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Rutgers looks like a pretty talented team...that plays with absolutely ZERO discipline offensively. They just dribble the ball in circles, very little movement, just trying to win off the dribble.

He just feels more plausible to me. Snell seems too unrealistic. I would think the Yanks or someone would give Snell 4-5 years at 35. I'd love to be wrong about that.

Right...I was making a point about Guerendo as a prospect. I think there's decent depth there as well.

You're also getting Ashby back, you have what appears to be a better, deeper pen with MeGill and Uribe appearing to have figured it out and more depth. One pitcher who is a good bet to give you 180+ innings at a sub 4 ERA would, IMO, make this team much better on paper than last year. Of course, those pitchers are expensive for a reason...but it'd be fun. I also don't think I can stomach watching the Cubs beat us in the near future. I want the Counsell move to have the opposite impact desired. Watch the Cubs win 70 games and the Brewers improve the year after he leaves. Prove that he doesn't actually make a big impact(though...I think he does).

I wouldn't even consider it if it were up to me. You have Jones, I like Wilson, there are a lot of good backs out there. 10M on top of whatever Jones will cost, it makes little sense. Using Free Agency to address more pressing needs opens the door up to be able to draft a RB in the 2nd rd if they want. If they think Wright is a good fit or...Brooks, whoever. On that note, Marshon Lattimore appears to be a trade candidate OR a FA candidate. He reminds me a little bit of Woodson. He's a physical CB. Very good cover corner. Not sure he's quite as good as his reputation, but he'd certainly be an upgrade. A deal would have to be worked out before a trade as he is also owed ~13M before the first week of the regular season...similar to Rodgers deal last year. Gutey has talked about potentially using draft picks to acquire vets. Not sure exactly what makes sense here. Maybe a 5th? It's hard for me to guess with these veteran players who are pro-bowlers, but past their peak. Or even sometimes still at their peak.

Bills cutting Tre'Davious White. Makes sense, kinda a no-brainer...would be a very interesting guy to take a flier on. 250K signing bonus with the veteran salary benefit...whatever. Tack on some incentives. ACL and then the real killer, the Achilles, but if he's back week 8 next year and playing well, that could be a game changer. ON that note, their once elite safety duo are both on the market in Poyer and Hyde. Byard also a FA. A few vets who could help during the transition, lets them draft a safety and provides some depth. Not play A, but a lot of safety's on this FA market who could help. Much fewer good corners as usual.

Isn't this pretty much every sport? The team has a mountain of information, the average fan, even the really hardcore fan who follows these prospects, they've got a fraction of that information... I certainly had opinions on who I wanted to see or what I wanted the Brewers to do, same goes with the Packers, Bucks, etc...but ultimately, your confidence in the players should be informed more by the confidence in the team. They seem to do more with less and see the upside in guys. Joe Ross is one guy I could see now that he's healthy being a really nice starter. Not expecting 200 innings, but 120?

I'd love Barkley on this team...and he fits what the Packers are trying to do, but I don't think it's a good idea to pay him the ~10M a year I think he'll get. If they spend on a RB...and I hope they don't, my guess is it'd be Derrick Henry based on Gutekunsts statements. Henry is also just a freak in his durability and he's stated his priority is to win a SB. He's also already gotten paid. I don't think that means you'd get him cheap, but it might mean you could get him for 1 year at a reasonable rate. It really doesn't make sense, but they aggressively went after Taylor last year(he would make sense this year). I really thought McKinney would get a transition tag, but they didn't even bother to do that. The start of Free Agency will be interesting. I think Gutekunst is going to be aggressive early like 2019, but...we'll see.

I wouldn't mind a couple hares, but I do think this group will perform better than they're currently projected...and I trust the Brewers to get guys like...Tyson Ross throw well. Couple that with what should be an outstanding defense and I don't think the run prevention takes as big of a hit as some expect.

