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Yeah, I don't really get it. A plus defender at SS and 3B, hit for power... Hopefully we don't...and then we can call him up or send him down depending on what we need.
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Dude...seriously? You're back now 4 days later to harp on this again? I'm not arguing the semantics over getting "handed" a job. Adames produced, the Rays...as they do, didn't wanted to ensure he didn't get a full year of service time. He was made their starting SS. Also...you factoring in the rehab stints in those AAA numbers since you want to nit pick the hell out of this? Or that Turang WOULD have spent 2020 in AA, but...ya know, Covid? How about we just go with a more Apples to Apples comp. Production in AAA before they were called up; Adames Numbers his LAST year in AAA before he was deemed ready .286 .353 .412 .765 Turang this past year in AAA when he hasn't performed well enough. .286 .360 .412 .772 LOL...what are you arguing right now? I don't care what Turang DIDN'T do in AA in the year he DIDN'T play there because there WASN'T a minor league season. I care a WHOLE lot less about what they did in A ball and I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make at this point, but...it's not landing and this is just getting old and repetitive. Turang has performed well in AAA. He performed better than Adames did immediately before Adames was called up and that was for the organization we should be modeling ourselves after, right? So what's the problem?
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They could also trade Savage as it's all base salary, no cap hit. As for depth, it appears as Ford is providing quite a bit right now. Amos has an 8M cap hit, they'd need to extend him before the league year starts and the 6M wouldn't accelerate on next years cap. Jones will be interesting. Cutting him creates 11M cap space, extending him can create cap space. He looks as good this year as he has. RB is also a position that you can find really valuable players as FAs or late in the draft. Like I said, the final 7 games is going to answer a LOT of questions, particularly with the young players. Bakh is a candidate to take a pay cut IMO. He can cut his base salary next year. But that's kinda tough to figure out right now. If he finishes out the season playing regularly and not missing any more time...while playing at the level he's been playing at, then a pay cut seems unlikely. Yosh is still an ERFA. Gary is going to be really interesting. I could see an extension. 5/125 would be in the range, but given the injury, I'd guess the SB and GTD money would be significantly lower that could have a large roster bonus in '24? I don't know what they will do...or really have an opinion on what they should do right now, but if they want to think the OL/Skill positions will bounce back and they can compete next year, the salary cap won't stop them from being a competitive team.
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I hate this argument. Lots of teams make mistakes. The Rangers had half a year to evaluate him after he came back from two years of not pitching in live games and struggled after moving up to AA. Lots of players get picked in the later rounds, players are not protected and go on to be extremely successful. Even the Padres looking for closers have traded Clase and Bednar. It'd be silly to select him with the expectation that he's going to contribute to the team this year. BUT...he does have the type of stuff where he could eventually turn into that type of role. It's more likely than the Ethan Small->Josh Hader comp or...I don't know, Clancy has projected a lot of future Hader's, but as someone you just try and get through the year with, he could be interesting. It's also not that crazy that if could become an asset out of the pen if he's just throwing his FB/Slider and not worrying about trying to hold his stuff for 5-6 innings and throw a 3rd pitch. But he hasn't had success above A+, so...again, that shouldn't really be a factor this year.
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None of us here are actually making any of these calls, so I don't know if "we" are planning on going into the season with Urias at 3B, but the top 3B on the FA market...is Jace Peterson. Who is the 3B we should be talking about? You want a catcher...cool. I'd gladly take Contreras as a FA. I don't think that's going to happen. So no 3B, SS is set. Wong or maybe Segura are the top 2B. Catcher is a possible position to upgrade. OR a 1B who just happens to fit into the lineup about as perfectly as possible. A guy who hits for a high average and crushes left handed pitching?
