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Well if Giannis wants out we really dont have much of a choose. Players pretty muchly hold all the cards in the nba. The mismanagement has put us in a entire organization out of contention for like probably the next 10 years any way you slice it. I would love to keep Giannis for ever but if he ever wants to win it won't be in Milwaukee. A team with Kuzma and say Bobby Portis with a bunch of minimum salary guys likely isn't much better than 7th or 8th maybe 6th if Giannis is special like he normally is. However we can't content with teams that are 6 players as good or better than Bobby and Kuz.

Here are my initial thoughts on packages. 1) We get Chet Homgren, Cason Wallace, PJ Washington (trade away later), OKC (picks), Dallas Pick (future 1st), OKC gets Giannis, Dallas gets Lu Dort 2) We get Zion, Reed Shepherd, Tari Easton, Houton Picks Houston gets Giannis, NO gets Dillion Brooks and Jabari Smith 3) We get OG Anunoby, Mikal Bridges (probably trade both) and picks for Giannis and Pat C 4) We get Castle, Vassell, Sochan, #2, extra pick(s) for Giannis Here is my crazy deal We get Chet, Cason Wallace, Bradley Beal, Podziemski, Mark Williams, picks from OKC, Pheonix, and GS OKC gets Giannis Charlotte gets 2 1st (1 OKC, 1 GS) Phoenix gets Lu Dort, Pat C, Kuzma, Aaron Wiggins, sign and trade Kuminga (4/142) GS gets Durant

I feel like the young players the Rockets and Thunder have to go with picks makes them high on the list. The Spurs should be in the running though. Fox, Wemby, and Giannis is scary.

Yeah that does seem pretty close. I think Noelvi Marte was a top 50 prospect, Arroyo was borderline top 100, Stout was a borderline top 10 organizational guy, there was a throw in 4th prospect that I don't believe was much. Probably close to Burned when you boil it down.

Finding a recent trade to gauge value is tough for Freddy, We should get more than for Burnes because he has the extra 1/2 year, although he isn't really an ace. I would really prefer a package with like 2 high quality players/prospects than on with like 1 good prospect and 3 other nice pieces. I think we really need to think quality over quantity on any deadline deals this year.

I think there will be an option to sell and possible buy if the right young pieces are available. If Cortes, Civale, Quintana, or Alexander have any value they can go. If they market for relievers is high Megill has 2 years so dealing him for a big package would make sense. If anyone wants to overpay for another reliever that would be fine. If Freddy got us a top 50 prospect and a couple other solid pieces that would be fine with me (if under .500). I kind of like a Dodgers package of Alex Freeland, Eduardo Quintero, and 1 or 2 of Emmett Sheehan/River Ryan/Bobby Miller/Nick Frasso/Kyle Hurt/Jackson Ferris. However Dodgers prospects haven't panned out well. I would want an mlb ready left side of the infield IF and a high upside pitcher. The Mets for Jett Williams, Jonah Tong, and other pieces Red Sox for Marcelo Mayer (maybe we give them something extra) Rangers for Walcott Probably a half dozen other teams would be interested. I wonder if the Nationals would look to trade CJ Abrams, I know they were upset with him and suspended him the last week of last year. He is cheap and conrolable so he would be very expensive but if there is young talent like him available I could see us trying to add a star and still selling vets. Maybe the O's or Rays will be willing to sell an IF.

Ok here is some intersting stuff. Conner Thomas has more earned runs than Freddy Peralta. In fact, Thomas, Payamps, Nestor, ERod, Civale, Yoho account for 63 earned runs which is 38% of our earned runs. Despite only pitching 55 1/3 innings, which is 15% of the team innings. Contreras has 12 runners caught stealing 4 more than the next best. He is also close to the pace of 100 walks on the season (95ish pace) If he keeps his paces Chourio is in line for around 52 doubles, 28 HR, 100 rbi, 20 sb, 148 k, and 12 walks Joey Ortiz has the lowest ops in the league amongst qualifying hitters at .461, Vinny Capra's ops is .250. (The rest of 3rd base is bad as well). We are tied for last in 3rd base WAR -1.1 and last at SS -1.6.

