Orioles at Brewers; Wednesday, May 21 @ 12:10 p.m.: Chad Patrick (3.35 ERA, 3.66 FIP) vs. Tomoyuki Sugano (3.08 ERA, 4.85 FIP)

[edfunderburk]

I despise the decision to put Payamps in when the game was winnable. That is 100% on Murphy. This loss (as well as several others) is completely on him. 

[wiguy94]

Murphy's horrific in game management and bullpen management has been so exposed this year with a worse team.

[Bulldogboy]

Team has 20 big league players but the 6 who aren't are killing them.

[edfunderburk]

Just now, RobertCrawley said:

Yeah, but this is different. Yeli isn't just an employee. It's a hard but necessary conversation.

I disagree. Not only is he “just an employee” he is an “underperforming employee.”

Pride & yesterday’s contributions cannot factor in to today’s decisions. We are losing games because no one has the backbone to make essential, hard decisions. 

[Brewer77]

3 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

BP fail today.  Ruined a nice start by Cy Patrick.

More like offense fail today. 3 runs in 9 innings against this Orioles staff is poor

[BruisedCrew]

3 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

We would be much improved if he (a) spent significant time on the bench, & (b) was moved to the bottom of the order IF he has to play

I doubt if they would be much improved, if they would be improved at all, when you factor in who would be playing in his place. 
 

This team is full of holes and Yelich is just one of them.

[edfunderburk]

2 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Murphy's horrific in game management and bullpen management has been so exposed this year with a worse team.

It happened last year too … but the team was better & covered several of his poor decisions. 

[edfunderburk]

Just now, BruisedCrew said:

I doubt if they would be much improved, if they would be improved at all, when you factor in who would be playing in his place. 
 

This team is full of holes and Yelich is just one of them.

Replace the phrase “much improved” with “better served” 

[edfunderburk]

2 minutes ago, Brewer77 said:

Ruined a nice start by Cy Patrick

Ruined another nice start by Patrick

He has pitched much better than his record indicates 

Today’s loss is on the manager

[edfunderburk]

Today’s game is another example of “wasting time” on a team that is mediocre at best. I pray management doesn’t trade for a stopgap player (or two) to address their many shortcomings. The time to do that was the offseason. Please FO - don’t panic & send any quality prospects to other teams as a bandaid for cancer. Let this team sink, get a better draft pick, & reconvene in 2026. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

I get that today's game has made pitching more of a specialty and emphasized quick hooks on starters...but at some point the Brewers have to get more innings out of their rotation and stop the nightly use of almost the entire bullpen.  It's not even Memorial Day and key relievers are borderline torched right now.

 

Also, there's alot of garbage sitting on the 40 man roster that needs to be exchanged for guys sitting in AAA and AA right now - starting service time clocks be damned.

[Brewer77]

5 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Ruined another nice start by Patrick

He has pitched much better than his record indicates 

Today’s loss is on the manager

Murphy has his share of the blame, but there’s only so much a manager can do when your starters give you 5 innings and your offense is incapable of blowing a game open

[edfunderburk]

Because Murphy managed poorly again today, we go into Pittsburgh to face an inferior team with our bullpen burned out. In order to win this weekend, we need to make some roster adjustments & get rid of some of the bottom of the roster players. An IL stint for a player or two may be necessary as well. 

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, Bulldogboy said:

The bullpen management this year could cost them a shot at a wildcard. It's terrible day in and day out.

The Brewers are only better than 4 teams in the NL. The injuries and offensive inconsistencies haven’t ruined their season yet, but the deck is getting further stacked against them with each loss.

[Ro Mueller]

I think I’d have preferred Misiorowski on 5 days’ rest today, Patrick on 5 days’ rest tomorrow.

And maybe don’t throw Mears a second inning when you’ve got McGee completely fresh.

Of course, I also wouldn’t have let Durbin hit late. I can’t help but feel this may give us false confidence in him going forward. But maybe that’s just me being negative.

Oh well. Well done to Patrick, Durbin, Hoskins and Chourio. Hopefully CF-Rod has a good outing tomorrow. Kind of need it.

[RobertCrawley]

20 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

I disagree. Not only is he “just an employee” he is an “underperforming employee.”

Pride & yesterday’s contributions cannot factor in to today’s decisions. We are losing games because no one has the backbone to make essential, hard decisions. 

We do think a lot differently about this. Any long term employee who has brought a lot to the business over the years has earned some consideration.  That’s how I’d run the pop stand.  

