Mets (Severino) vs Brewers (Peralta): 10/1/24, 4:32pm

[StearnsFTW]

1 hour ago, GoBrewers1982 said:

Wanted to watch a good playoff game today and couldn’t! Had a very bad feeling about Peralta. Not an ACE for sure, maybe a 3. Had a great first, absolutely horrible 2nd, like he has early on in games.  Horrible lineup! Did not make any sense at all. Blame this sickening game mostly on Peralta! and our Rookie! coach. 

You're gonna fit in just fine.

[adambr2]

19 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

No it's not.  Gimme a break.

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. 

They completely folded up shop after the Mets 5th which in turn made the rest of the series harder on them by not putting any pressure on the Mets' pen.

Would be different if they had battled back, made the Mets work and lost 8-6 after a good rally, but that's the opposite of what happened. 

[82brewcrew82]

54 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I mean we cannot outspend any of our playoff competition to assemble a 26 man roster, so if we are only expecting to advance if we can match up talent wise in any playoff series, we had better keep our hopes and aspirations low.

I have major, major beef with the level of player that Pat Murphy apparently believes Jake Bauers is when he assembles his lineups, but other than that, this was as winnable of a playoff matchup as we could have asked for. 

Until MLB starts going March Madness playoff style and seeding the whole league #1-#30, we are going to need to beat a good team to advance one of these times. 

Yeah, it's a problem.

[Recovering Chicagoan]

Two bad innings -- one worse than the other. But, heck, all it takes is one bad inning to lose a game.

[rickh150]

I thought Bauer was an asset on defense….yet Hoskins played 1B and Bauer is DH? 

[yourout]

4 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

I thought Bauer was an asset on defense….yet Hoskins played 1B and Bauer is DH? 

I made that point as well. If you have to have Bauers in the lineup then he should be at 1st....not Hoskins.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

1 hour ago, gypcasino said:

Equally depressed 

Proud, 5x WS Champion

Proud, 5x WS Champion

Better, 2 WS appearances this century 

Super proud, 9x WS Champion 

 

Not going to disagree with your perspective because I get it. If WS championships are the measuring stick for a successful organization, this isn't one.

It's just not my measuring stick because, if it were, this would be a miserable experience.

The Brewers have been around for 55 years? What are the odds a team wins a WS entering the season? 2% for the Brewers? Some years a little higher? Some years lower? At 3 percent, you'd expect to win 1 in every 33 years, but it wouldn't be at all unusual to not see one for 100 years or more, especially if you simulate seasons out to huge sample sizes. That's how variance works. At 2 percent, you'd expect one WS every 50 years. I'll say this, having been around for the mid-90s and early 2000s, those teams were probably clocking under 2 percent....

Point is, it's really not that weird to not have a WS. We're not the only team that doesn't! I understand the emotional truth of "you'd think we'd have won one!" (I feel it too), but it doesn't line up with the mathematical truth, even for the best-run team in baseball, especially in a sport with an unequal economic structure.

 

[adambr2]

I really hope we win tomorrow. 

Nothing about how we have responded to playoff pressure or elimination games indicates to me that tomorrow is going to be any different and that our season won't be over in 24 hours. 

I certainly hope to be wrong. It's really disappointing to just be hoping to win a singular playoff game because you can't remember the last time that actually happened. 

[82brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

Not going to disagree with your perspective because I get it. If WS championships are the measuring stick for a successful organization, this isn't one.

It's just not my measuring stick because, if it were, this would be a miserable experience.

The Brewers have been around for 55 years? What are the odds a team wins a WS entering the season? 2% for the Brewers? Some years a little higher? Some years lower? At 3 percent, you'd expect to win 1 in every 33 years, but it wouldn't be at all unusual to not see one for 100 years or more, especially if you simulate seasons out to huge sample sizes. That's how variance works. At 2 percent, you'd expect one WS every 50 years. I'll say this, having been around for the mid-90s and early 2000s, those teams were probably clocking under 2 percent....

