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Yeah, I really don't have a problem with how they're using him. Maybe the Minnesota game, but he started out coming back from injury, they like using him in the middle innings, which are huge or a couple innings to close out games, save the pen and keep him throwing multiple innings...usually. I think the "Average Leverage Index" is...flawed. A .40 for coming in vs the Cubs in the 6th inning(in what ended up an 8-7 game, though I realize that's not included)? He came in vs the Padres down 2-0 and 1-0 and the ALI was .22 and .90. Those are important innings. The Brewers get leads and have pitchers that usually go ~5 innings(I'd guess our starters are close to 5 innings per outing). So a dominant reliever who takes over from there or who can finish out the game...especially in a pitcher you still want to become a starter, I'm alright with it. Alexander on the other hand, he was used as a starter when we were just trying to get innings and then early in the year before Uribe had established himself AND multiple extra innings games when we were just trying to survive, but far more in blowouts. But even if you did want to make Ashby a one inning reliever and use him like you use Koenig or Uribe...I don't think that's means you don't try and add another BP arm who can push Mears down a rung on the ladder. Mostly I just like how he's covering multiple innings, giving the Brewers a chance to add to the lead or in most instances, shutting the other team down so we can come back from a run or two down, staying healthy and saving the BP more than we were earlier in the season.

Are we still talking about Abrams? I don't think that gets it done. He's a young SS they're building around. Him, Wood, Crews...Gore.

That'd probably mean things haven't gone great. Cortes is a nice pitcher, but he's a soft tossing lefty. If he's ahead of Peralta, he's fallen off and if he's ahead of Mis, they haven't managed his innings or he's hurt. If he's ahead of Woodruff...well, same. I expect him to get stronger as the year goes(but probably not have that level of command/movement).

Why not? I mean, it's one start for Woody, but he was locating so well. Misiorowski looks like a dominant, overpowering pitcher(innings is a concern there). This is the type of year a team like the Brewers ends up winning it. They're young, have a ton of talent, a very good rotation...that can get better still(Logan Henderson). I like the idea. I agree with the following couple replies, but a guy like Abrams would be HUGE. He's not the type of guy you bring in to light a fire under anyone, he's just your starter, but that'd be a big upgrade. But, even if you were alright with making it...Made/Pratt/Pena+Wilken/Adams+ Boeve+Wichrowski/Hardin/Hunt, a fair deal, I don't know that the Nats would do that. They think they can compete soon and are going to be spending money(according to recent reports). Rizzo got hosed IMO, they fired him after he loaded the system and set them up for success, but thy're preparing to spend and try and make their own trades to compete next year. So I don't think he's untouchable...but I think he's 'you've got to overpay,' type available and I think even Made+Adams+Henderson+Boeve is just about fair value.

What's been wrong with how Ashby has been used? He's been used PRIMARILY in close games and in high leverage situations with a couple times coming in like last night, vs a deep and dangerous Dodgers lineup up...I believe 5-0. Alexander was brought in almost exclusively when they were losing bad. I've also...not seen a team that has too many power arms out of the pen. It's how threads organically evolve. It's just talking about baseball... it's not like a 3rd grade math class(though it feels like it at times...guys, I will lock this thread if you don't talk about Priester!)... Kinda...half kidding.

1-I think someone who slights in ahead of Mears would be a big upgrade. Chapman would fit a couple of needs. 2-Catcher? Contreras, Haase, Siegler, and then Quero in AAA? Seems like we'd have to give up a lot for...what probably wouldn't be an upgrade. 3-A big bat is always nice. Suarez fits the lineup, Durbin becomes more of a PHer. Especially with Hoskins out.

