Game 13: Bears @ Packers - Sunday, Dec. 7th @ 3:25 PM

[CheezWizHed]

7 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

Love has been really good, we probably don't give him enough credit here because we get too focused on the few mistakes he still makes. If there are a half dozen great and a half dozen good QB's in the league he is like at #7 and rising. I don't know if it was during the broadcast yesterday but someone said he had the best QB rating out of a clean picket in the NFL and it wasn't close. He is deadly on throws outside the numbers. The poor accuracy on deep throws we complained about his first year have really been cleaned up. He gets blitzed and throws to whoever has the safety covering him. He has tremendous talent and is still improving, a big reason for optimism this postseason for sure.

For the first 8 (or so) games of the season, Love was electric against clean pockets are horrible otherwise (blitz or not).  So the easy button was constant blitzing - I think both the Browns and Bengals did that heavily.  Maybe Carolina too? 

Seems like he has turned a corner (at least the last few games) on that. 

Now, if you blitz and the OL picks it up so he has a clean pocket off the blitz? 🔥

[BrewerFan]

48 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

A day after and I'm still in disbelief they overturned Williams INT and Musgrave's grab. Was there any shred of real concrete evidence either ball in fact hit the ground? It's encouraging to see the coaching staff now sending Musgrave on these deeper routes more often. It is his specialty. It is where he can really impact games. That catch was incredible and I still believe that was a catch. Am I just missing it?

Musgrave(or Jeff Janis as you like to call him😉) it looked like it hit the ground, but I thought it was a case where had it pinned to his body and it just touches the ground while he controls it. If they call that incomplete, I'm fine, but I don't get how it was overturned.

Wiliams pick, I haven't seen anything. I just assumed it did. I feel like that was splitting the difference. They called a fumble, Bears recovery(clearly recovery by Packers IF there is one).

My Dad called... yelling in my ear, I thought my Mom broke a hip or something, but that's what it was about. "It NEVER touched he ground!" 

He's older. The Bears series is more personal for him. The majority of my life, they've been... irrelevant. We've only heard about the rivalry, but he lived threough 20 years of it going the other way, so this still gets that 71 year old heart going!

[Joseph Zarr]

2 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Musgrave(or Jeff Janis as you like to call him😉) it looked like it hit the ground, but I thought it was a case where had it pinned to his body and it just touches the ground while he controls it. If they call that incomplete, I'm fine, but I don't get how it was overturned.

Wiliams pick, I haven't seen anything. I just assumed it did. I feel like that was splitting the difference. They called a fumble, Bears recovery(clearly recovery by Packers IF there is one).

My Dad called... yelling in my ear, I thought my Mom broke a hip or something, but that's what it was about. "It NEVER touched he ground!" 

He's older. The Bears series is more personal for him. The majority of my life, they've been... irrelevant. We've only heard about the rivalry, but he lived threough 20 years of it going the other way, so this still gets that 71 year old heart going!

I don't think calling him Jeff Janis is an insult. He's a field stretching TE. I simply want the Packers to use him to his strengths and it appears they are starting to do that more frequently. I thought that was his best game as a Packer. 

[BrewerFan]

4 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

I don't think calling him Jeff Janis is an insult. He's a field stretching TE. I simply want the Packers to use him to his strengths and it appears they are starting to do that more frequently. I thought that was his best game as a Packer. 

It was kidding. I thought it was a knock, if it's not... it doesn't matter, we're both rooting for the same thing. Not trying to stir up something old!

 

[Joseph Zarr]

14 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

It was kidding. I thought it was a knock, if it's not... it doesn't matter, we're both rooting for the same thing. Not trying to stir up something old!

 

All good. Agreed. 

[SeaBass]

The coach handshake at the end of the game is a big nothingburger. Hard to believe there are people talking about it or reading anything deeper into it. If there was tension there in either direction it was the mildest I've ever seen.

[BrewerFan]

On another note... loving the good feelings, but... the Packers have one helluva tough schedule the next 3 weeks.

The Denver Broncos... the team last year that looked TERRIBLE to start the year and looked like they had a coach who was washed, a 1st Rd pick who was a huge reach(and the 6th QB picked IIRC) but a good defense... they come in with maybe the worst matchup for the Packers.