Point is, it's really not that weird to not have a WS. We're not the only team that doesn't! I understand the emotional truth of "you'd think we'd have won one!" (I feel it too), but it doesn't line up with the mathematical truth, even for the best-run team in baseball, especially in a sport with an unequal economic structure.

 

I mean, OK, but this really seems like the emotional protectionism, which you assigned to others who care about winning championships, under the guise of a reasoned response.  The whole point is to win championships.  Full stop.  Why else exist as a professional sports franchise.  Even if you don't buy that then at least winning a playoff series.  I mean, some level of post season success is necessary at some point if you are going to claim to be the best run organization in the league.  At some point you have to back that up with something other than being the playoff springboard for teams that win.

If your goal is simply to not suck, then this would be a pretty boring hobby.

[bigred]

Same as always. Play great in the regular season, then flop in the playoffs. Sigh!.....

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 hours ago, yourout said:

I made that point as well. If you have to have Bauers in the lineup then he should be at 1st....not Hoskins.

The thing is, you're likely to hit for Bauers if a LHP enters, unless they're leading. In that case, if he's at 1B & Hoskins is DHing then Sanchez has to play 1B unless you put Hoskins there & then you lose the DH. Bauers certainly is the better defender, but that's why they do it that way.

[BlightyBrew]

The only thing this game proved tonight is that the series is going to go the full three games.

We have competed all season long.  It's not over till it's over.  Nobody is going to hand as a World Championship.  The Brewers are going to have to fight uphill all the way.

That journey begins in game 2.

Just win.

[SomewhereInTime]

4 hours ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

I mean, OK, but this really seems like the emotional protectionism, which you assigned to others who care about winning championships, under the guise of a reasoned response.  The whole point is to win championships.  Full stop.  Why else exist as a professional sports franchise.  Even if you don't buy that then at least winning a playoff series.  I mean, some level of post season success is necessary at some point if you are going to claim to be the best run organization in the league.  At some point you have to back that up with something other than being the playoff springboard for teams that win.

If your goal is simply to not suck, then this would be a pretty boring hobby.

Yeah but there's nothing more that can be done than try to build a team to have a great regular season and hope for the best.  This postseason system is terrible.  Any team can win one or two games against any other team and in the postseason when teams are this close together every series is a coinflip.  Sure I think the brewers may be slightly better than the mets this year and if they played this one thousand times in the longrun, the brewers win the series 53% of the time.  But there is no long run.  It's one series.  Anything can happen.

[willie key]

7 hours ago, StearnsFTW said:

Make it $1000.

 

But I'll accept 10 if you're giving it away. 

Sure.   But if you understand odds and betting.   My $10 to your $1000 sounds about right

[StearnsFTW]

3 hours ago, willie key said:

Sure.   But if you understand odds and betting.   My $10 to your $1000 sounds about right

Not what you proposed.

[MrTPlush]

Different year, same story...losing to a $200mil+ payroll. It is hard to really care at some point. 

[SF70]

8 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

Different year, same story...losing to a $200mil+ payroll. It is hard to really care at some point. 

We have a decade of winning ahead of us with most of those seasons having a better team than the current one, so hang in there and eventually we will be rewarded with a title, maybe even 2.

We have the smartest FO in the game, which matters far more than payroll.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

4 minutes ago, SF70 said:

We have a decade of winning ahead of us with most of those seasons having a better team than the current one, so hang in there and eventually we will be rewarded with a title, maybe even 2.

We have the smartest FO in the game, which matters far more than payroll.

NO ONE expected anything out of the Brewers this year. House money.

[Brock Beauchamp]

13 hours ago, TURBO said:

I fully believe that we win tomorrow's game, only to be gut punched on Thursday.

Begs the question, would we rather lose the series in 2, or draw it out, only to be psychologically devastated after 3 games?

I'll even go as far as to say that if we win tomorrow, I can see us winning the series on Thursday...

I will always take more games in the postseason.  

