Game 4: Vikings @ Packers - Sunday, Sept 29th at 12PM

[BrewerFan]

1 minute ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Yeah, his throw to Watson into triple coverage in the middle of the field got him injured, several almost jump balls off the back foot to the endzone, too

Watson's was definitely a bad decision. Watson needs to be driving on that ball.

The ball off his back foot in the endzone, again, the one I think of is the throw to Wicks. Wicks HAS to be aware there. That was either 3rd and long or 4th and long, I don't recall, but he knows there's a free runner coming up and you're just giving your guy a 50/50 ball and Wicks never saw it.

 

So Watson was a poor decision, the pick to Wicks not bad IMO. 

The pick where it went off Kraft's hands and then hit Reed(IIRC, maybe Doubs) in the chest, looked like a poor route by one or the other(I'd guess Kraft's depth was off). 

 

Again, I'm not planting my Flag on this hill... that was just my impression overall. I obviously don't think his decision making was perfect, but there were so many balls that he needed to put on guys and he didn't put enough on them. Also, again, the drops. The whole, "who's our #1," seems to be definitively answered by Reed at this point.

 

Good news(thus far) is it SOUNDS like Both Wyatt and Watson suffered sprained ankles. Wyatt frankly is the bigger concern for me. He's our best pass rusher as of now. 

[young guns]

38 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Ok...so the attempt is from the 15 yard line and you just need to get into the endzone to get the ball back?

Yeah, that's more interesting. Maybe split the difference and go 20, but sure, with the back of the endzone, that would help. 

I'm unsure if the onside change you guys are talking about is an actual proposal that has been put forward or more you guys spitballing, but I would like something like that.  Are you saying like a 2 pt from X yard line where if it's converted you get the ball?  Where would you start on offense if you converted?

I'm thinking something like put the yard to gain at the 50 and then you start in your own territory however many yards and if it's converted you start first and 10 where you end up.  I figure the 50 is close to where you would get the ball on a successful onside anyway.  My one concern is a defensive penalty that would come with an automatic first down does that count.  For instance if it's 25 yards you need and a defensive holding penalty is called, does the "kicking" get the ball first and 10 at their 30 or is that too harsh and its now an attempt the 30 like an offsides would be.

[young guns]

8 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

The ball off his back foot in the endzone, again, the one I think of is the throw to Wicks. Wicks HAS to be aware there. That was either 3rd and long or 4th and long, I don't recall, but he knows there's a free runner coming up and you're just giving your guy a 50/50 ball and Wicks never saw it.

If that was the int to the endzone you are referring to, that was sadly a first and 10.  You might have mixed up the 4th down play to Wicks where he was interfered with and didn't get the call on the 4th and 8.

[BrewerFan]

9 minutes ago, young guns said:

I'm unsure if the onside change you guys are talking about is an actual proposal that has been put forward or more you guys spitballing, but I would like something like that.  Are you saying like a 2 pt from X yard line where if it's converted you get the ball?  Where would you start on offense if you converted?

I'm thinking something like put the yard to gain at the 50 and then you start in your own territory however many yards and if it's converted you start first and 10 where you end up.  I figure the 50 is close to where you would get the ball on a successful onside anyway.  My one concern is a defensive penalty that would come with an automatic first down does that count.  For instance if it's 25 yards you need and a defensive holding penalty is called, does the "kicking" get the ball first and 10 at their 30 or is that too harsh and its now an attempt the 30 like an offsides would be.

No, I'm just going off what people are throwing out. When someone said 4th and 15, I was thinking you'd have to take the ball on your own...~20 or so to try it, otherwise, it's just too likely to be converted. I'd guess you'd convert 1/5 of them. 

 

But I don't know of any proposal, just picking up from what other people are throwing out. I wouldn't have it at the 50 though as I don't think that's punitive enough. To give the losing team that much bigger of a chance, I think it has to be back from your own 20. 

 

5 minutes ago, young guns said:

If that was the int to the endzone you are referring to, that was sadly a first and 10.  You might have mixed up the 4th down play to Wicks where he was interfered with and didn't get the call on the 4th and 8.

Yeah, I'm talking about the play where Wicks was one on one and they bring...I believe it was Harrison Smith on a blitz. I'm fine giving your guy a play on the ball there. Especially with no Safety help.

If it's 1st down, I might prefer a back-shoulder, but I don't think that decision is an inherently bad one, and particularly not down...whatever it was, 21 at that point(or was it 28-14?).

 

In any event, I haven't lost any confidence in Love or this team. I don't think they've had a great start...but I think they'll be fine. I'd put money on them beating the Rams next week. But, now you've lost to two teams you're going to be battling for position for in the NFC and more importantly a division game. 

 

In the larger picture though, Minnesota is a scary team. If they keep Florres(not sure if he'll get another HC'ing job with his lawsuit, but I'd definitely give him one if I was a team with a good QB) with Kevin O'Connell, they've got a great staff and that GM has really done a great job in a relatively short period of time. The North is turning into a very good division with the Lions, Vikings and then the Bears will really have trouble screwing this up and not at least becoming a competent organization. 

[BrewerFan]

This was the type of look I was...REALLY thinking(and remain hopeful) we'll see from Hafley. 

The Packers with Jaire and Valentine are clearly more talented on that side of the ball. But imagine putting Nixon, Quay, and Edggerin Cooper up on the LOS with Gary, Clark, Wyatt, and LVN? 