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None of us here are actually making any of these calls, so I don't know if "we" are planning on going into the season with Urias at 3B, but the top 3B on the FA market...is Jace Peterson. Who is the 3B we should be talking about? You want a catcher...cool. I'd gladly take Contreras as a FA. I don't think that's going to happen. So no 3B, SS is set. Wong or maybe Segura are the top 2B. Catcher is a possible position to upgrade. OR a 1B who just happens to fit into the lineup about as perfectly as possible. A guy who hits for a high average and crushes left handed pitching?
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Yeah, you really didn't though. In your world, Renfroe is getting non-tendered either way. So...how does his loss factor in? Lauer? It was laughable to call him a #3, right? So now it's a #4/5? I don't know what's NOT laughable to you. But a back of the rotation pitcher(per you) and Tellez vs Abreu. This is a circular argument as you're the one who made the claim they absolutely HAD to get rid of those players in order to add ABREU...so it started with your faulty premise, then I pointed out IF they did trade those players, they'd get talent back for them...and it seemingly went over your head.
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Yeah, you really didn't though. In your world, Renfroe is getting non-tendered either way. So...how does his loss factor in? Lauer? It was laughable to call him a #3, right? So now it's a #4/5? I don't know what's NOT laughable to you. But a back of the rotation pitcher(per you) and Tellez vs Abreu. This is a circular argument as you're the one who made the claim they absolutely HAD to get rid of those players in order to add ABREU...so it started with your faulty premise, then I pointed out IF they did trade those players, they'd get talent back for them...and it seemingly went over your head.
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He's gotta spend 90 days up I believe. Unless it's changed. It seems like there are a lot of talented players are exposed. But a lefty who can hit triple digits and has a plus slider? Better risk than Wang. Plus, we've already had him in the system. I didn't like the Bush trade at the time because I didn't want to get rid of him, so it'd be cool to get him back. There's also 2-3 40 man spots that we could realistically open up. I'll definitely swap out Antoine for Trevor Kelly.
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The Case for Trea Turner in Brewer Gold
UpandIn replied to Kyle Ginsbach's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
I thought it was gonna take a turn... I personally think Turang is similar to Turner...and THAT is where he was going. I thought it was a little misdirection. Could Turang be our Trea Turner(a similar type player, I'm not saying he's going to be as good). I didn't think it was just a "lets spend 35M a year to sign a player to replace our best player and one of our top prospects! Yeah...small market!" -
The Case for Trea Turner in Brewer Gold
UpandIn replied to Kyle Ginsbach's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
I thought it was gonna take a turn... I personally think Turang is similar to Turner...and THAT is where he was going. I thought it was a little misdirection. Could Turang be our Trea Turner(a similar type player, I'm not saying he's going to be as good). I didn't think it was just a "lets spend 35M a year to sign a player to replace our best player and one of our top prospects! Yeah...small market!" -
I loved Kelly. He looked great. But with a limit of 13 pitchers on the roster, this is tough to pull off. 90 days, a few blisters pop up? I don't know, could be a good idea.
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Yeah....I'd much rather have Contreras. I'd rather have Judge as well. I don't really see Contreras being a realistic target though. He wants 5/100 and given the state of catching...that doesn't seem like a reach.
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Yeah....I'd much rather have Contreras. I'd rather have Judge as well. I don't really see Contreras being a realistic target though. He wants 5/100 and given the state of catching...that doesn't seem like a reach.
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It's hard to sift through all the contradictions. It's funny that Lauer is a #3...but it'd hurt so much to lose him? Renfroe is going to be non-tendered...so then he'd already be gone, right? And no, I didn't say that was a good idea. If they're going to non-tender Renfroe like you're say and if they bring in Abreu over Tellez, that's a pretty big upgrade. You're the one who came up with this either or all on your own. I simply pointed out we wouldn't just be losing all three players for nothing.
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It's hard to sift through all the contradictions. It's funny that Lauer is a #3...but it'd hurt so much to lose him? Renfroe is going to be non-tendered...so then he'd already be gone, right? And no, I didn't say that was a good idea. If they're going to non-tender Renfroe like you're say and if they bring in Abreu over Tellez, that's a pretty big upgrade. You're the one who came up with this either or all on your own. I simply pointed out we wouldn't just be losing all three players for nothing.
