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I have no idea what you are talking about here. You are the one who said Cy Young voting is how an Ace is determined. Here is exactly what I said: Burnes is also 3-years now removed from his CY Young season and he hasn't replicated or come close to that season since. The Cy Young season meaning the stats he put up in that season not the voting for Cy Young. What does voting for Cy Young have to do with anything I said? There is absolutely nothing in my post stating Cy Young voting that is all on you. You are the one who brought up Cy Young voting.

You are the only one who said Cy Young voting. Top 5 in stats as Sveum has pointed out is what an Ace should be judged on.

That is a poor definition of an ace if you are going by Cy Young votes. He looks to be more of a #1 or #2 type pitcher. Aces are rare and should be the top 5 starting pitchers in the league. Burnes isn’t a top 5 anymore he sits just outside the top 5 and is now more of a #1 pitcher which is still good just not elite.

This is what they did after the Toronto game. The players talked with AG and he agreed to change the defense. I think there is an article on The Athletic about this change.

I had completely forgot they had added Weeks to the coaching staff in the minors. I think he will need to wait a few more years before getting a manager position but it is nice to see the Brewers interviewing him to give him that experience. It also puts his name out there as a possible candidate for another team. Not sure I would take Mattingly. The Brewers front office and his style would be a complete clash. The Brewers are more analytical and I think that was the reason the Dodgers moved on from him and the Marlins also. Of that list I would have the top three in no particular order as Espada, McCullough and Snitker. I like Weeks but he needs some more grooming and getting him ready to take that leap. I am not sure he is there yet. Everyone needs to remember that Counsell had zero experience managing when the Brewers made him their manager. He was only in the front office at the time. Weeks actually has more coaching experience than Counsell did at the time of his hire as manager.

No it is not. It would be above market rate. Market rate takes the market as a whole. If you have 5 houses and three are $300k and one is $400k and the other is $200k the market rates would be $300k not the $400k one nor would it be the $200k one. Counsell was paid above marks rate and no changing it to being only one is not market rate either.

Nice game tonight and Giannis actually made some free throws. Middleton's minutes are starting to increase. Hopefully he will start to eat away some of Crowder's minutes. Crowder has been abysmal but his minutes should drop to about 20 per night once Middleton is fully healthy so there is that.

Both of those are probably round 2 QB's and Sanders maybe round 3. I think Sanders returns for his senior year as he needs to show another year of progress if he wants to get out of the 2nd or 3rd round area.

If you look at their schedules they don't have many winnable games left. I am also not saying they will only win one or two games. It is just on their schedule you can only mark one or two games as winnable for each team comparing the talent levels of each team. Going by the odds and how bad these teams have played I am fairly confident that the Cardinals, Bears, Patriots and Panthers may only win 2-3 more games this year. The Saints barely winning had more to do with the Saints than the Bears. That should have been absolute blowout but wasn't. The Saints still won and the Bears still looked awful like their record suggests they are. The Packers just don't have a chance to draft in the top 3 as one poster thought they had.

Other than the Godfather II and Titanic those are some very specific audiences that are being targeted. Lord of the Rings, Endgame and Avatar are all pushing the geek/nerd culture so they are willing to watch and stay for those movies. You could probably do an 8-hour movie on the Lord of the Rings and the people who are Lord of the Rings fans will go and watch it and probably won't complain about the length of the movie. I know of some people who watched all three in one sitting. The Taylor Swift concert movie is targeted at tween girls and soccer mom's. They would watch a whole concert movie if it were 4-5 hours long.

Wait I thought it was impossible to tell how a season will go? Not only do the Packers have to bypass the Bears, Cardinals and Panthers. They also have to bypass the Patriots and Giants. Far too many teams to bypass for the Packers and they just don't suck as much as those teams do. The Packers are stuck in the 6-11 to 8-9 win team area. Which puts them in the 5-12 pick range. It is going to be extremely hard to get into the top three picks for the Packers. Their schedule is not favorable for them to get into that range. The Bears actually have about the same schedule as the Packers and they maybe have 1 or 2 wins left in them. I said it before the Packers had about 4 wins in them yet. They got one of the wins I was thinking they would get against the Rams without their starting QB. The next 4 are probably loses for the Packers as these are all playoff teams bu then they have the Giants in Week 14, Panthers in Week 16 and the Bears in Week 18. There is also a maybe in there against the Buccaneers in Week 15. There are your 3 more wins to get what I predicted for the Packers even if they lose one of the games against the Giants, Panthers and Bears they have another maybe in the Buccaneers. That would put the Packers at 6-11 or 7-10 and probably puts them at the 8-10 draft pick range. The Panthers and Cardinals look like they are going to be 1-2 with the Patriots probably being the #3 pick team. The Patriots look like they have 3 winnable games. Only because it is hard to predict how a team will do playing over seas. The Colts could come out flat but even then they probably beat the Patriots. The Patriots only have two winnable games in the Giants and Broncos, though they did beat the Bills in week 7. The Cardinals even with Murray coming back are a dumpster fire. The Texans and Bears games are probably their only winnable games on their schedule. I wouldn't be surprised if they lose out or win three games. Even if they win three games that is a 4-13 season which I don't believe the Packers have any realistic chance in getting to. The most likely scenario would be the Packers finishing 6-11 on the season and getting the 7th or 8th pick in the draft. If the Packers want to trade up into the top 2 picks to get a QB they will need to either deal with the Bears, Patriots or Cardinals. All three of those teams could be looking at drafting a QB in the 1-3 slots. I don't think you could convince either of those three teams to trade their picks for anything short than a kings ransom. I am talking multiple first, second and third round picks. Probably at a minimum two first round picks, one second and two third round picks.

