NFL Wild Card Round: Packers @ Bears on January 10th at 7:00 PM

[homer]

I don't want Harbaugh.

[Recovering Chicagoan]

2 minutes ago, homer said:

I don't want Harbaugh.

He may not even want to coach the Packers anyway.

[homer]

IMO, if you're gonna get rid of MLF you should just get rid of Gute too. 

[HarryDoyle]

Even JJ knows it's time for a change.

 

[Fear The Chorizo]

Woke up this morning hoping to see an article about MLF gone...didnt see it.  Thinking id be ok with Gute staying but also wouldnt mind a complete housecleaning.  The reason?  The organization is currently soft, undisciplined, and that culture has seeped into a young roster that isn't as good as it thinks it is.  That starts with the leaders of the organization allowing that lack of discipline and approach to build because they are ok with it themselves.  This ship needs a different captain to shake things up, because we all know where the current leadership can take it and its not good enough.

 

A well coached, disciplined team wouldnt catch a 4th down INT attempt if it was going to cost the team 30 yards of field position.

A well coached team wouldnt get a delay of game called on them after taking a TO in a critical moment of the game, while the franchise qb was trying to call TO a second time

A well coached team would sell out physically at the goal line to keep a trailing team out at all costs (looking at you, Nixon)

A well coached team wouldnt need to be tinkering with special teams return and coverage units during a playoff game

A well coached team wouldnt burn 5 of their 6 timeouts at curious points of a game.

A well coached team would be able to make in-game adjustments faster than wasting almost two quarters of football to add to a large lead built up with a solid early gameplan

A well coached team would have veferan players on the sideline losing their minds talking to each other when things start to go sideways to get refocused and motivated without relying on babysitter assistant coaches to pat them on the back

 

This is all from 1 game, and I'm certain others can point out more miscues from last night - we've seen this repeatedly for 7 seasons, often at the most critical moments of a season/playoffs.  It's time to move on from MLF

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I don't have a problem with the guy. Seems like a nice, good guy and takes his health seriously. In an unrealistic world I wouldn't mind him staying on as the OC, but that doesn't happen. 

I don't think he's fit to be a HC and believe there's a mountain of evidence. I think a big chunk of HC is game management and he sucks at it. You don't always have to take everything personally. 

Btw I'm 40 and have close friends in their 70s. Coincidentally almost all of them are from my time in athletics and they were my coaches. I didn't just make that up. Those two were close friends. 

It’s an internet message board. If you think  I take anything written here by people I’ve never met personally , you’re reading way too much into the words.  Do I like debating well organized and thought out posts that are clearly wrong, yes.

All kidding aside, I’m glad you have maintained friendships with those folks from your athletic days. However, I don’t know what your anecdotal experience has to do with anything. If you have an article or something other than fan speculation that LaFleur and Bisaccia had a personal relationship before 2022, I’d like to see it.  
 

If the Packers want to look in the mirror realize they’re not good enough and hit the reset button by firing both the coach and GM, I’m all for it. But to fire LaFleur because they think they’re an elite team and his decision making is failing the talent they have, isn’t being honest. 

[homer]

 

 

[JosephC]

4 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

They have nobody at RB, CB, K. Outside of Parsons they have no pass rushers.  

 

Gary is definitely a pass-rusher...but only when he decides he wants to play.

[Jopal78]

12 minutes ago, JosephC said:

Gary is definitely a pass-rusher...but only when he decides he wants to play.

Gary has 46.5 sacks in 106 games.
 

By comparison, Vonnie Holliday had 32 sacks in 66 games for Green Bay. KGB had 74.5 in 124 career games. Aaron Kampman had 54 in 104 games as a Packer. Preston Smith had 44 sacks in 91 games with Green Bay. 
 

Gary must never “want to play”, or alternatively he isn’t much of a pass rusher when compared to recent good but not great Packer pass rushers.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 hour ago, Jopal78 said:

It’s an internet message board. If you think  I take anything written here by people I’ve never met personally , you’re reading way too much into the words.  Do I like debating well organized and thought out posts that are clearly wrong, yes.

All kidding aside, I’m glad you have maintained friendships with those folks from your athletic days. However, I don’t know what your anecdotal experience has to do with anything. If you have an article or something other than fan speculation that LaFleur and Bisaccia had a personal relationship before 2022, I’d like to see it.  
 

If the Packers want to look in the mirror realize they’re not good enough and hit the reset button by firing both the coach and GM, I’m all for it. But to fire LaFleur because they think they’re an elite team and his decision making is failing the talent they have, isn’t being honest. 

It has plenty to do with it when you literally cite his age as a reason they can't possibly be friends.

[JosephC]

7 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Gary has 46.5 sacks in 106 games.
 

By comparison, Vonnie Holliday had 32 sacks in 66 games for Green Bay. KGB had 74.5 in 124 career games. Aaron Kampman had 54 in 104 games as a Packer. Preston Smith had 44 sacks in 91 games with Green Bay. 
 

Gary must never “want to play”, or alternatively he isn’t much of a pass rusher when compared to recent good but not great Packer pass rushers.

46.5 sacks in 106 games means he wants to play about half the time.  This guy is a supreme talent and has always underachieved going way back to his Michigan days.

[OldHeidelberg]

Schefter: Packers CEO Ed Policy has a decision to make about Matt LaFleur - Yahoo Sports

Not much here but speculation but the idea that the Packers will only move on from MLF if they have a replacement in mind makes some sense. I don't know that Bob Harlan's son being Harbough's agent really means much. 