[Sixtolezcano]

10 hours ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

The whole point is to win championships.  Full stop.  Why else exist as a professional sports franchise. 

From a fan’s perspective, Yes. However, the fan is only a very small part of the equation. Baseball is in the entertainment industry and all that really matters to the most important people of a team is making as much money as possible. This group would include the owners and believe it or not the BALLPLAYERS. If winning a World Series was most important why woulddn’t Attanasio sign Burnes, Adames, or every other free agent he possibly could….cuz tha almighty dollar and profit overrides everything else.

[82brewcrew82]

42 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

From a fan’s perspective, Yes. However, the fan is only a very small part of the equation. Baseball is in the entertainment industry and all that really matters to the most important people of a team is making as much money as possible. This group would include the owners and believe it or not the BALLPLAYERS. If winning a World Series was most important why woulddn’t Attanasio sign Burnes, Adames, or every other free agent he possibly could….cuz tha almighty dollar and profit overrides everything else.

I understand your perspective.  It's a bit too cynical for me and I don't agree with it, but I get it. 

Every business in the world operates under constraints aimed at making a profit.  That doesn't preclude them from wanting to be the best at whatever it is they do.  Every significant organization started off as an industry dis-rupter and had to find creative ways to compete in order to rise to the top.  The Brewers are an industry dis-rupter.  So yeah, profit matters and it always will.

Having said that, the Brewers do things that are not profit conducive but rather are aimed at winning.  The pour millions into player development, particularly Latin America, that they don't have to.  Certainly they could keep that money as profit, other teams do rather than reinvest in the product.  No, this is purely a move to find ways to compete.

I would argue that the fans are the largest part of driving winning, particularly championships.  Without the fans, none of it exists.  If every Brewer fan stopped going to games, watching on TV and buying merch, they would become the Portland Brewers very quickly.

[82brewcrew82]

2 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

NO ONE expected anything out of the Brewers this year. House money.

OK, so everyone was wrong and that became clear very early on.  This Brewers started hot and never really looked back.  At some point the expectations have to change based on that performance.

[82brewcrew82]

7 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Yeah but there's nothing more that can be done than try to build a team to have a great regular season and hope for the best.  This postseason system is terrible.  Any team can win one or two games against any other team and in the postseason when teams are this close together every series is a coinflip.  Sure I think the brewers may be slightly better than the mets this year and if they played this one thousand times in the longrun, the brewers win the series 53% of the time.  But there is no long run.  It's one series.  Anything can happen.

Whether anything more can be done to build a better team more suitable for postseason play is debatable.  Whether the system is flawed or not is irrelevant.  It's the system we have and the system they will be judged against.  If anything can happen, why does the same thing keep happening?

[jay87shot]

What happen to Payamps getting to the bag so late on that big play at 1st? For me, that was the big play of the game.

Any chance Ashby was tipping pitches, especially with Stearns and a handful of guys who have played for us? With how good his stuff looked last night (i get location wasn't as crisp as possible) I find it hard he gave up 4 hits like that just off luck. 

I get pulling Peralta early after the poor inning he had but it did look like he settled down well in the 3rd and 4th. I guess I would have like to see him at least come out for the 5th and if he got into any kind of trouble have a short leash. I guess at least he will be available for Game 1 after we win these next 2 games.

[tmwiese55]

Just don't get pulling so early after he'd been fine the last two innings.

And yes sure if Chourio catches that it changes things.  But remember the first out was a rocket to the wall that chourio saved. Then the one he botched was also hit super hard.  Yes he should've caught but the pitcher gave up two very hard hit balls.  Also, for those not at the stadium the sun was in a brutal spot for Chourio and had to be a factor in him missing that.    Just think they overhthought it too much.  Its not like they have 2018 Hader Burns Woodruff multi inning guys virtually unhittable to be going to the pen so early.   

Also wonder how the two first pitch outs with runners on after pitching is scuffling could've changed the game. Of course they could still get out and changes nothing but who knows.  One more hit in one of those innings might've changed the course of the game