The name no one is talking about. Brent Suter! Convince him to retire and become a manager! This is half blue and not 100% serious.

With Yuni B as the pitching, hitting and bench coach!!!!!! WS here we come!!!!!

Hah I do the same!

The Cubs have done this twice now once to Sveum and now to Ross.

I think this is also telling where CC saw the Brewers going in the future. He can say it was about resetting the market but I think he sees that the Brewers will need to rebuild. I don’t think he wants to be part of a rebuild. Though choosing the Cubs is a bit confusing without them spending a ton this offseason on starters. I think this may signal a Burnes trade and refusing to tender a contract to Woodruff. This maybe a small reset this offseason for the Brewers. I wouldn’t rule out a Williams trade also.

I think it will be Villanueva. I believe they have been grooming him for awhile now. I wouldn’t mind Seitzer or DeRosa.

But Counsell was also taking the Mets job what happened there? Also Cohen will pay anything to get Counsell what happened with that?

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You still said the Mets were the only other option besides the Brewers and that Stearns was planning this since 2021! Plus Cohen would pay anything to get Counsell which also looks foolish right now. I also said if the Yankees job became available he would take the Yankees job. It never became available. But keep on believing your wild fantasy conspiracy theories.

So I was told that Counsell would be the Mets manager and no other team was a possibility. Looks like someone’s conspiracy theory was off again.

He is someone that I wanted the Bears to draft though I did have him mocked a few times to the Packers. He still needs to beef up a bit but that usually comes around year two. Van Ness was always going to be a project as he needs to be a lot stronger to be an every down edge in the NFL. The Packers should see him improve in year two like Brooks. He should be a bit bigger next year after going through an NFL conditioning program.

One thing I am not seeing discussed is the FA market which will have a big impact on Burnes value. I don't think the Brewers are going to get the offers that they will think is fair for Burnes. There are just a lot of quality FA pitchers available this off season. Burnes is also 3-years now removed from his CY Young season and he hasn't replicated or come close to that season since. I don't believe Burnes is viewed as an ace any more and more along the lines of a #1 or #2 type pitcher. If you think Burnes is going to get an ace pitcher type of return you are going to be very disappointed when you hear the names that will get thrown around for Burnes. Ultimately it will have to be someone who overpays maybe the Padres do this but I don't see any other team out there overpaying for Burnes and I definitely don't see the Dodgers overpaying for Burnes. I think someone like Busch will be the headliner in a Dodgers trade and then you are looking at Kopp, Wrobleski or Heubeck being the second piece and then someone like McLain, Casparius or Biddison being the third piece in a trade with the Dodgers. I just don't see the Dodgers giving up any of their close to ready pitching for Burnes and at best you are looking at Busch plus for Burnes if you are looking at the Dodgers. You would probably have to include Devin Williams to get one of their better prospects but why do that when you could get a better return from someone else for Devin alone.

The starting pitching FA market is actually rather strong this off season. You have the following players hitting FA. Stroman, Ryu, Perez, E. Rodriguez, Wood, Clevinger, Nola, Giolito, Gray, Snell, Severino, Montgomery, Odorizzi, Wacha, Flaherty, Miley, Maeda, Velasquez and Yamamoto. This is also not counting Ohtani who will miss all of the 2024 season and Kershaw who may miss half of the year. There is also Urias who has some serious legal issues to deal with. If Urias wouldn't be dealing with his issues and Ohtani was healthy this would have been the strongest pitching FA in a long time. There are a lot of options for #3-5 type starters. This is definitely a buyers market for these type of pitchers but still you are looking at something like $10-15m a year for some of these pitchers.