[JosephC]

One key thing that I haven't seen mentioned regarding Harbaugh.  Gutekunst hired Milt Hendrickson away from Baltimore the year after he got the GM spot.  Hendrickson was a top scout for the Ravens, and seemingly has been Gutekunst's right hand man since he was brought in.  If Harbaugh respects Hendrickson, and the Ravens were really good when both Harbaugh and Hendrickson were there (Super Bowl championship, 4 division titles), it might make Green Bay a more attractive location for him if he has a level of comfort with the front office and scouting knowing that Hendrickson is here.

[HarryDoyle]

14 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

Schefter: Packers CEO Ed Policy has a decision to make about Matt LaFleur - Yahoo Sports

Not much here but speculation but the idea that the Packers will only move on from MLF if they have a replacement in mind makes some sense. I don't know that Bob Harlan's son being Harbough's agent really means much. 

Harbaugh right now is basically MLF 2.0. He would be a lateral move. I don't know who the right coach would be, but one thing is for certain: in this case, the devil you know is not better than the devil you don't know. Who would've thought Liam Coen would lead the Jaguars to 13 wins his first season? I mean, I did pick them to win the division, but not with that record. Who thought Vrabel would turn the Patriots into a Super Bowl contender his first year? There is someone better out there. You just have to find the right one.

[Jopal78]

27 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

It has plenty to do with it when you literally cite his age as a reason they can't possibly be friends.

No, it’s exactly what I said. Your anecdotal experience aside, Bisaccia was born in 1960 started coaching down south in the SEC in 1988 and remained there until joining the Buccaneers in 2002. LaFleur was still a child in Michigan at the time. By the time LaFleur was getting into college coaching, Bisaccia was in the NFL with Tampa Bay.
 

It’s not the age itself, it’s lack of connections and different stations in life .
 

[yourout]

I simply don't see how anyone could have watched the last 7 years and have any faith that he will ever get you where you want to go. And if you don't think he can get you there then there's no reason to extend him.

Why waste another year?

[OldHeidelberg]

6 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Harbaugh right now is basically MLF 2.0. He would be a lateral move. I don't know who the right coach would be, but one thing is for certain: in this case, the devil you know is not better than the devil you don't know. Who would've thought Liam Coen would lead the Jaguars to 13 wins his first season? I mean, I did pick them to win the division, but not with that record. Who thought Vrabel would turn the Patriots into a Super Bowl contender his first year? There is someone better out there. You just have to find the right one.

Harbough also will be expensive and may want some control over personnel decisions. Those don't make him a great fit for the Packers organization. I think it will probably come down to whether MLF will accept a short extension at what the Packers offer.

[homer]

Was reading something today that young players were not really connecting with Harbaugh. I usually loathe defensive minded coaches but given GBs history there, I'm ok with it this time around. Why not? Don't want Harbaugh, though. I'd be ok with Flores or Minter.

[OldHeidelberg]

8 minutes ago, homer said:

Was reading something today that young players were not really connecting with Harbaugh. I usually loathe defensive minded coaches but given GBs history there, I'm ok with it this time around. Why not? Don't want Harbaugh, though. I'd be ok with Flores or Minter.

Robert Saleh? I like the idea of a defensive head coach for the same reason you state. We could bring in another LaFleur like Mike McDaniel to run the offense.

[OldHeidelberg]

3rd playoff loss for the Packers with a double digit lead. The other 2 were the wonderful memories of Seattle and 4th and 26 in Philly.

[homer]

17 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

Robert Saleh? I like the idea of a defensive head coach for the same reason you state. We could bring in another LaFleur like Mike McDaniel to run the offense.

Man I dunno about Saleh. Jets seemed like an absolute dumpster fire but a lot of that could have been Rodgers and being forced to hire Hackett.

[Underachiever]

6 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

. But firing him because expectations were that a fringe 7 seed  (4-2 in their division, 5-5-1 against everyone else) would do better in the playoffs  is a knee jerk reaction. 

 

I’d fire him because they were a “fringe 7” in the first place. They played last night from a script that became familiar this year. Good teams don’t hang on for dear life like this one did. What’s good to say about a team that ended the year on a five-game losing streak? 

[Jopal78]

8 minutes ago, Underachiever said:

I’d fire him because they were a “fringe 7” in the first place. They played last night from a script that became familiar this year. Good teams don’t hang on for dear life like this one did. What’s good to say about a team that ended the year on a five-game losing streak? 

Yes, my premise is they were never as talented as they thought they were. LaFleur did not have 13 win talent and managed to win just 9 games. Rather he had around 9 win talent to begin with. 
 

If they fire LaFleur the Packers should send Gutekunst packing too, and start fresh adding more talent to hang with the big dogs. They should not fire LaFleur out of a belief they’re a championship caliber team and it’s his decisions keeping them from the summit of the mountain. 

[JosephC]

One thing that I find funny is all the talk of next year being a "lame-duck" year for Gutekunst and LaFleur if they are not extended.  Does that have any meaning in the NFL at all?  I've never heard of an NFL team keeping a GM or coach because a buyout is prohibitive.  How many NFL coaches have been given multi-year deals and then are fired after the first year?  I'm guessing too many to count.  So if Gutekunst and/or LaFleur are each given big, shiny new contracts, does anybody think either of them have a job with the Packers in 2027 if the 2026 record is 4-13?  Not a chance.  

[yourout]

Is Sean McDermott .....MLF with a better QB?