloyd), they don't need to play that game either.  

I only see some potential waiver claims of our own to make that will shuffle after cuts. 

They may not. There is one player I didn't include that I probably should have...Royce Newman. I think he makes it just based on them restructuring his contract. I know...nobody is a fan at this point for good reason, but the depth is so shallow along the IOL.

Monk played really physical and showed signs of what he's capable of, but he's...just not acclimated to the offense well enough yet. 

 

Wilson, you're probably right. That's just what I'd do. But just watch Heath on punt team as that gunner or just covering kicks. He's at best the 6th best offensive weapon at WR(he's pretty solid, but that's also the deepest group we've had since 2011).

 

Some of the roster hijinks were to get a player to the 53-man and then place them on IR. So that may change it a little bit. Some of it is just the Packers having a higher opinion of a player(Ford being one example) than the fan base does as a whole. They may not think as highly of Dubose for example. It may come down to who's better on STs. Heath and Melton are both dawgs in the run game and on STs. You'd think Dubose would be as it's mainly just efffort, but I don't know

I'm really skeptical given everything Gutey has said about developing QBs and how well Clifford has looked, they'll cut him after a year. He's really only shown he was worth that 5th rd pick. I think we all agree Pratt looks good...so we'll see. 

 

We don't have long to wait now and they'll answer it for us!

[greeg35]

I think the one factor being underappreciated in the Dillon situation is his pass protection.  I've heard people (I'm mostly a podcast listener) mention he's good at it and that helps him, but almost as a throwaway comment. 

A couple of weeks ago the Packers put out a "best of Jordan Love" highlight video from last year.  I wasn't necessarily looking for it, but it stood out how many of the completions were influenced by Dillon blitz pick-ups.  He's REALLY good at it, and is basically like another very mobile offensive lineman back there.  

Combine that with the fact that he's decent catching the ball and he's basically a super weird 3rd down back.  I won't pretend to know how this compares to his competition but my guess is that the Packers value his passing down skills more than how it's being evaluated by journalists/podcasters and fans.

[BrewerFan]

On 8/17/2024 at 7:08 AM, greeg35 said:

I think the one factor being underappreciated in the Dillon situation is his pass protection.  I've heard people (I'm mostly a podcast listener) mention he's good at it and that helps him, but almost as a throwaway comment. 

A couple of weeks ago the Packers put out a "best of Jordan Love" highlight video from last year.  I wasn't necessarily looking for it, but it stood out how many of the completions were influenced by Dillon blitz pick-ups.  He's REALLY good at it, and is basically like another very mobile offensive lineman back there.  

Combine that with the fact that he's decent catching the ball and he's basically a super weird 3rd down back.  I won't pretend to know how this compares to his competition but my guess is that the Packers value his passing down skills more than how it's being evaluated by journalists/podcasters and fans.

That's a great point. That's ALWAYS been a huge focal point for the Packers coaches. If you're going to play RB, you'd better be able to slide over and pick up that free runner. 

I'd bet Wilson is working harder on that than any other aspect of his game. 

And I completely agree, he's better as a 3rd down back than as a workhorse(at least as OUR workhorse). 

 

"he's basically a super weird 3rd down back." Yeah, that...really does sum up AJ Dillon well! LOL...but also , if you do keep him, just change it up and run more downhill power schemes. Use Sims or Davis as the TE...or Kraft, he's a nice blocker. But just get Dillon North and South. 

[yourout]

Using the old A-Rod playbook on third down and short. That means a long throw down the sidelines.

[yourout]

I don't think our second team's going to be able to score against their first team defense.

[young guns]

Do we have any starters or starterish playing today?

[yourout]

Just now, young guns said:

Do we have any starters or starterish playing today?

Very few. Especially on offense.

[Joseph Zarr]

They said the Broncos dominated the Packers in joint practices. This has certainly translated early in this One. 2nd unit D looking like a Barry defense (ducks).

[yourout]

Just now, Joseph Zarr said:

They said the Broncos dominated the Packers in joint practices. This has certainly translated early in this One. 2nd unit D looking like a Barry defense (ducks).

The interior defense is grossly over matched

[Joseph Zarr]

Just now, yourout said:

The interior defense is grossly over matched

If I'm not mistaken, they've had starters in for their O-Line? But, yeah, they are getting zero push.

[yourout]

1 minute ago, Joseph Zarr said:

If I'm not mistaken, they've had starters in for their O-Line? But, yeah, they are getting zero push.

Spencer Waege could get released at halftime. Yikes

[Brian]

Holy Mackerel, You must advertise this because I didn't even know it existed. 

[yourout]

Really hard to judge backups when they're going against number ones.

 

And we're basically playing a soft cover two or three.

[edfunderburk]

I’m concerned that some of these defenders could make the team & actually play when it matters 

[Brian]

4 minutes ago, yourout said:

Spencer Waege could get released at halftime. Yikes

You tell him 300 pounds 6' 5' 

[edfunderburk]

I don’t want to hear: “It’s just preseason - the games don’t count “

[Joseph Zarr]

You can see how utterly raw Van Ness is on the Edge. He doesn't really have a pass rush plan or a set of moves. He is an adonis. Strong as hyeck. BUT, he's pretty much a power bull rush move and then it breaks down. It's a journey not a sprint. We are very much at the start of the race. And, that's OK.

[Joseph Zarr]

3 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

I’m concerned that some of these defenders could make the team & actually play when it matters 

In fairness, I pretty much feel this same thing every pre-season. 😅

[edfunderburk]

Why play these games?

What can be learned about guys wanting to make the team when you play vanilla defense & offense?

Green Bay looks unprepared 

Hope we can avoid injuries in what is a meaningless game & a waste of an evening 

[yourout]

1 minute ago, Joseph Zarr said:

You can see how utterly raw Van Ness is on the Edge. He doesn't really have a pass rush plan or a set of moves. He is an adonis. Strong as hyeck. BUT, he's pretty much a power bull rush move and then it breaks down. It's a journey not a sprint. We are very much at the start of the race. And, that's OK.

Yeah it's going to take a couple years for him to evolve. I wouldn't expect great things from him even then. Hopefully he'll at least be a solid NFL pro