StearnsFTW

Same. He isn't all that good to begin with, now people want to stick him at first? No thanks.

The character stuff is what it is, but Schilling is pretty objectively a top dozen pitcher at worst over the last 40 years. If 80 WAR & the best K/BB ratio in the post-integration era plus an 11-2 record with a 2.23 ERA in 133 postseason IP isnt enough to get into Cooperstown we might not ever see another pitcher inducted. Here is how I would group the pitchers I have seen in my lifetime... (INNER CIRCLE) Randy | 4135 IP | 75 ERA- | 73 FIP- | 176 K%+ | 99 BB%+ | 105 rWAR | 110 fWAR Maddux | 5008 IP | 76 ERA- | 78 FIP- | 100 K%+ | 57 BB%+ | 123 rWAR | 117 fWAR Pedro | 2827 IP | 66 ERA- | 68 FIP- | 168 K%+ | 78 BB%+ | 90 rWAR | 84 fWAR Nolan | 5386 IP | 90 ERA- | 83 FIP- | 183 K%+ | 146 BB%+ | 89 rWAR | 107 fWAR Clemens | 4916 IP | 70 ERA- | 71 FIP- | 150 K%+ | 88 BB%+ | 142 rWAR | 134 fWAR comments: Randy the best all time combo of stuff/peak/longevity/hair, Maddux the ideal "pitcher", Pedro had the highest highs but couldn't last, Nolan the template for everything to come & all the nonos, Roger prolly the best ever but dinged for various blemishes (NEXT TIER) Smoltz | 3473 IP | 81 ERA- | 78 FIP- | 130 K%+ | 83 BB%+ | 80 rWAR | 80 fWAR Schilling | 3261 IP | 80 ERA- | 76 FIP- | 139 K%+ | 62 BB%+ | 81 rWAR | 80 fWAR Halladay | 2749 IP | 76 ERA- | 78 FIP- | 109 K%+ | 62 BB%+ | 71 rWAR | 65 fWAR Mussina | 3562 IP | 82 ERA- | 79 FIP- | 121 K%+ | 61 BB%+ | 82 rWAR | 81 fWAR Glavine | 4413 IP | 86 ERA- | 94 FIP- | 84 K%+ | 93 BB%+ | 88 rWAR | 67 fWAR Brown | 3256 IP | 78 ERA- | 78 FIP- | 109 K%+ | 75 BB%+ | 73 rWAR | 77 fWAR Pettitte | 3316 IP | 86 ERA- | 83 FIP- | 104 K%+ | 84 BB%+ | 62 rWAR | 68 fWAR Sabathia | 3577 IP | 86 ERA- | 87 FIP- | 114 K%+ | 89 BB%+ | 69 rWAR | 67 fWAR comments: Smoltz is Schilling, Finkle is Einhorn. Halladay's peak gets him the next spot for me. Moose over Glavine on the basis of FIP. Kevin Brown allowed the lowest HR9 of the last 40 years among all SP, which seems kind of significant given the era. I'd vote for Andy & CC both, Sabathia a higher peak but Pettitte the postseason edge. (STILL GOING) Kershaw | 2333 IP | 63 ERA- | 69 FIP- | 135 K%+ | 76 BB%+ | 75 rWAR | 66 fWAR Verlander | 2988 IP | 78 ERA- | 80 FIP- | 127 K%+ | 85 BB%+ | 77 rWAR | 72 fWAR Scherzer | 2357 IP | 77 ERA- | 76 FIP- | 142 K%+ | 80 BB%+ | 60 rWAR | 60 fWAR Greinke | 2939 IP | 80 ERA- | 81 FIP- | 115 K%+ | 68 BB%+ | 68 rWAR | 63 fWAR Sale | 1629 IP | 71 ERA- | 69 FIP- | 148 K%+ | 71 BB%+ | 45 rWAR | 45 fWAR deGrom | 1169 IP | 67 ERA- | 67 FIP- | 133 K%+ | 73 BB%+ | 35 rWAR | 34 fWAR Hamels | 2698 IP | 82 ERA- | 88 FIP- | 117 K%+ | 84 BB%+ | 61 rWAR | 52 fWAR Felix | 2729 IP | 84 ERA- | 85 FIP- | 119 K%+ | 87 BB%+ | 57 rWAR | 54 bWAR comments: Kershaw on track for inner circle, Verlander has the edge on Fame but is essentially Kevin Brown, Scherzer/Greinke need a couple more good seasons to get out of Pettitte/Sabathia territory, can Sale put up another tree four years post TJ?, deGrom only 1700 IP short of Pedro's career, Cole/King Felix prolly in this next category... (JUST MISSED) Johan | 2025 IP | 74 ERA- | 81 FIP- | 142 K%+ | 81 BB%+ | 55 rWAR | 46 fWAR (Sandy | 2324 IP | 75 ERA- | 75 FIP- | 173 K%+ | 107 BB%+ | 60 rWAR | 55 fWAR) Gooden | 2800 IP | 90 ERA- I 83 FIP- | 128 K%+ | 94 BB%+ | 50 rWAR | 57 fWAR Wells | 3439 IP | 93 ERA- | 90 FIP- | 97 K%+ | 56 BB%+ | 55 rWAR | 58 fAR Buehrle | 3283 IP | 87 ERA- | 93 FIP- | 78 K%+ | 65 BB%+ | 61 rWAR | 52 fWAR Cone | 2898 IP | 84 ERA- | 85 FIP- | 141 K%+ | 106 BB%+ | 61 rWAR | 56 fWAR SBRHGN | 2562 IP | 80 ERA- | 81 FIP- | 110 K%+ | 53 BB%+ | 60 rWAR | 55 fWAR Hudson | 3126 IP | 83 ERA- | 90 FIP- | 92 K%+ | 83 BB%+ | 63 rWAR | 49 fWAR Oswalt | 2245 IP | 79 ERA- | 78 FIP- | 112 K%+ | 65 BB%+ | 54 rWAR | 53 fWAR Cliffly | 2156 IP | 84 ERA- | 82 FIP- | 114 K%+ | 63 BB%+ | 46 rWAR | 48 fWAR Sheets | 1428 IP | 87 ERA- | 81 FIP- | 117 K%+ | 60 BB%+ | 26 rWAR | 32 fWAR Teddy | 1380 IP | 86 ERA- | 85 FIP- | 128 K%+ | 88 BB%+ | 27 rWAR | 27 fWAR comments: Johan is right on the line of last guy in/first guy out for me but I'd prolly go with IN since he's more or less contemporary Koufax, Doctor K is just out, kinda crazy how similar Boomer & Buehrle are, ok, just had to throw in the Brewers all time co-aces at the end for my own (& hopefully your) bemusement. Thank you for posting this. So my gut was right on Schilling. I was also going to include Pettitte, so my gut was right there too. Final answer: Rolen, Schilling, Pettitte.