The biggest mis-step was trading for and giving a ton of playing time to old bums. Serge Ibaka, Jae Crowder, Wes Matthews, George Hill, Goran Dragic, Joe Ingles among others striped us of numerous 2nd round picks and ate up minutes young developing guys should have been playing. Look at how much better this team was playing fast with KPJ, Green, and Rollins. We should have a couple Payton Pritchard/Naz Ried style players instead of those old wasted bums.

Any chance that if Wilken stays hot for a couple weeks more that we just have him skip AAA and go to the bigs? I know it's not really our org. way but we need an offensive boost and no one is as hot as Brock.

Would we be able to pry Josh Jung (or Josh Smith) away from Texas? They have lots of pitching needs especially bullpen help maybe OF help when Mitchell is back. With Josh Smith, Seager, and Semien as well as Duran and prospects they could let Jung (or Smith) go. It might be a good chance to turn some quantity into quality. Would Payamps, Peguero, and Perkins for Jung be to much trash for a quality player.

If we were to acquire Mayer or just have Pratt explode and get a call up my guess is that either of them would just play SS. Move Ortiz back to 3B where he was great defensively (if the bat come back around).

I don't have to many problems with Arnold. It's not his fault Yeli and Contreras aren't living up to expectation and none of us would have invasion Joey Ortiz's bat to fall apart. As others have mentioned the other options at 3rd that we could afford have not been good. You can beat him up some for the Devin return, Smith debacle, and the Priester overpay but also need to give credit for Myers, Patrick, and basically the entire bullpen. No other team could lose their offensive leader, top notch closer, have the 2-8 starters miss extended time while only having a 120 million dollar budget (or so) and be around .500. Arnold has at least through the trade deadline before I start getting critical of his job. Individual moves, yes I will criticize but Arnold overall is still top notch in my book.

We are 20-21, just a smidgen over 1/4 of the way through the year. I like to think at 1/4 of the way it is OK to make diffinitive statements that don't include small the phrases sample size or it is early in the year. Yes the term there is a lot of season left is OK. Here are my observations. 1) We need someone to jump start this offense badly. Yeli and Contreras have been underwhelming. Chourio shows some signs but needs a slight adjustment to take more walks (or chase less pitches). Sal and Turang have been good but aren't the run producers we need. 2) The pitching has been great, especially when you take account of the injuries sustained. The bullpen is starting to take shape and looks to be close to settled. It will be really interesting to see how Arnold manages the roster spots over the next couple weeks as Woody, Civale, Ashby, Hall finish rehab. Not to mention Misi and likely Yoho deserving big league innings. I have been mentioning trading pitching for a 3B/SS as much as possible. 3)The future looks brighter than ever, even though the big league team isn't quite where we would all like it. Our minors seem to be getting deeper and deeper. 4) I am predicting a very active trade season. We will likely be one of the only teams with excess mlb arms to trade away and prospect to send out to add. Hopefully Arnold can find a way to add a controllable potential star or two that will help us catch the cubs this year and contribute long term.

I kind of was looking at as who deserves a promotion. I was thinking Made and Pena would be a month or so away but both are showing the upside that they will get a promotion by at least half way. I would move Burke to AA and then one of Boeve or Wilken to keep playing time available in AA and move and get an upside prospect to AAA. I think Dinges and Josh A can still work on some weaknesses at Appleton so a promotion based on the advanced bat still makes sense. I was kind of hoping some others would make lists just to see how you all evaluate who is most ready for promotions as well.

So on that list it would be one of Boeve or Wilken to get an upside 3B to AAA, both of Made and Pena maybe like June, and I put Henderson and Rodriguez there because they have been very good but likely won't get a shot for a while with Woody, Civale, Hall, and Ashby all on rehab. I left Yoho off as well but think a couple good AAA appearances should get him back in the bigs. I could see EMJ, Liranzo, Longhorn, Garcia, Hardin, Pratt, Crow, Peguero, Letson, Meccage, among others as deserving.

I think this might be a fun exercise as most minor league regulars are getting to 100 abs or the 30-40 inning marks. 1. Justin Yeager 2. Jadher Arienamo 3. Blake Burke 4. Jacob Misiorowski 5. Josh Adamczeski 6. Marco Dinges 7. Tanner Gillis 8. Logan Henderson/Carlos Rodriguez 9. Brock Wilken/Mike Boeve 10. Jesus Made/Luis Pena There are probably a few more relievers in the Yeager, Gillis mold that deserve a promotion. I could easily see a dozen or so othe deserving options.