I guess I'd focus the attention on the guys with high ceilings who are willing to sign. I'm not viewing it as an either-or. I think it makes sense to sign as many young players as you can(obviously if they appear to be high-ceiling young players, not Blake Perkin). I'd sign Contreras using the Sean Murphy deal as a starting point, adjusting as he's a year behind. Wiemer as I think he could be signed to a favorable contract and has massive upside. Uribe...obviously. I view it like picking stocks. Obviously if there's a...Microsoft, it make sense to buy that. But it also makes sense to invest in a smaller sector ETF. A smaller, select group. You may have a couple that are losers are don't grow a lot, but if you group them together, you'll most likely see returns on your investment. I understand the counterpoint though. Just agree to disagree.

Ok...it can be for less than Mis would get at a comparable point in their careers, but Mis isn't at that point. He's hopefully a year away from that point. I guess I just disagree. An Ashby or Peralta-type deal for Uribe is a relatively safe offer at this point. He's a reliever. We also weren't sure what Ashby was(still aren't) at the time of that extension. 6 years and ~25M for a guy with THAT type of stuff who's already shown how dominant he can be, I feel like you're buying early on a stock that's only going up. I guess I'm just not quite as risk adverse to giving a reliever an extension if I think they're unique type talents...

Well...we know a couple of pitchers the Brewers didn't offer contract extensions to(at least from 2020 through now). One of them is now in Baltimore at the moment. Just off the top of my head, along with the 10 players from the last two years, Austin Riley and Sean Murphy should also be on that list. Players like financial security. The question also is less who will accept one and more who should they TRY to sign next.

No, of course not...but I think there could be some value from Dame being "the guy," for a couple of games. He's seemed just a bit too tentative all year. His big game tonight was huge. I want Giannis back if he's healthy, but I think this could be a 5-7 day stretch that it MIGHT be good for the team to play without him(though I suspect he'll be back tomorrow).

If Guerendo is a top-10 back, then this is a bad RB class...especially over a guy like Ray Davis who you didn't have listed. I DO see that Benson is just a few spots ahead of him at 134, so I wouldn't put much stock in that. That's also the site that didn't have a draftable grade on Dillon. And Wright was 54th going into the combine on PFF?

Anyone watch the Badgers close enough to have a strong opinion on him? An athlete like is what we need at Center, but I don't know how good he really is. I thought he looked pretty good at times last year, but I probably watched him specifically for 10 snaps. See a nice hole, rewind, and see the blocking.

I thought it was kinda a running joke. If the Packers interviewed them, they weren't going to take them. Then I think '22 they interviewed Wyatt, Watson, guys like Pickens and...I don't recall exactly who else, but it was more top 60 talent and then players they drafted than they previously had. Now they might just be trying to keep you guessing! Well...Hafley said he'd coach up whoever was out there. I'd love to see the Packers take Fuaga, then trade back up and take Worthy in the first round...if for no other reason than I wouldn't have to hear what the Packers WON'T do. Though taking a WR when they really don't need one would be about the most Packers pick yet. Suamatia does seem like a "Packers pick." Extremely athletic, versatile. He and Morgan are pretty similar in that regard. Suamatia was in some of the "way too early" mocks in the top 5-10. Draft crushes and predicting the Packers are both mostly fools errands, but if they were to get a defensive player in Rd1(Cooper, DeJean...trade up maybe for Mitchell)...there are 3-4 guys who are obvious Packers-type picks in Rd2. Barton, Morgan...again, Suamatia. We're also all looking at this through a pre-free agency lens.

I was talking about BEFORE the combine. There's no world I take anyone seriously who had Guerendo top 10 before(and I'm still not sure I'd take them seriously after). And nobody had Jaylen Wright near 54 before this past weekend. He was ~115 with a 4th-grade grade on most sites. I also forgot about Benson. Even Estime is ~100th on most rankings. So the point is the top of the class was always perceived to be weak which, IMO, then makes people say the RB class is weak.