[wiguy94]

15 minutes ago, Brewer77 said:

Murphy has his share of the blame, but there’s only so much a manager can do when your starters give you 5 innings and your offense is incapable of blowing a game open

I mean Murphy is pulling starters earlier than they have to be pulled because of his "win today" motto. Patrick did not need to be pulled after 89 pitches today.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Bulldogboy said:

The bullpen situation is so tiresome. We keep using 7 guys a night when we are giving up 3 runs or less. Makes zero sense. 

 A big part of the reason why we give up three runs or less might just be that we create favorable matchups by using multiple pitchers. Don't get me wrong; It frustrates me too when we constantly seem to be in 'overworked' mode in the BP. Somehow, someway we need to get beyond starters being pulled in the 5th & 6th innings. It would help if they had a margin for error (3-4 run lead) but that seldom happens, and if someone is available out of the pen then we're in "win today" mode.

The other thing that can be exasperating is constantly using someone for only one inning. But today we saw why. Mears throws six pitches to get out of the 7th. I'd have run him back out there too. But being trained to warm up quickly, pitch, and sit doesn't seem to jibe with getting back up again. Some guys can do it but it looks like most of our 'winning BP' guys aren't in that mold. Or we don't want them to be because then you lose someone for 2-3 games.

But IMO it all comes back to getting 6 or more out of your starter, a lot more often than what's happening now.

[edfunderburk]

5 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

We do think a lot differently about this. Any long term employee who has brought a lot to the business over the years has earned some consideration.  That’s how I’d run the pop stand.  

He’s been well compensated for his contributions of yesteryear. He’s hurting the team in his present inability to perform at even an average level. 
 

I’m grateful for how awesome he was in his prime, but he is so far below average right now that he needs to sit or go on the IL & mentally rehab. 
 

The last three years of his contract are going to be brutal unless MA & Arnold agree to cut their losses & eat that abysmal contract. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

6 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

We do think a lot differently about this. Any long term employee who has brought a lot to the business over the years has earned some consideration.  That’s how I’d run the pop stand.  

That "consideration" for past performance is honestly the guaranteed $$$ left on his contract over the next few seasons - by playing almost everyday and hitting in the heart of the batting order, Yelich is costing the Brewers wins (below replacement level player), hitting in the heart of the order with an OPS that only pitchers would blush at.  He'd be more valuable to them just cashing checks and giving his roster spot to a different player, unfortunately.

At this point, if he isn't injured and can be IL'd, Yelich shouldn't be the DH on this team when he's not playing in left.  The team needs a day off from him in the lineup when he's not in the field more than any sort of value keeping his bat in the lineup provides at DH.

[RobertCrawley]

34 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

I despise the decision to put Payamps in when the game was winnable. That is 100% on Murphy. This loss (as well as several others) is completely on him. 

I disagree. Payamps was terrible for a while, and lately he has been very good. It's a perfectly rational decision to put Payamps in, believing he's still pitching well. It was a tough spot, but Payamps didn't get it done. 

[wiguy94]

Honestly I'd can Murphy before he does to Anderson, Uribe, Koenig, Mears what he did to Hudson last year. Since those guys were activated to the ML roster this is how much they've been used relative to MLB (not including today).

Anderson - 8th in IP
Uribe - 1st in G, 13th in IP
Mears - 1st in G
Koenig - 2nd in G

 

Just insane usage because Murphy refuses to use his B/C arms any time it's a close game. If you aren't going to can Murphy then give him arms he is going to trust more.

DFA Payamps. He's pitched better after an awful start to the year but just DFA him. He's getting non-tendered in the offseason either way because we aren't paying a middle reliever $5M a year. Murphy doesn't trust him unless he's basically the last arm available. Get him off the roster.

Need to get Hall and Ashby back who Murphy trusts and both should be capable of going multiple innings.

[RobertCrawley]

1 minute ago, edfunderburk said:

He’s been well compensated for his contributions of yesteryear. He’s hurting the team in his present inability to perform at even an average level. 
 

I’m grateful for how awesome he was in his prime, but he is so far below average right now that he needs to sit or go on the IL & mentally rehab. 
 

The last three years of his contract are going to be brutal unless MA & Arnold agree to cut their losses & eat that abysmal contract. 

"That's what the money's for!"

I agree with you, but I also think he's owed a conversation as a Brewer great.

[edfunderburk]

1 minute ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Yelich would be more valuable to them just cashing checks and giving his roster spot to a different player, unfortunately.

💯 agree 💪👏🙌

[edfunderburk]

1 minute ago, RobertCrawley said:

I disagree. Payamps was terrible for a while, and lately he has been very good. It's a perfectly rational decision to put Payamps in, believing he's still pitching well. It was a tough spot, but Payamps didn't get it done. 

The beauty of a forum - different opinions shared respectfully. I like that about you.