I'm really not seeing a ton of difference between he and Priester other than one was basically free and not a Brewer and the other cost us quite a bit and is a Brewer. If he were to be headed back to the Brewers with THIS staff...well, for starters, Quinn Priester is still in Boston and we still have Rodriquez, the pick. and an interesting reliever. THEN... you factor in the White Sox have -18 DRS and the Brewers are +14 and I think it's likely you'd see with a bit better ERA. But...these are pretty similar pitchers. Smith has struggled, giving up 5ER vs LAD and COL on the road, then 5 vs SLT and I believe AZ. Priester has pitched better after struggling earlier. I don't think there's any doubt we made mistake. If nothing else, Smith would have gotten us through now and on a playoff team with great depth in the rotation, he'd likely be on his way down, but he certainly looks like a future maybe #3 on a good team. Another thing that's pretty obvious... if Smith was a Brewers, we'd have pulled him in the 3rd or 4th a couple times as we did Priester.... because we're in a competition. But here is it. Two guys who are a few months apart in age. If Quinn Priester becomes a really good #2/3, I will be happy with the trade. If Shane Smith becomes an ace... well, it'll suck, but... I'm not seeing the need to trash the FO over and over. I mean, we have a SECOND group of 5 pitchers who would be a...passable MLB rotation. Especially when Gasser comes back. Peralta Misi Woodruff Patrick(he's been better than either) Quintana You ALSO have Henderson Priester Cortes in about 3 weeks Tobias Myers Coleman Crow Ashby would probably be starting in a lot of places....DL Hall. Carlos Rodriguez Tyson Hardin And we've got a few other guys who we could and in the past CERTAINLY would be really banking on to be impact pitchers like Wicrowski, Kuehner and and that's just guys who could start right now. So... Smith, bad move. Maybe lets give it a few months, but at the end of the day...this is the worst move the Brewers have made in a WHILE IMO....and they have a dozen pitchers either already up or with early '26 expected debuts that look like really good pitchers. So PROBABLY not the end of the world! Also, this conversation isn't going anywhere! Guess who else isn't? This happens to good teams all the time. I mean, I guess we only have FIVE early picks instead of 6, but I'm pretty confident they'll find a guy from Miss. St with a 5.50 ERA as a reliever and turn him into a fun starter in AA in a year and then a Juco Arm early and he'll be the next deGrom...or Ashby...or Braddock, somewhere in that range! I swear, this is like a millionaire complaining because they didn't honor his 2 dollar off coupon at the Car Wash... sure, they should have, but he's still pretty comfortable! He's not going to miss a meal.

Man, that's... pretty far off. Somehow those years just blended together. It's a little hard for me seeing Fiers being real highly thought of, but he was really effective. Davis had huge power. Though, he was only going to hit .247. Not .246, not .248...247! I guess, it's just hard to see how we pull of a deal for basically Tarik Skubal with that group of prospects, but... I guess we came close. And maybe Yo or Lucroy was headed to another team to make that deal work. Thornburg was a fun kid to watch. We got a nice haul back for him...and it made me look up Pomeranz. That's the type of dude we need to add at the deadline IMO. Also a HOF pitcher in his prime...if possible(aside from the one we just called up).

I wonder if that's Grinke and Felix or...an either or situation. They made their trades before the season...though this is a deadline type deal. But...maybe Gallardo would have been included, Parra at the time still seemed like a really impressive talent who needed a reset. Didn't turn out that way, but...trying to go back and remember the era. Mat Gamel was another guy... by 2011, he was in the bust territory, but...still young enough and talented. You had Taylor Green and Caleb Gindl. I don't know, it's really hard to find much. Lucroy perhaps. Really hard to think about a package of players we had that'd get you a pitcher as good as King Felix was AND as important as he was to that team at that time. That list though...I don't remember Amaury Rivas. I'd have loved to see this pitching development staff work with Peralta. That upper 90s sinker and he had just parts of a slider and secondary pitchers that were never refined. Anyway, hard to see who they'd have given up to get King Felix at that point, but the benefit of hindsight, I would not have cared! Ok, Louis has a better memory than I. I'm still thinking they needed another BIG name in there for a trade of that magnitude. I'd include Gallardo and take out Fiers.

I didn't see them on this link...this link was taking a while to load, but I liked the look of them. They looked pretty good...IMO. @HarryDoyledisagrees apparently?

I'd be all for trading him if we had a middling farm system, but as long as we can keep drafting and developing arms and now up the middle talent, it's not nearly as important to trade every good player who'd decline a QO before FA. Just the last couple years have been huge for this system and then on top of that, you have the college relievers we inexplicably turn into legitimate looking MLB starting pitching prospects.

