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Did he really want to go to Miami or were they just the only competitive team at the time that was interested and had the assets? I don't think he was upset about coming to Milwaukee... but I can't say for sure. I do think being able to pick a team without worrying about a contract, he'll take his time and look at which team he can help out the most among those close to a title. Hell, maybe it ends up being the Spurs? Maybe he signs for the minimum with OKC.... but being a Oakland guy...I'm thinking he'd prefer Cali and Golden State can't play him and Steph. Also, I don't think LeBron is retiring. That man is a freak and he's still a top ~10 player. He's taking a smaller role, but he just played 70 games, ~35 minutes a game, he put up...nearly 25/8/8 and was pretty efficient. He could go downhill quickly... bu we've been saying that fo ra while. I think he'll play 2-3 more years, especially given Rich Paul's statement about LeBron knowing the Lakers are in a precarious position, trying to build now, but also trying to still win champshipS while LeBron is still playing. The Celtics make a lot of sense as well...if he wants to play on the East Coast. By the time he's back, they'll have Tatum back. Tatum, Brown, White and then whoever is left.

This is just searching too hard. Brice Turang... .~.290/.360 he's not a power hitter, but he's hitting for some. And we're nit picking his Base Running...which is in the 81st percentile per Baseball Savant down from the 98th? If he's thrown out like 3 fewer times...is this any issue now? Good base runners force bad throws. Most catchers try and rush it and they don't make the best throws every time. Conversely, sometimes they make great throws. I get it, you're trying to come up with things to write about, but... this is EXACTLY who I hoped Brice Turang would be. I've been saying since AA, I thought he could be a Trea Turner-lite type of player. He's becoming that(better defense, less power). On pace for 6+ War. We're at the bottom of the barrel.

LAL...it'll be a Payton/Karl Malone type finish. Or...maybe more of a Ray Allen type one. They need shooters, but he'll have to adjust to being less ball dominant(should be easier having played with Giannis). More of a catch and shoot guy at his age with a blown Achilles.

I mean, that could happen to any surgery. I don't think that's super rare. It's just the diabetes makes you more susceptible to injury and slower to recover from injury. So even if you were assured he'd never have shoulder problems again, sadly...it's likely to be something else.

No possible way? (I'm glad you explained your very obvious statement). You realize MLB has REALLY ramped up their investigations of these young players and the Brewers have an academy down there and they were in on Made when he was 14, right? Made can definitely stick at SS and if he doesn't, 3B would be more likely...the most likely reason he wouldn't is because Pratt is ahead of him and may be entrenched. Pena can play 2B, 3B or SS. If they couldn't, the Brewers wouldn't just keep them "on the dirt," because of "perceived value." 4-Bitonti has been moved because they had a logjam there. He's got the tools to be an exceptional 1B and he's got massive power. As with many guys with long levers like him, it takes a little time to get more consistent contact, but he hits for a LOT of power right now. 5-Ok. I mean, they took one of the youngest players in the class... but Tommy White? A 3B who can't play 3B...and you're talking about Bitonti, a 3B who was a better 3B than White, but moved due to SO many players ahead of him? White will end up at 1B. We got Burke out of that class. Burke's a better hitter than White already. You just listed a bunch of guys who were ~4 years older than Payne and are performing better this year as a result, but the hyperbole is.... off the charts. I know Payne has the "mechanics of a softball slapper," but he's 6'2, thing, will add weight, draws a lot of walks and has elite speed and is a plus defender in CF. CFers who can get on base and play very good defense are generally pretty valuable... though if you're just looking back 3 months into their first full season, it'll probably be the case that the more advanced College bats are putting up better numbers. I guess we'll have to see 3-4 years from now if you're right or if the numerous scouts are right...and just have to wait for the inevitable Made age controversy to come out as... there's absolutely no chance he's 18(why....who knows, just can't be I guess).

This is old, but it shows Luke Adams down 6 spots and he's ranked 7th? That's a mistake, right? I've never seen him higher than he is right now. A month laster and I wonder what they'd say about Hardin or a couple other guys. Again, just the deepest and most well rounded I've ever seen a Brewers system since I was ordering those Baseball America Prospect books in the "olden" days of ~2000. The #1 ranked farm system with Weeks, Prince...Hardy, Hart, that was heavy on the top end, but didn't have nearly as many guys who COULD come up and be very good players and they didn't have the pitching. We'll graduate Mis and maybe Henderson off the list before next year and add a lot of draft picks, so.... I'd be very surprised if this isn't a top...3 system. 4 guys with a CHANCE to be top 25 in Made, Pena, Pratt and Quero(he'd have to finish strong in the 2nd half).

