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There is another angle to Santana's price tag that is being overlooked I think? There are a lot of teams that still need OF help and the Brewers just arguably took the 2 biggest OF targets off the market. People are saying Santana's value has taken a hit because we have to trade him now but I kind of think the opposite is true. If you need OF help ... Santana just became one of the best options. I think his price tag has increased, if anything. Stearns will get fair or better value in a deal for Santana.

The team just traded arguably their two top OF prospects. I think the onus is on Grisham and Ray to start fulfilling their potential. I imagine both will be at AA this year. Time to put up or shut up. Exactly. Let's see how these guys can do. The OF is fine for a few years - they can be ready when they are ready (if ever). The control we have in our major league outfield right now is crazy. Barring major injury, all prospects are blocked until Cain possibly starts declining in 2020? 2021? Cain and Yelich are controlled for 5 years, Phillips for 6, Braun through 2020 I believe plus Santana, although I am mentally preparing for him to be dealt. We may have given up our top 2 OF prospects ... but the next time we need a guy to be something other than a trade chip may very well be Lutz in 3 years or something similar as long as we stay competitive and don't deal anyone from that core.

No, the Brewers problem was more than a CF hole. The Brewers have a serious strikeout problem and they needed to fix that. Lewis Brinson was not going to help that and I think that was a big part of what transpired here. It is much much more than OBP. Cain and Yelich will massively decrease the amount of strikeouts as a team. If Brinson wasn't a big K guy I could see them committing to him at one of the spots, but the reality was he is also a high K guy. Stearn made a wise decision to improve on that by revamping the OF. This was not about filling the CF hole. This was about fixing an offense painfully dependent on HRs with high K rates. We didn't have a CF hole. We had two top prospects(arguably Top 100 in baseball) ready to man CF with great defense....except both featured really high K rates. We need a diversified offense and Stearns saw a huge problem in the outfield. He made moves to reduce the amount of strikeouts while overall improving the defense. Win-Win. The only other thing I would add is that I don't think it is wise, at this stage, to say "why Cain when Yelich" etc. To me it seems probable that Stearns had a fairly massive lineup overhaul in mind ... and these moves all rely on each other in that vision. The magnitude of tonight's deals re-inforce these are not isolated moves. Therefore, it is easy to try to evaluate the Yelich deal as Yelich for Brinson, Diaz, etc .. but I would encourage everyone to hold on for a minute and wait until the off season is over to evaluate the total vision that is taking place. Stearns confidence that Cain was coming likely solidified his comfort in dealing Brinson and Yelich/Cain's arrival make the next move (be it Santana or Thames getting traded, etc), that I'd bet heavily Stearns has already more or less wrapped up, available. Action/Reaction is an everyday thing in all MLB deals ... but the craziness and scope of tonight tells me these two moves and the additional dominoes that are soon to follow are a part of a pre-meditated vision. Therefore in a few weeks' time it might be more appropriate to evaluate the overall vision Stearns' had ... which will look something like: Brewers send: Brinson, Harrison, Diaz, Yamamoto, (Santana), (Aguilar), etc ---> *players in parenthesis are hypothetical* Brewers receive: Yelich, Cain, (Salazar), (Kipnis), etc ---> *same as above* I think that is the most fair way to evaluate what Stearns' brain is currently doing rather than breaking down/questioning these individually...

My brain is circling. I assume this is the end in a Brewers uniform for Santana HOWEVER would he or Braun be willing to move to 1B and Thames be the one to go? Villar Cain Braun Shaw Yelich Santana Pina Arcia that is really, really good.

Let's go get Escobar and Greinke and make tonight a twilight zone. Have them meet Cain and JJ for dinner.

Braun/Cain/Yelich/Santana/Phillips/Broxton Over under 12 hours until the next move is announced?

Holy smokes. Need time to think. Stearns hates strikeouts apparently.

Yelich won a Gold Glove 2 years ago. I'd challenge that projection.

