Giants (Ray) vs Brewers (TBD): 8/24/25, 1:10pm

[RobertCrawley]

Is the consensus here that Murph should have given Durbin the AB instead of Siegler. Durbin is hitting .167 in the last 7 games. .189 in the last 15. 

[Brian]

5 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

Is the consensus here that Murph should have given Durbin the AB instead of Siegler. Durbin is hitting .167 in the last 7 games. .189 in the last 15. 

Yes, because 7 games isn't crap Durbin is a better hitter. I don't see Seigler ever being good.

[RobertCrawley]

5 minutes ago, Brian said:

Yes, because 7 games isn't crap Durbin is a better hitter.

He's hitting below .189 in the last 15 games. Siegler is .200 in the least 7, and .211 in the last 15 games. And then you also factor in righty/lefty.

Who knows what would have happened. That's mindless speculation. But the numbers are the numbers.

To me, the reason we lost is our closer couldn't throw his best pitch.

[edfunderburk]

22 minutes ago, Nola Beery said:

I'm not going to blame Murphy (except maybe for the Seigler/Durbin thing).  We have only the players the front office gives us, and those clods need to show they deserve to be here.  So far they ain't done so.

Murphy chose to bat a worthless Bauers & followed that boneheaded decision by replacing Durbin

[kevinisaname]

1 minute ago, RobertCrawley said:

He's hitting below .189 in the last 15 games. Siegler is .200 in the least 7, and .211 in the last 15 games. And then you also factor in righty/lefty.

Who knows what would have happened. That's mindless speculation. But the numbers are the numbers.

2/4 with a home run today. That's all I care about. I'm not saying it lost us the game because odds are Durbin would have failed, but putting in a guy who hasn't even hit a double this season was a bit crazy in my eyes.

[RWeeksFan23]

 pinch-hitting Siegler for Durbin was the right call. Just didn't work out. Both are mediocre options against good pitching.

[Jim French Stepstool]

6 minutes ago, Brian said:

Mona is better than Siegler in my opinion. 

Mona is fine when you look around at utility guys on other rosters. But I'd really love to have a serious sit down with someone in the FO about Kiner-Falefa & if they inquired about him. He's in his last year, Pittsburgh is going nowhere, and it isn't like we were outbid for him because he's still with the Pirates. And it makes little sense to think they'd want to keep him for the last two months. Plus he can play 3B & SS. Unless he's some kind of clubhouse pariah I don't get it. At this point in his career he isn't a world-beater but was the closest thing to a Hairston JR or Ray Durham-type pickup. 

These FO guys don't miss a trick; they do this for a living. Had to be a reason. I'd just like to know what it was.

[Jim French Stepstool]

14 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

Is the consensus here that Murph should have given Durbin the AB instead of Siegler. Durbin is hitting .167 in the last 7 games. .189 in the last 15. 

Yes, but two hits today. It's not the slam dunk call many probably think, but I'd have stayed with Durbin.

[RobertCrawley]

Just now, Jim French Stepstool said:

Yes, but two hits today. It's not the slam dunk call many probably think, but I'd have stayed with Durbin.

I can definitely see that. It's the difference between going with numbers and trends and going with one's gut.

[Jim French Stepstool]

6 minutes ago, kevinisaname said:

2/4 with a home run today. That's all I care about. I'm not saying it lost us the game because odds are Durbin would have failed, but putting in a guy who hasn't even hit a double this season was a bit crazy in my eyes.

IF Frelick was trying to pick up a SB there, you get a little bit of an edge w/a LHH at the plate. But I don't think he was ever going.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

37 minutes ago, FidoMcCokefiend said:

I don't think you'll have to worry about the Brewers being between 4 and 7 games up in the standings much longer. 

And yet it if we were 5 games behind, nobody would be acting like it's a sure thing we'd win the division. 

[kevinisaname]

Just now, Jim French Stepstool said:

IF Frelick was trying to pick up a SB there, you get a little bit of an edge w/a LHH at the plate. But I don't think he was ever going.

Yeah, it appeared that Sal was never going, so I'd prefer Durbin to possibly plug one in the gap. This was a failure on Megill and the offense for not doing enough since the Reds series, though.

[willie key]

7 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

And yet it if we were 5 games behind, nobody would be acting like it's a sure thing we'd win the division. 

Because I would look at the lineup and schedule and see that it isn’t going to happen

[wibadgers23]

Our pitching has been kinda crappy lately and we're just not stringing together those clutch hits like we were during our most recent streak.

[Jim French Stepstool]

41 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Another wasted afternoon because our manager decided to tinker

Of course, if Megill had pitched well it wouldn’t have mattered 

Ugly & unnecessary loss

On the surface Megill threw too many FBs. But Chapman showed absolutely no proclivity to get on top of anything hard yesterday or today, and hits a FB for a double. And with Ramos on deck (0-4) I could see Lee being---not pitched around, but certainly stay away from anything he can barrel. Then with the bases loaded, of course Ramos hits one hard in a R vs R matchup.