Of course they'd have been better off if Dame hadn't gotten hurt. I really like Turner... but it also doesn't seem like Doc was going to play the rotation that I think would make the most sense in that scenario. He loves his vets. To that point, they've rescinded the qualifying offer to Ryan Rollins and signed Gary Harris, another player we'd been connected to(and would have been a nice pickup as a option off the bench) in past year. I don't like rescinding that offer to Rollins. He's 22(or just 23) years old and... just feels like the type of player who won't became a star by any means, but could be a really nice rotational player. He could defend, shoot the 3. Basically what Harris has been in the past. I'm guessing Andre Jackson Jr is going to be on his way out at some point. Doc just doesn't play young players... which in his case is frustrating because as ugly as his game may be, he's a guy who gets you extra possessions, he hit corner 3s. He's a pretty nice passer. Can't dribble and has no other offensive game, but I think he's a guy who helps you win game. But, here's to hoping Harris can have a resurgence in the 2nd half of the year.

Well...maybe this allows you to do that more. Perhaps they put Contreras on the DL to get him healthy since he seems like he could use 10 days of just...not jamming that finger. Or you could DH him a couple more times and have a backup catcher still ready to take over. Should have read your post first @jay87shot!!

No...I don't think anyone suggested they would. Not much...which is why I said ~2M. He's making ~800K this year. How strong of an argument do you think you need to make to get 2M? 3.6 WAR his first 3 years seems like a strong enough argument. He could argue that Andrew Vaughn got 3.25 in his first year of arbitration despite a 1.3 WAR. Or Micky Moniak, another OF got 2M in his first year despite a .3 WAR. Or he could use Keston Hiura who got 2.2M to spend the year in AAA or Luke Voit who got roughly the same, both in their first years of arbitration, Rowdy Tellez who got ~2M and had a negative WAR through his first year in arbitration. I'm not particularly interested in getting overly pedantic, I simply said I'd bring him back one more year...and if he stayed healthy for a full year and performed over a full year as he has over partial years, I'd trade him as I don't trust him to do so regularly in his career, but to point a finer point on it, I think it's worth bringing him back given the relatively low-price tag. I hadn't made a hypothetical arbitration case for his arbitration hearing, just going off a rough number for a 1st year player eligible for arbitration who has performed pretty well combined with very poor availability. Just taking a low first year arbitration number and putting a round number to it. Sure...his value is upside and affordability. I think 2M is affordable and in line with his production and it doesn't feel like many people believe the Brewers are pinching pennies quite to that degree just yet that they'd risk non-tendering him in the hopes of getting him for near the vet minimum. So....1.5M, 2M...whatever the exact number is, he'll still have the affordability and upside.

Martinez is not an MLB caliber CFer. I don't even think he's a Corner OFer except in a pinch. He's started 9 career MiLB games in his career. He's a big guy who looks pretty good at 1st, but he's a 1B/DH only. His bat will have to carry him. I hope he hits well enough to get a shot... I don't think he's an upgrade over Bauers...though he is cheaper.

I'm keeping him another year...how much will he get heading into arbitration? 2M? That's worth taking a flier on for another year... but if he manages to have a....Luis Robert type season and stays healthy and puts up a great season in CF with an 800 OPS, I wouldn't hesitate to deal him. There's a difference between...say Brock Wilken and Mitchell. One has had fluke injuries, I think the other will deal with them his whole career.