Quit with this level-headed reason! This is a time for hysterics!! I HATE IT I LOVE IT I HATE IT I LOVE IT. Just teasing. There was no way we were getting Yelich without getting stun a bit. It's ok to be happy and sad about the deal. Without a major regression from Shaw and assuming at least a minimal rebound from Villar ... Milwaukee's lineup is going to be really, really competent.

Couple questions pop up right away. 1) Another trade has to follow this, yes? We are still 5 deep in the outfield. Will it be a minor move with Broxton or a major one with Santana? My guess is Santana is the guy to go as we would be selling high on him and we would be selling low on Broxton. 2) Where is he playing? Right now, he is in CF with Santana/Braun in the corners. If Santana is moved... does Braun slide to right so Yelich can play his gold glove position? 3) I may be wrong here, but Yelich seems like a perfect #2 hitter to me and I think most are going to pencil him into the lead off spot. Is Villar going to be given a shot to take the lead off spot initially with a Yelich/Braun/Shaw/Santana/Thames follow up? I'm mentally preparing for a Santana trade ... but as it currently stands that 2-6 is pretty nasty. I love Yelich in Milwaukee. I think we just added an MVP candidate for the next 3+ years.

That was a fake Rosenthal account. I'm ashamed. I'm going to bed.

Rosenthal just tweeted out the Yankees are going hard after Shaw. I love Shaw. Love him. LOVE HIM. But right now might be the peak of his trade value ... someone discuss whether that is accurate and if he should be dealt if these rumors are accurate. Is he a part of our contending plans in '19 and '20?

Did he insult you personally? Not sure why we have to call him names for chasing an opportunity that is 80% closer to his home. Signing Logan may have blocked him from getting to the Majors this year ... so if he has an opportunity to make some good money and pitch in front of some big crowds ... all the more power to him.

Dang. I'm just speculating but has to be a money grab on his part maybe? Can't imagine he wouldn't get an offer somewhere with how he pitched last year... Wish him luck though!

I think the Brewers are going to give Jungmann every chance to make the opening day roster. Very good season in the minors last year and, if I am not mistaken, is out of options. Someone will grab him if we try to send him down.

You must have met Stearns just before/after he met Chacin...

$2 million for another right handed power bat off the bench. I'll take it

Which makes this a better deal IMO. Such a tradeable contract if he pitches to expectation and we are not in contention. If we are in contention it likely means he is performing and then it is a great signing.

I would say Feliz should get an honorable mention.. however, his signing likely kept us from signing another competent closer and we would have never given the ball to Knebel, so I actually have changed my mind. Great signing!

Scott Karl, Dave Burba, Doug Davis, Brandon Looper.... If you think this Brewers' team with Anderson, Davies, (insert name here), (insert name here), (insert name here) is going to contend for a WS crown ... I love the optimism, but don't want you running my team, with all due respect. If you think this Brewers' team needs another season+ to develop its core and rearrange its roster to position itself for success... and need a 180+ inning arm to help hold this season together... yes, Chacin is a good signing. I agree with you.

Part of me smiles when I see things like this. I imagine David Stearns reading this tweet from KR and shouting "Holy S$^%! Did anyone here look at his road splits before we signed him?!" I have no idea if this thing will or won't work out ... but I am very aware I know nothing compared to these front office guys and fans reacting or overreacting to certain stats is always funny to me.

no dollars yet ... but reported as a 2 year deal per Crasnick on Twitter.

Probably significant to us 1) for what was stated above - CF might be a need for SF more so now and we fit as trade partners and also 2) if TB is officially dealing ... you would think Archer is going to be the next big domino to fall.

This may be a stretch ... but signing two of the same pitcher (vet/filler) in YoGa and Chacin makes me think something bigger is happening? Could Anderson or Davies be a part of a package that would bring Archer back?

There were a lot of people who were pulling for this guy at the trade deadline last year.