It's still Alt for me. I watched Walker, so while PFF is a decent source, he had so much help that it took Aaron Jones out of the passing game too often(though it worked in Dallas). Of course, the only position you give up 2 1sts PLUS your 2nds for would be a QB. But in this exercise, Joe Alt is still my favorite player in this class...that I think the Packers actually need. If I'm proven wrong and the issues that plagued Walker at PSU don't crop back up and he continues to ascend, then you could move Tom to Center and three most important positions on the OL would be set. I've also said I believe MLF and Rodgers, now Love, really help the OL out. They get the ball out so quickly and their PA game is so good, the other teams edges are seldom just pinning their ears back. So that, the double teams, I just don't put a lot of stock in that ranking. He(and the OL as a whole) really improved from Oct...and they're just not giving up that draft capital anyway. I don't think he was ever you HOPED Alt could become though. I think if you put in there straight off the draft, he'd be an immediate and significant upgrade...and that's not even addressing the run which is a weakness with Walker. You hope Alt is going to be an All-Pro. Walker was graded as an above-average OT for half the season...with help and a lot of quick throws(though again, he clearly did improve). On to more realistic moves though, A 3rd to move up to ~20 though could be interesting. DeJean may end up being there at 25 if he doesn't workout though...and he's that physical ball-hawk we need. Mitchell impressed at his Sr Bowl appearance. One more OL. Tyler Guyton, according to scouts/draft experts, has the highest upside of any OT in this draft AFTER Alt. It's a year later and Brooks surpassed all expectations, but he's another guy who might really benefit from playing more 1-gap. I don't recall the source, but it talked about how Brooks was a much more effective pass rusher and run defender when he played outside. I think that Niche role you talked about could grow. Line him up more as a 6 tech in some odd fronts and he may not be a true edge, but there could be more production yet to come. Meanwhile Wooden, the guy who looks like an edge, he performed better playing inside. Both had really nice rookie seasons(especially for going in rds 6 and 4 respectively) but hopefully with a DC who's more willing to play to his personell's strengths, there's more to their game yet.

No, I don't think it's crazy. If you were absolutely certain this guy would be Randy Moss, but even better as a "possession" WR, then...it'd probably be an appropriate value. I'm also with you on Fuaga. He's a mauler and many think his pass-blocking is underrated. Just physically dominating, but needs to refine his technique(most OTs coming out do, Wright last year was one of the few who was really-really refined). I'm stubborn though. If I was going to go all Madden and trade all that draft capital(and then not have a 1st when the draft is hosted at GB...which MIGHT actually be a tiny factor) it'd still be for Joe Alt.

I can't watch a game with my Dad anymore. Anytime I talk to him about the Bucks or... god-forbid watch a game with the Bucks, I hear how his HS coach taught him to "follow your shot," and that's what good teams do! Yeah, you'll probably get a couple extra rebounds...and when you DON'T get the rebound, they're in transition, and they've got a good shot in the first 6-8 seconds of the shot clock! I loved Doc saying he doesn't have a "system per-say, it's just about ball movement and connectivity." We've watched SOOO much Bucks basketball, even when they were winning when you see 4 guys standing around and one guy dribbling. If they get in trouble, maybe someone cuts, but the ball movement has been so-so much better. Apparently, Pat Bev told Dame he needs to shoot the ball now like he has been. Take those 34-foot shots that he's going to take in the playoffs. Dame kinda deferred and said he'd take them when he needed to, ie, the post-season...and Pat Bev said, "no, we need you to take those now so the guys can learn to play off it, see how the ball comes off when you miss, the long rebounds." Don't remember if that was mentioned on the broadcast or not, but I've long admired Pat Bev, but he really is a team guy. And man, he would piss me off if I competed against him in any sport! He loves to just get in guys' heads and get them off their games. It's a thing of beauty!