Those guys both said they weren't offered extensions. That's all I can be sure of. With the exception of Burnes saying the Brewers offered him a 2-year deal to avoid arbitration his final two years when the Brewers actually went to arbitration with him... he was pretty open by saying he and the Brewers had had zero talks of an extension. Not after the 2020 season, not after the Cy Young season. He said it multiple times before he got closer to Free Agency and then I think 2023 said effectively the Brewers couldn't afford to extend him...which by that time it was obvious. That's like saying if Chourio wants an extension that pays him as a DH. He's not a reliever. He's a starter. He's been a starter save for the end of last year when he was moved to the pen at the very end of the year. I guess we'll find out if it's "stupid" or not to try and extend a starting pitcher rather than...not.

Sure, there's always risk. I just trust the Brewers and how they develop pitching...and there are two sides to that I suppose. If you trust them, they'll keep churning out good pitchers. BUT it's also rare you get a guy like Misiorowski's stuff. I think the chances that he's not at LEAST a really good reliever is pretty low.

I'd maybe look into Cabrera, but I'd assume given his stuff and the fact that he's pitching well, it'd cost Pratt+ a couple of lower prospects. I wouldn't do that, but I would love to see him in Milwaukee. He seems like the type of guy we could work with and he's already good because his stuff is so nasty. Ronny Henriquez also looks interesting, but not exactly thrilling.

It's just some fantasy....ranking based on stats. I guess dynasty leagues where you can keep or stash minor leaguers.

I could...maybe process it if it was Jerry Jones or someone with a very public persona, but Nutting? What's he upset with? Skenes dating Dunne? Being really good? As good as Misiorowski has looked, Skenes, deGrom...that's who you HOPE the pitcher with the best stuff in Baseball becomes. He's been there for a year and a few months and just that it's even been talked about...trading him. It's crazy.

Jose Ramirez... yeah, I'd want that. Skenes...not for Misiorowski and honestly, the Pirates are SO loaded with young power arms that they could reasonably contend, so just from a Baseball perspective, the next 2-3 years, you'd THINK you'd really go for it. They won't, either Nutting will just not spend or, something will happen and someone will get hurt, but they could have one of those rotations with 4 potential aces plus the top pitcher in the game. Skenes, Bubba Chandler, Jared Jones, and then a couple more top 5 prospects. I think Ashcraft may still become a starter. If I'm the Pirates, I'd probably want, Made, Pratt, Quero, Logan Henderson, Adams and then still a couple more. This would be more than the Soto deal...IMO. I DO agree with either making a substantial move or standing still mostly. But...not THAT substantial. Take the guys you likely won't bring back, MiLB FAs or guys you don't think you'll protect and use them.

Feels like citing Medical Journals as evidence WOULD be more approved by a debate coach than 'trust be me bro... I think Will Salmons wrote about it a couple years ago. Dr who has dealt with Type 1 Diabetes for 40 years... on the panel talking about the difficulties. I'm guessing he's wrong. Experts Share: The Challenges of Exercise with Type 1 Diabetes + Tips for Making it Easier | Beyond Type 1

Yeah, that's after an unprecedented move and a player of his caliber being waived. And I'm sure at this point he's happier, but he also had said if there was one player he'd like to play with, it'd be Giannis prior to that. Though... if he says he was unhappy, I guess it doesn't really matter at this point. That's true...I had to live in Chicago and Milwaukee at different points. What I didn't have when I lived there was...hundreds of millions for a driver, a nice house in Mequon or wherever and a job where I was driven from door to door. It's not like Portland was a tropical paradise... but Miami is certainly different for a young black man.

I mean...I just think it's kinda nit picking. He's elite, but just not the elite of the elite this year.... in a smaller sample size. Also, it's not like if he becomes worth 7 WAR vs 6 WAR equals one more literal win. The Brewers had ~26 WAR last year, we won 93 games. The highest ever? The famed '27 Yankees. I guess I just look at this as something that will normalize. Some SBs in which they made bad throws? That usually happens with good base runners. I'd like to see all the times he was thrown out, the throws on those. I'd guess he had some good jumps and they were great throws. Also, if memory serves, he's had a couple that were bang bang plays and could have gone either way, but there wasn't enough to overturn them. But, as I said...I understand. They're trying to create content... there's not a whole lot to look at with Turang. I also can't believe it's the result of Berry. Stealing bases can be taught. I don't think it need be re-taught year after year and most of it is instinctual. I'd not be surprised if Turang stole the next 20 bags without getting caught. Baseball works like that. As of now, the only thing I really want to see from Turang...is a contract extension...but I generally want that for every good young player. And now he's on pace to have 10WAR over his last two years, likely not in the cards, but worth making an offer. Even with Made, Pena, Pratt, etc...