Excellent edge rushers, on pace to set an NFL RECORD in sacks, they're one of the best teams vs the run. They have the best CB in the league(at least among those playing right now) in Surtain.

 

They're also somehow favored in this game IN Denver. I would think they'd be 3 point dogs, but opening line, Packers -1.5.

[HarryDoyle]

7 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Ryan Grant, Jermichael Finely, Brad Jones, Brady Poppinga, Nick Barnett, Mike Neal and Morgan Burnett were lost to IR that season. Al Harris never played and was released after coming off the PUP. Woodson got injured during the Super Bowl, too. They had a lot of magic that year finding diamonds in the rough that played huge roles. Starks, Crabtree, Shields, Bishop, the emergence of Nelson. They grabbed Pickett midyear off waivers and he forced the pick 6 Roethlisberger threw in the Super Bowl. 

Howard Green forced the pick 6. Pickett forced the "Spill it!" fumble. (and it was Pickett and not Clay and I will die on that hill.)

[HarryDoyle]

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

On another note... loving the good feelings, but... the Packers have one helluva tough schedule the next 3 weeks.

The Denver Broncos... the team last year that looked TERRIBLE to start the year and looked like they had a coach who was washed, a 1st Rd pick who was a huge reach(and the 6th QB picked IIRC) but a good defense... they come in with maybe the worst matchup for the Packers.

Excellent edge rushers, on pace to set an NFL RECORD in sacks, they're one of the best teams vs the run. They have the best CB in the league(at least among those playing right now) in Surtain.

 

They're also somehow favored in this game IN Denver. I would think they'd be 3 point dogs, but opening line, Packers -1.5.

The Broncos are about as fraudulent as the Bears. We should be favored.

[BrewerFan]

12 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

The Broncos are about as fraudulent as the Bears. We should be favored.

Ok... but the Bears really AREN'T fraudulent! 

We survived a blown assignment on the last play of the game by Evan Williams to escape with a one score win! 

But I'm curious... on pace to beat the '85 Bears record for most sacks, the best OG in the game(maybe, up there with Nelson) and good OTs, OL as a whole. Why are they fraudulent? 

Bo Nix? 

[OldHeidelberg]

5 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I've heard it on several shows, but it's kinda like the All Pro tax. That's what it feels like. He's too fast and they can't call every time he gets hooked. 

 

I don't remember the refs swallowing their whistles on defensive PI when Randy Moss was running roughshod over the league. In fact, as a Packer fan it seemed like the opposite. To be fair Cowboy fans complained about Parsons being held too. But they need to call it sometimes , geez. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

2 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

Howard Green forced the pick 6. Pickett forced the "Spill it!" fumble. (and it was Pickett and not Clay and I will die on that hill.)

You are correct. Completely forgot about Howard Green and attributed Pickett to being the in season WW pickup. 

[BrewerFan]

50 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

I don't remember the refs swallowing their whistles on defensive PI when Randy Moss was running roughshod over the league. In fact, as a Packer fan it seemed like the opposite. To be fair Cowboy fans complained about Parsons being held too. But they need to call it sometimes , geez. 

I'm not arguing with you... I'm just saying, I don't think they're going to call it every time. 

 

Gary has been called plenty. 

[CheezWizHed]

Next Bears matchup: Should Parson rush from the right side (defensive view point)? 

During the game, I was thinking that Parsons was too aggressive as Williams kept escaping from the hole he created on the right side and made some big throws late in the game.  I was wondering if he should try to contain more...

But today, I got to thinking...what if he rushed from the right side more?  Williams kept escaping in the hole on the left side and being a right handed-QB, was able to make a few good plays.  But if he is scrambling to Caleb's left (defense's right), he would have a much harder time throwing the ball.  

Keep Parsons' disrupting, but make it harder for Williams to pull up and pass. 

[BrewerFan]

23 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

Howard Green forced the pick 6. Pickett forced the "Spill it!" fumble. (and it was Pickett and not Clay and I will die on that hill.)

I mean... it was both, but Clay jumped inside and just wrecked Mendenhall. 

Also... we obviously didn't pick up Pickett off waivers, he was one of the few big FA signings by Thompson. Howard Green was picked up off waivers(and he clearly did cause that pick).