Diamondbacks at Brewers; Tuesday, August 26 @ 6:40 p.m.: Jacob Misiorowski (4.19 ERA, 3.24 FIP) vs. Brandon Pfaadt (4.95 ERA, 4.35 FIP)

[willie key]

Thank god but I don’t feel good anymore. 
 

😭😭😭

you can’t win in this league if you can’t close out games

 

big props to our trade deadline acquisition though.   

[Outlander]

Shelby Miller was a nice acquisition. Stats have not been great with the Brewers but a good piece to have at the end of the year and into the playoffs. Didn't necessarily need him when the Brewers acquired him but need him now 

[torts]

Never a doubt

[edfunderburk]

1 minute ago, willie key said:

Thank god but I don’t feel good anymore. 
 

😭😭😭

you can’t win in this league if you can’t close out games

 

big props to our trade deadline acquisition though.   

I think we did close out the game

[BruisedCrew]

2 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Not that there is anything wrong with this comment but I often wonder if any pitcher gives a crap about their W/L record anymore. It’s so antiquated I’m surprised they even still track it as an official stat, except I guess for the purposes of tradition and a fun talking point for the likes of guys like Peralta and Skenes.

I think you’re right. I’m sure they like to get them if for no reason other than it means they contributed to a team win. But the pitchers are going to feel OK if they pitch well, regardless of who gets the win.

If you ever read Jim Bouton’s classic “Ball Four” he described “the cool of the evening”, the way a pitcher feels when he’s had a really good outing, and he was talking about it after he had a really strong outing but his team lost in extra innings. 

[adambr2]

2 minutes ago, yourout said:

It is better to walk off than to be walked off.

[edfunderburk]

Chapman gives SF a 5-2 lead over Cubs in 6th inning 

Matthew Boyd removed

Pomeranz in

[SomewhereInTime]

11 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Not that there is anything wrong with this comment but I often wonder if any pitcher gives a crap about their W/L record anymore. It’s so antiquated I’m surprised they even still track it as an official stat, except I guess for the purposes of tradition and a fun talking point for the likes of guys like Peralta and Skenes.

The W/L record made much more sense and meant much more when starters often pitched complete games.  A bullpen pitcher getting the win usually happens by default, and sometimes it's a bad thing when it's a BS Win.

[willie key]

5 minutes ago, SomewhereInTime said:

The W/L record made much more sense and meant much more when starters often pitched complete games.  A bullpen pitcher getting the win usually happens by default, and sometimes it's a bad thing when it's a BS Win.

How crazy valuable would a guy like  Dave Stewart be now.   

[markedman5]

Survived a game where defense faltered and bullpen was fried.

Monasterio defensive play might haves saved the game.

i need a drink

[RobertCrawley]

Why wasn't that Giants hitter busting down the first? Come on!

[yourout]

17 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Chapman gives SF a 5-2 lead over Cubs in 6th inning 

Matthew Boyd removed

Pomeranz in

Of course Willie is 0 for four with three k's after beating up his former team for 3 days.

[markedman5]

 

[treego14]

6 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Monasterio defensive play might haves saved the game.

 

I think it did!

[yourout]

After his fast start PCA has been pretty ordinary for the Cubs. 

Hitting 0.208 over his last 30 games with a 0.263obp.

[adambr2]

17 minutes ago, SomewhereInTime said:

The W/L record made much more sense and meant much more when starters often pitched complete games.  A bullpen pitcher getting the win usually happens by default, and sometimes it's a bad thing when it's a BS Win.

Yeah, the reliever win is so random and bizarre. Ok, if you’re a starter you can’t win if you recorded 14 outs to start the game and left with a huge lead even though you got the majority of team outs? So some reliever who takes over is randomly assigned the win. Or maybe you pitched well like Miller did tonight and your team walked it off. Or maybe you pitched poorly and blew a save and then your team walked it off. The reliever win doesn’t know and doesn’t care.

[sveumrules]

39 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Player of the game

I’m thrilled that he gets credit for the W

Win Probability Added agrees…

Shelby +.254
Contreras +.247

Yelich +.162
Vaughn +.126
Misio +.113
Collins +.105

then on the other end of the spectrum…

Koenig -.416

[adambr2]

14 minutes ago, willie key said:

How crazy valuable would a guy like  Dave Stewart be now.   

You’re comparing across two very different eras, though.

Nobody, absolutely nobody is throwing 270 innings a year anymore, or even close to it, on the Brewers or anyone else. Usage patterns have totally changed. Even if Dave Stewart were playing today, he wouldn’t be used that way.

The workhorse starter is basically dead. There’s only a very small handful left even crossing 200.

[markedman5]

2 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

You’re comparing across two very different eras, though.

Nobody, absolutely nobody is throwing 270 innings a year anymore, or even close to it, on the Brewers or anyone else. Usage patterns have totally changed. Even if Dave Stewart were playing today, he wouldn’t be used that way.

The workhorse starter is basically dead. There’s only a very small handful left even crossing 200.

Why settle for Stewart?

Give me 1972 Steve Carlton! 346 innings……27-10 with a sub 2 era for a horrible team!

[SomewhereInTime]

3 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Yeah, the reliever win is so random and bizarre. Ok, if you’re a starter you can’t win if you recorded 14 outs to start the game and left with a huge lead even though you got the majority of team outs? So some reliever who takes over is randomly assigned the win. Or maybe you pitched well like Miller did tonight and your team walked it off. Or maybe you pitched poorly and blew a save and then your team walked it off. The reliever win doesn’t know and doesn’t care.

The 5 inning rule was another one that made sense years ago.  If a starter went less than 5 innings but the team held the lead the rest of the way the starter was usually out due to injury, or maybe ejection, or maybe the score was 12-8.  The reliever that came in would have likely finished the game and would have been more deserving of the win.  You wouldn't have a 4 inning start followed by 5 relievers pitching one inning each.

[willie key]

3 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

You’re comparing across two very different eras, though.

Nobody, absolutely nobody is throwing 270 innings a year anymore, or even close to it, on the Brewers or anyone else. Usage patterns have totally changed. Even if Dave Stewart were playing today, he wouldn’t be used that way.

The workhorse starter is basically dead. There’s only a very small handful left even crossing 200.

Maybe they should rethink this a little though.   The pendulum has gone too far one way    

[adambr2]

For all the crap he gets, Freddy Peralta is the closest thing this staff has to a workhorse. He checked it just short of 175 IP last year and should finish around the same this year.

[willie key]

Just now, markedman5 said:

Why settle for Stewart?

Give me 1972 Steve Carlton! 346 innings……27-10 with a sub 2 era for a horrible team!

Carlton is one of the greatest pitchers of all time.   I’m just talking like a very good pitcher like Stewart who would be the most valuable pitcher in today’s game in my opinion 

[willie key]

5 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

For all the crap he gets, Freddy Peralta is the closest thing this staff has to a workhorse. He checked it just short of 175 IP last year and should finish around the same this year.

I really want to say good things about him but I don’t want to jinx.   He has provided us with something over his years that a lot of our pitchers dont.  I will let people guess

[RobertCrawley]

1 minute ago, willie key said:

I really want to say good things about him but I don’t want to jinx.   He has provided us with something over his years that a lot of our pitchers dont

He's gotten a lot of flack on this board, but he's been great for us.