There was actually an article after the 2023 season where Jouranal Sentinal Curt Hogg specifically says he IS interested in a contract extension. As for "being naive," and him signing a 2M+ signing bonus or not "some kid looking to pay off his folks' mortgage," I couldn't possibly speak to him paying off the mortgage, Why do YOU suppose he's "not some kid," who would be looking to do that? I certainly would have at 19-20. What is it about him that makes you so confident to make that statement? Not just a guess, but a statement? Now, as it pertains to his signing bonus after taxes(which would have been ~45%) then the 4-5% the average MLB agent takes and he's made 1M dollars. That's really...not a lot of money. So no, I don't think it's "naive" to suggest he may be receptive to an extension that would create generational wealth and still give him plenty of time after that to earn money. Ok. I'm not entirely sure what your point is. I mean, I would "bet" they address the GTD money and years FIRST, then talk about signing bonuses(money up front, always more valuable than money on the backend) and then incentives... but ok. I'm not sure how that changes anything. Right. I don't think I suggested the player has no say in the matter. I think I laid out the pros and cons for both sides and said.... it's time to TALK about an extension for Misiorowski. It seems rather obvious the earlier you approach them, the more likely they are to be open to an extension. I don't know that these deals are "increasingly rare," they seem more dependent on the team... and player... Edit-My ENTIRE point... they should try. Something they didn't do with Burnes or Woodruff...or Hader but they did with Peralta and Ashby. Also, if you want to talk about rare, not many guys got 80M before playing an MLB game. So... the worst he can do is shut you down...and you still have him for 6.5 years. If he says yes... all the better.

Here we go! Now's the time to strike. 3.20 ERA. Is the guy even that good? We'd be doing HIM a favor!

Yeah, Payne has a to of upside. He's not Jay Buhner out there, but he has a frame that could add a lot more power, he's been a solid player thus far, but he hasn't scratched the surface. He COULD easily end up the next Turang, Frelick type, he could end up...an Anthony Gwynn Jr type of player, but the upside is 20HRs and an elite Defensive CF. He's not even 19 and holding his own in A ball. I also found the "impossible" Made is 18 comment to be comical! as well as the "worst talent in 5 or 6 years," in A ball to...be just as silly. I don't know if that was the Carolina League as a whole of the Biloxi team, but... it doesn't matter.

Edit-To be clear, I don't think anyone's under the impression that Garrett Mitchell has type1, not type 2 diabetes. Knowing what he could eat for years does not mean the disease doesn't make you more likely to suffer or take longer to recover from other types of injuries. I also never read this Will Salmon article, but I assure you, I didn't just wing it and guess on this. They've done studies and have found a correlation to slower healing, higher risk for injury, lower bone density, inflation....etc... So again, not just guessing, just going off what medically accepted consensus seems to be. -Tendinopathy is a general term for a tendon disorder characterized by pain, swelling, stiffness, and impaired function, often caused by acute injury or chronic overuse. Seems like that COULD be a problem for a professional athlete, no? Clinical Journal of Sport Medicine Next, recovery time; journals.lww.com. There's a WHOLE lot more information on this, but I'm not just guessing and throwing a dart into the black and coming up with this conclusion on my own. Also, impacts bone density. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov. This doesn't mean he can't have success as a Major League player, but it does certainly SEEM like there is ample evidence that he's MORE likely to struggle with injuries. But, if you DON'T think his injury is at any more risk due to being a T1 Diabetic, then... I'm not sure why you think the Brewers "are NOT paying him 2M to bring him back next year?" It would seem to be even more obvious to bring him back under those circumstances.

Maybe he gets bought out? I think he's lost a lot of value.