I am pretty happy with the style of defense we're playing, it's better than Barry's...but I'd like to crank that up a notch and hopefully Edge Cooper on 3rd down with Quay will allow us to do this more. 

He did dial up some really nice pressures. Nixon and Quay had easy sacks. That's just good scheming, but...a little more wouldn't make me upset!

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think they will end up OK eventually. 

They need a real kicker though. Shouldn't take 3 years to find a kicker.

[homer]

The Vikings will implode. it is in their nature. 

As for Narveson, his misses are all the same - straight right. Obviously it's still concerning but that seems like a mechanical thing you can fix. 

[adambr2]

10 minutes ago, homer said:

The Vikings will implode. it is in their nature. 

As for Narveson, his misses are all the same - straight right. Obviously it's still concerning but that seems like a mechanical thing you can fix. 

If his kicks go in I really don't care if he aims for the left upright for the rest of his career. But he needs to figure it out like, immediately. When you have 4 misses after 4 games and no track record to fall back on you are already on borrowed time in the NFL. 

[Brian]

14 hours ago, edfunderburk said:

This one is over

When is the last time Green Bay came back from 21 points down?

No way we win today
 

Good question I had to look. 

Sun, Dec 15, 2013 @ Dallas Cowboys. Packers came back 23 points down. Aaron Rodgers QB. 

[adambr2]

There's a little bit of an elephant in the room that Gary and Clark were huge investments on defense that to this point are not paying dividends. 

With Gary in particular really not even at what should be the prime of his career yet, I think a lot of us expected him to continue to improve and perhaps become one of the premiere edge rushers in the NFL. 

Not only is he not that, he's taken a step back if anything. 

[Joseph Zarr]

2 hours ago, adambr2 said:

There's a little bit of an elephant in the room that Gary and Clark were huge investments on defense that to this point are not paying dividends. 

With Gary in particular really not even at what should be the prime of his career yet, I think a lot of us expected him to continue to improve and perhaps become one of the premiere edge rushers in the NFL. 

Not only is he not that, he's taken a step back if anything. 

You could even say a major step back. His 2024 pressure rates through 4 GP is drastically lower than his previous two seasons. I'd say it is concerning.

[CheezWizHed]

I can understand the first two games... we were playing "containment" for pass rush.  The Titans was equally hard to gauge because they didn't have a legit NFL RT.  Though Gary had a nice game, not outstanding.  Against the Vikings, he really didn't do much of anything for pass rush. 

He really isn't the dominant take-over-the-game type player like we hope.  

[Joseph Zarr]

2 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

I can understand the first two games... we were playing "containment" for pass rush.  The Titans was equally hard to gauge because they didn't have a legit NFL RT.  Though Gary had a nice game, not outstanding.  Against the Vikings, he really didn't do much of anything for pass rush. 

He really isn't the dominant take-over-the-game type player like we hope.  

Yeah. It's weird. 1 sack over his past 13 games is just absurdly poor production from a guy who is supposed to be one of the core and core leaders on the defense. Before, at least, we had tons of pressure. This season, he's  a near complete non-factor in that department.

 

[BrewerFan]

On 9/30/2024 at 11:45 AM, adambr2 said:

There's a little bit of an elephant in the room that Gary and Clark were huge investments on defense that to this point are not paying dividends. 

With Gary in particular really not even at what should be the prime of his career yet, I think a lot of us expected him to continue to improve and perhaps become one of the premiere edge rushers in the NFL. 

Not only is he not that, he's taken a step back if anything. 

Yeah...Gary wasn't always getting sacks, but he was getting pressures and he was stout vs the run. He's been very average this year(at best). I'd be fine with this production from Enagbare, not Gary. 

Clark has been bad as well. 

Curious why Wooden hasn't played, though I assume he'll be active this week. 

Wyatt has been so important, they'll need guys to step up. 

 

[greeg35]

On 10/1/2024 at 4:12 PM, BrewerFan said:

Yeah...Gary wasn't always getting sacks, but he was getting pressures and he was stout vs the run. He's been very average this year(at best). I'd be fine with this production from Enagbare, not Gary. 

Clark has been bad as well. 

Curious why Wooden hasn't played, though I assume he'll be active this week. 

Wyatt has been so important, they'll need guys to step up. 

 

I'm no expert but I'd never say he was "stout" against the run.  In the past I saw him overrunning plays chasing sacks.  Could the change be they're simply asking him to be more disciplined in setting the edge?

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, greeg35 said:

I'm no expert but I'd never say he was "stout" against the run.  In the past I saw him overrunning plays chasing sacks.  Could the change be they're simply asking him to be more disciplined in setting the edge?

No, he's been very good vs the run. He's struggled to get out of his own lane vs. running quarterbacks and they've picked up a lot of yards...A wide rush for example of jumping inside and someone like Fields gets outside. That's what they said 2 weeks in they'd been asking the DEs to work on. Doesn't explain the lack of pressures the last two weeks though. 

But he's been great at getting pressures and really good vs the run.

I don't really know how well he's played the run this year aside from a couple plays he's looked good, but very little pass rush. 

 

His job vs both the run and the pass should be easier in a 4-3. Instead of being responsible for two gaps, he's responsible for one. I think he'll be fine, but he's not been the player we need thus far in '24.