I think this will push him up the board between 25 and 41(if not earlier). Watson changes the game and opens up the offense so much when he's on the field, IF Worthy did happen to fall into the 2nd, down to the 50s it'd be an interesting decision. Add to an already-loaded position group to protect against Watson's injuries, or go after a bigger need. That's why I think that's the position they'll aggressively pursue in free agency. Xavier McKinney would be a...perfect fit. He's young, 24-years-old. He'd be able to grow and develop with this group, and he is coming off an All-Pro caliber season. He really fits the type of safety Hafley was describing in his presser. He can play CF, cover a ton of ground, he's a really good tackler coming up, can play in the box. He's not going to amaze people, but I think he could have an Adrian Amos-type impact(while being better in coverage). Dugger or Kurl are also really interesting options for that Big Nickel 3 safety formation. I just don't see enough safety talent to try and go get 3 guys in this draft and then hope they contribute this year. That could also mean Savage is back. I think they'll draft 3-4 DBs, 2-3 OL, a LBer or 2(likely one "LBer" will be a big safety). The only thing remarkable about this safety class is it seems to have more big, physical, in the box type safeties and fewer really good athletes who can play single high. So that's why McKinney would be a perfect signing for them. Spotrac projects his market value to be at 5/53M It projects Winfield's to be at ~5/90 I love Winfield...and Budda who I thought would be a FA(Still could be traded, likely for a 4th-5th if so) but this just sounds too similar to what Hafley was asking for and again, 24, he can grow with this team over the next 3-4 years; I think we'll hear a report about them agreeing to terms on the 13th. Again, Jordan Fuller, Whitehead may be backup plans. Devin White could be a guy on a one year "prove it" deal...but I don't think that'd be as impactful of a signing at this point.

You watch any Ray Davis from UK? That kid reminds me a lot of Jones. Shorter, great vision, quickness. Doesn't have great high end speed, but enough(4.52). And he's a good pass catcher. Re'Mahn Davis, Ray Davis... Blake Watson isn't an every-down back, but I like him as well. I think it's a good RB class, but people generally seem to deem it a good or bad class based on the top-end talent. This class, the top backs are...Brooks, injured. And then? Shipley? He's not an every-down back. Bucky Irvin is up there, but he's also not a complete back, but could be a great supplemental player in our offense. Seems like a late 2, early 3 though. Rd 4-5 might be an area where you can find a lot of talent.

All fair points. I'm just looking at where I think prices will go for dominant BP arms that I think Uribe is...a near lock if healthy to become. The one point, that'd be more than Edwin Diaz made...technically, but if you adjust the minimum salaries, Diaz makes more. And I'd also say if you were looking at closer salaries 6-8 years ago, two guys making 100M and 20 AAV would have sounded absurd. So...I think there's more upside to it than you're inferring and then the option to keep him is...huge. But I guess it comes down to betting on Uribe reaching his upside vs the downside.

Again, agree. Now that the Packers have a little money and we know they're itching to upgrade the RB room, which deal would you do, a 2/8 for a good back who's got some potential, but hasn't been a star, or would you rather go 3/27 with 10M GTD for a guy like Barkley? Go for the HR and the big-time difference maker? I'm kinda comparing Gibson and Barkley, but that's because I'm a fan of Gibson, but you can make Pollard or whoever the cheaper one. Barkley is the type of guy who could still have a 2000-yard-type season(from scrimmage) and carry you. I think it's still POSSIBLE you get a CMIII type season from Saquan...or, for that matter, a 1200 yard season from Henry as he just keeps defying the offs physically.

I think you want to do both...BUT this year is a unique year in which there are so many proven RBs who are still just 24-26. That's why I'm saying Antonio Gibson. Fits this offense like a glove as the motion man. Could easily have him and Jones on the field at the same time, he's a slasher. He can lineup at WR. And because Washington turned the RB job over to Robinson, Gibson is coming off a couple mediocre type years. I think he comes to GB and rushes for 500 yards, up to 900 if Jones misses time and he'll give you 35 catches and 400 yards out of the backfield. He can handle a lot of the jet sweeps, or fake jet sweeps and then hit him on the wheel route...and he can block. BUT, I don't think you ignore RB, I just think it allows you to wait for a RB. If Bucky Irvin if there at 126, then it's an easy call. HR speed, could be a Mossert type back in this offense...but you also don't have to go get him at pick 88. So yeah, I'd agree with you. I wouldn't spend more than 4-5M for a year or commit more than ~10M total to a player though.