Don't even get me started on Matos. Two HRs & almost a 3rd this weekend. Got him to hit one on the ground? No worries, son, that'll find a hole too. It was his world all weekend.

[Jim French Stepstool]

39 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Turns out it takes more than the power of friendship to make a deep run in the playoffs.

When, exactly, were we eliminated in the playoffs?

[RobertCrawley]

5 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

On the surface Megill threw too many FBs. But Chapman showed absolutely no proclivity to get on top of anything hard yesterday or today, and hits a FB for a double. And with Ramos on deck (0-4) I could see Lee being---not pitched around, but certainly stay away from anything he can barrel. Then with the bases loaded, of course Ramos hits one hard in a R vs R matchup.

Don't even get me started on Matos. Two HRs & almost a 3rd this weekend. Got him to hit one on the ground? No worries, son, that'll find a hole too. It was his world all weekend.

He killed us.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

35 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

I can just imagine what some of the posts look like on here. I'll just bring up something from my college hoops fandom. There have been times when my team is playing a tough game on the road, has a lead, and the home team is making a run. Honestly, my reaction is often along the lines of 'good, it's a character builder. Let's see how they respond.' Different age group, different sport, but there are similarities. The worst thing about today is you used your 8th & ninth inning guys, they were both extended--largely through no fault of their own AFA command is concerned--and lost the game. Outside of the way he worked Adames, who suddenly seems to have some plate discipline, Patrick was pretty good.

I didn't like Jansens' AB with the runner on 2nd & no one out, and while Lockridge is very capable in CF Perkins is elite. You could ask why he wasn't out there late. May or may not have made a difference.

Really two of three games in this series Murph refused to sub out Lockridge for Perk. That's a bad move and a mistake on his part. I get he loves Lockridge. I honestly do too. But Perk is really a key part of this team, and should be playing late in tight games. Feels a little like Murph is cheating on him with a new crush.

I've said it before. The division wasn't over when we were down big in June, it wasn't over when we went up 9, and it ain't over now. But we are in a good spot. More than that, this season has been awesome. And we will be playing in October. After that, it's all random, and even winning one series will feel glorious regardless of the circumstances. If there's one thing I've learned from decades of daily sports passion, it's that the outcome doesn't actually matter as much we pretend it does.

[willie key]

Too bad for Patrick.   He gutted it out for us today.    

[Brian]

1 hour ago, RobertCrawley said:

Is the consensus here that Murph should have given Durbin the AB instead of Siegler. Durbin is hitting .167 in the last 7 games. .189 in the last 15. 

Durbin was 2-4 TODAY!  Who gives a monkeys butt what he did the previous week. I seen that post like 8 stinking times now. Murphy does not believe in him for some reason. But Siegler? He will be lucky if he is even in the bigs next season. 

[BruisedCrew]

55 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

Is the consensus here that Murph should have given Durbin the AB instead of Siegler. Durbin is hitting .167 in the last 7 games. .189 in the last 15. 

 

42 minutes ago, RWeeksFan23 said:

 pinch-hitting Siegler for Durbin was the right call. Just didn't work out. Both are mediocre options against good pitching.

I would go with the guy who had a double against Webb yesterday and a HR and double off Ray today over a guy who has ZERO extra base hits for the season. Those are both good pitchers.

Sure, the odds are either one would make out. But one has the potential to deliver a game tying or game winning hit and the other doesn’t. 

Of course I would have had a plan to have a backup. SS if Ortiz got hurt and a better PH option but the front office didn’t think there was any problem.

[RobertCrawley]

4 minutes ago, Brian said:

Durbin was 2-4 TODAY!  Who gives a monkeys butt what he did the previous week. I seen that post like 8 stinking times now. 

In this situation, you can play the numbers or play your gut. 

[willie key]

And if I see the whole siegler at bats are better than his outcomes crap anymore.   I’m done with that.     That’s like the EV gidp crap

 

can I give an A+ on the board to everyone today.   At least late.    There wasn’t excessive complaining about balls and strike calls

[Jim French Stepstool]

31 minutes ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

 

I've said it before. The division wasn't over when we were down big in June, it wasn't over when we went up 9, and it ain't over now. But we are in a good spot. More than that, this season has been awesome. And we will be playing in October. After that, it's all random, and even winning one series will feel glorious regardless of the circumstances. If there's one thing I've learned from decades of daily sports passion, it's that the outcome doesn't actually matter as much we pretend it does.

😫 STOP BEING REASONABLE!!!!!😫

[Brian]

2 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

In this situation, you can play the numbers or play your gut. 

Maybe Murf's gut was low on pancakes.