Rolen Schilling That's it for me. Edit: Just looked at Schilling's numbers. He's very iffy to me too. I'd probably just vote Rolen.

Gross. Edit: unless there's a DH, then its ok i guess. Still wouldn't like it.

Wait til Springer finds out Toronto's offer was in Canadian dollars. That would probably turn to Springer's benefit during the contract.

Yeah I agree. I can see why the Brewers didn't do it, but teams like the Dodgers? Brad Hand would look pretty damn good in any contender's bullpen even if he's not closing. Especially on a one year deal. 1 year/$10MM is exactly what Eric Gagne got paid by the Brewers. In 2008.

I don't think it's nearly as bad as you do, but I agree on 3b & 1b being problems (I consider Urias our everyday SS). Garcia, Urias, Narvaez and obviously Yelich are the guys I'm looking at to step up in addition to (hopefully) getting competent 1b and 3b.

Thanks for pointing this out. Definitely got me wondering how exactly a pitcher racks up four triples in a season & of course Jeff Sullivan had the full breakdown... https://blogs.fangraphs.com/luis-perdomo-hit-four-triples/ Dude's got wheels.

Like the Guerra experience a few years ago, or going back a long time, the Flying Moutons. Which Mouton was your favorite Mouton? They were tied for last.

Yeah, I don't know what he's done since being promoted, but his drafts sucked, I do know that.

Stop the Presses!! By your example above, the Brewers just picked up the next CC Sabathia! Look at CC's minors numbers: 54/ IP-257 / WHIP 1.286 / H9 7.3 / BB9 4.3 / K9 10.3 Somebody pencil Crawford in for opening day... give me a break. It's fine and dandy that the Dodgers gave a player in return to get Knebel, and I get that we're all a little Brewers news starved. But the best front office in the game was willing to move on from this guy because he has fringe major league velocity and a small frame that won't allow him to add more velocity. Again fine and great, as the news is welcome but lets be realistic here. This is the strawiest strawman I've ever seen.

Most underrated hitter ever. It's a crime that guys like Harold Baines are in the HOF and he's not. I've been spouting this forever. RIP.

Watching other teams overpay for FAs? I'm good with that. I wouldn't be thrilled if the Brewers gave Carlos Santana $15MM for 2 years to play 1b. At least the Royals can DH him and then watch Jorge Soler attempt to play the OF.

Pretty much. And the norm for the last 50 years.

He actually uses it somewhat regularly. I am a fan. Without searching I think I can remember 3 fairly recent uses of this word in his posts. To date I haven't been baller enough to work it into my own conversations but it is a goal. Haha. I definitely try to drop a "cromulent" or "a couple two tree" into the conversation every now & again. It has taken 11 years, but this word is now in regular use within my in-laws' family. They all use it as if it's a real word. I consider this my greatest personal achievement.

In his lone full season he posted a 111 wRC+ & 1.6 WAR. If he can approximate those numbers in 2021 it would be perfectly cromulent production for 1.4 million dollars. Don't really have anything to add. I just wanted to commend you on the use of the word cromulent. It has truly embiggened the discussion.

This isn't apparent at all. They got what they believe is a tremendous player in return (as do I). We just haven't seen it yet. Trade is pretty terrible now, but most of the story hasn't been written.

The ideal situation to me is that he proves he can handle shortstop and Arcia gets out of my life once and for all. 3B of course is still a problem, but I'd like to think they can find a 3B better than Arcia.

I'd be shocked if Collins is the headliner. He isn't a particularly good hitter and there are serious doubts about his ability to stay at catcher.

Stearns wanted Urias. He traded for him before any free agents signed with anyone. Urias had a rough year injury-wise, but I think it's pretty foolish to dismiss him given his age and track record.

I can't believe this has to be stated, but, alas, it does.

Man, that would suck. The White Sox have been my second favorite team my whole life. This would be a tragic hire.

Not as criminal as letting him pitch. Uh huh. Keep banging that drum. There are plenty of bad-to-terrible pitchers on the roster. At least one of the bad-to-terrible pitchers has shown success against many of these Dodgers. Makes no sense at all. Again, unless he's hurt.

OK then. Good luck fellas. Gonna take a miracle. No Lauer is criminal unless he's hurt.

Saw Teddy Higuera outduel Mike Witt 1-0 in a game that seemed to last about 75 minutes. Gonna see if I can find the boxscore. Edit: it was Dan Petry, not Mike Witt. 1:59. Earnest Riles hit a dinger. Some good names for the old crowd here.