It's nice to see Tanner Shears in the rookie ball box score. Hopefully he can return to full strength. Bobby Dalbac is an interesting add, kind of the definition of a AAAA player. Very good in AAA but little mlb success. Here's to hoping he can break through however adding cast-offs from the White Sox might not be the best strategy.

Maybe he is turning the corner? Even though the ERA is still gross, I am pretty sure after a little rough start last year he had a really good last like 40 appearances or something like that.

I am not able to watch the game today but am following the mlb GameDay app. Any reason Quintana only threw 75 pitches? It seemed like he was pitching ok but the defense let him down. I was all ready to praise Koenig when he went in for the 6th and then he gives up a run.

I can't see how Misi doesn't earn a promotion after that start. Would Freddy, Patrick, Quintana, Myers, Woody, and Misi as a 6 man work or would people prefer to use Misi in a piggyback or opener situation. I guess if he is throwing 100 at pitch 90 something I would just go 6 man rotation and figure it out when Civale is ready.

In general I would say they matter, just based on logic. If strikeouts are good for pitchers that means logically they are bad for hitters. I feel like they don't matter if the player is being productive and hitting the ball hard in the other ab's. I do think they matter to guys who don't slug well. For example, Collins and Capra both have 14 k's in similar amounts of ab's. Joey Ortiz has 21 k's and Hoskins has 27 k's in similar ab's, the k's don't matter much when comparing 2 guys but with you compare a team as an entire lineup. For the most part, the teams at the bottom 10 of the league in strikeouts don't end up in say the top 10 in the league for runs (it can happen).

I can't see any of our free agents getting a comp. at this time. Maybe Woodruff if he is lights out for 15-20 starts but with his extended rehab I don't think the top of the rotation stuff is coming back. If he can get to 93-95 consistently he has some upside to come back but I doubt the 95-98 is going to be back at this point. I am pretty sure Cortes is going to have to go one 1 year deals, it has been a while since he has been good and/or consistently healthy. Civale is probably in that boat as well. If Peralta continues the way he has started it is going to be really interesting to see if we trade him. If we got a Burnes like package 3 good pieces, 2 of which are mlb ready current or past top 100 players it would be hard to pass on. I think some of that depends on oh well our young pitchers finish the year Myers, Patrick, Misi, Henderson CarRod, Priester, Gasser, and guys like Wichrowski/Hunt can form a solid rotation but could use an ace. I wish that the team would have tried to extend him this offseason (if they didn't).

I would promote him if he stays hot for a week, this guy needs some positive to balance out the past year (baseball wise). It sounds like his defense has improved and he has had a lot of positive this year even if the walk rate is crazy unsustainable. He is repeating AA and even played there at the tail end of 2023, I just think the time is right to give him some good news and kick start the bat and aggressiveness into AAA. It would really be nice to have an option where Wilken and Boeve could be ready to help the big league team at some point this year an open up some room behind them for our loaded lower level IF prospects.

I am not majorly concerned with Contreras, he just isn't squaring the ball up IMO. He has always been one to adjust his stance and set-up based on what he is trying to do off a pitcher. I don't worry because he is still hitting around .250, he is taking walks and no striking out much (22 bb to 25 k). We will need Contreras and Yeli to get on track to be a contender but it is a long year, maybe when we get to June and his power is still not back I will start to worry a tad. I worry more about Joey Ortiz than anyone at this point, I thought he was a guy who would obviously take a step forward. At this point, Ortiz having a ops about .300 points lower than I had hoped and having an overall -1.0 WAR is what is really hurting the team. We knew 3B was going to be a hodgepodge and might take 1/2 the year to find.

I don't expect Anderson or Ortuno to be in rookie ball long. I would think there is a string of promotions with a couple weeks, Wilken AAA, Jadher AA, Josh A, Dinges A+, that might be a chance for one or both of them and then maybe mid June-ish I would expect the better Carolina guys to move up as well. Maybe by the midJune area a couple of the other teenagers like Corobo, Quintana, or other will be ready as well.