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Well, we were headed into last year about 40M over the salary cap, so coming to a figure on how much cap space we've got before the cap is even set...
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He must have gotten into it with the coaches and I doubt it was a one time thing. Oh well. I think he was a talented back...he came all the way back from that ugly injury, so yeah, it had to have been pretty egregious.
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By the way...I'm not sure if I missed this or what, but why the hell did the Panthers turn down TWO 1sts+ a 2nd for Brian Burns from the Rams? The Rams who...if they keep doing what they're doing, those two 1sts could both be top 10 picks...while you'll now be paying Burns a MASSIVE new deal because you just turned down 2 1sts PLUS a 2nd for him. We know they turned down a 1st rounder for DJ Moore from up(thank you). So instead of a top 15 pick this year(most likely) from us, and then 2 top 15 picks in the next two years(Rams don't have their 1st this year I don't think...still going to the Lions). And then a pick around 45, PLUS what will probably be top 10 picks for themselves. That's crazy. 45M on the cap a year for those two players. I think I'd do this if I was the Packers and had Gary and we weren't competitive. Hell, if he gets healthy next year and looks like the same player...we might wanna do that at that point anyway.
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Yeah, all of this. Head Coaches spend 100+ hours in the NFL working on a game plan each week and a LOT more goes into it than NBA or MLB. I don't have a big problem with it either, but I think it's kinda silly. McAfee said that Irsay reached out to 3 other players as well. So this feels like a publicity thing. Saturday doesn't want this job full time, right? He had a cushy TV job, he made plenty of money. Now the stress, the OTAs and the Mini-camps you have to plan out down to the second, the open workouts, the roster building...all that ****.
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Yes, but if he's taking over in 2023 for Aaron Jones, he'd be a 3rd year player at that point.
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LOL...of course. Beer and Hot Dogs. I don't need a shirtless calendar from my team. I don't care if you're fat if you can hit. I wasn't really bothered by Prince or CC's physique!
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LOL...of course. Beer and Hot Dogs. I don't need a shirtless calendar from my team. I don't care if you're fat if you can hit. I wasn't really bothered by Prince or CC's physique!
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OR it could just mean the Brewers are taking the additional revenue from revenue sharing to spend on Abreu. Or they're pushing their payroll up a bit as Attanasio said they were capable of last year. BUT, lets so you do hypothetically trade Renfroe, Lauer and Tellez. You're not just losing those 3-4 players. It's not like you'd non-tender them. Renfroe-Wiemer gets into the lineup, adds much better defense, speed. Likely falls well short of his offensive output, but you still come out ahead with Jose Abreu, pretty much the perfect fit on the market who's at all reasonable. Lauer-You don't have an in-house replacement, but 2 years left of a #3 caliber pitcher would...or SHOULD definitely net you at least one valuable high leverage reliever at the very least. Rowdy-You get Abreu to replace him, and you get back...I don't know, a lottery ticket.
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OR it could just mean the Brewers are taking the additional revenue from revenue sharing to spend on Abreu. Or they're pushing their payroll up a bit as Attanasio said they were capable of last year. BUT, lets so you do hypothetically trade Renfroe, Lauer and Tellez. You're not just losing those 3-4 players. It's not like you'd non-tender them. Renfroe-Wiemer gets into the lineup, adds much better defense, speed. Likely falls well short of his offensive output, but you still come out ahead with Jose Abreu, pretty much the perfect fit on the market who's at all reasonable. Lauer-You don't have an in-house replacement, but 2 years left of a #3 caliber pitcher would...or SHOULD definitely net you at least one valuable high leverage reliever at the very least. Rowdy-You get Abreu to replace him, and you get back...I don't know, a lottery ticket.