Yeah, he said a lot of great things about playing with Giannis. He's a top 75 player of all-time who was overly loyal to Portland, went to the best possible fit for him on paper and then played poorly by his standards in Yr1 and in Yr2, he was fine, the Bucks just really needed that reliable 3rd threat and they didn't have it. The short time they had the kinda "big 4" on the court, the Bucks were a dominant team. Dame/Giannis/Middleton was +18.5 and +16 without Lopez. That was based on 600 minutes together, but we all know how that went. They needed a fluke season of good health and couldn't get that. I'm kinda torn as we probably should be trading Giannis, but the East is so wide open, it's really hard to blame the team trying to win and keep a player and person like him in Milwaukee his entire career. However, if he does decide he wants to leave, I can't imagine Turner would have hard to move at ~26M AAV and teams will still lineup for Giannis. I don't think Giannis can do anything that would make me too upset as a Bucks fan at this point. I'd totally understand asking out and I'd love the guy if he stayed in Milwaukee and played until he was 40... 2021 was something I never thought I'd see. Maybe I've got a lower bar than others.

Yeah, I remember that... it seemed like it was mostly Heat fans and they were reading his body language from being picked up at the airport. I didn't see anything from him...and even now it seems like it's just about him being able to sign with whoever he wants, doesn't have to worry about getting paid. I love Giannis, but...I'm confused how he can be upset about THAT. Dame is going to be 37 when he's back on the floor. I thought Turner had signed an extension with the Pacers, but the Bucks had been tied to him for years. Insofar as the Bucks should remain competitive, it's about as good of a signing as I could have hoped for from them. The Bucks are still missing their...Middleton or whoever. I wonder if Portis may be shipped out, hopefully with Kuzma for a scorer(Though who the hell is gonna want that combo for a legit #2). Still...good start to the off-season.

Well...of course, but given he had no GTD money left on his deal, I don't find it that had to believe... maybe it was similar to what Jones got from the Vikings(that's what he ended up signing for). I would guess given the position and the player, it'd be more. I don't think Jones leaves last year if the Packers don't sign Jacobs...so following that logic, I tend to believe they would have made more of an effort to keep Jaire. I thought 10M and incentives would make it worth it to the Packers. I definitely believe he took less to play for Baltimore but I don't know how much less. Either way, it's over so... if his Dad was lying or not, I don't know. I'd probably not want to sign and listen to bad information coming out and it's not like it came from the Packers. It was always pretty vague on their end.

There are plenty of guys who've gotten 6-7 or even a couple guys got 8 years with a RS, Olympic RS and Medical...plus Covid. Based on some of the medical RS's I've seen granted in other sports, unless he was injured late in the year, I'd guess he'd get it. If he got hurt early on, first half, he'd almost definitely get it.

60 grade bat, 6'2 185... probably more power in there and a future CF, maybe 2B. I wonder if you can get him much below slot, but sure. More 60 grade bats, the better. At 68, it's almost gotta be a guy in the ~150 range(or even later) that the Brewers have a firm(ish) price on heading into the draft, no? A Pratt, a Bitonti, a Letson, a couple 3B, an Adamczewski... 2023 was about as nice of a draft as you could have had. Levonas signing in '24 would have made that 2-year run that much more impressive.

There have been a number of time I've wanted the Brewers to take a pitcher in the draft... most often been wrong than right, but they've waited...and this uncanny ability to find these power arms later in the draft and get them to just add something here or tweak their delivery and they're performing better in AA than they were a year or two ago in College! Hardin is a big one, Wichrowski looks great and they have guys right behind them on their way up as well.

👍 I'd listen to any offer for any player... but it'd have to make sense. I still think Black can be a contributor to next years team...

Yeah, I think you nailed it. Suarez is the guy I'd be looking at, but...I don't want to give up a big piece for him and other teams may be willing to. SPing, nope. An upgrade would cost a lot, and I really like our starters. I like this team a ton. Durbin getting hot was huge, but this is kinda what I'd envisioned when the season started. I thought it'd be Myers and Woodruff vs Patrick and Priester, but those two can still come back. Hypothetically, the D-Backs ask for Hardin+Quintana for Suarez. A reasonable ask. I don't want to give Hardin up as I think the Brewers can turn him into a really good, if not TOR type arm and I don't want to trade away an 18-year-old we thought so highly of. If there's a pitcher who's struggling and they think could do better out of the pen, or whatever else, fine, but I like this team and think it's chances are decent in a short series.

It's a new one because nobody said that. He said he wouldn't trade him because his VALUE is low...due to injury to start the season and then limited time. Similar to how other posters said you'd be selling low on ALMOST everyone on that list.

My point being, it's not a foreign position to him. He's got SOME experience over there. And it's different than Braun. Yelich was moved to the OF because his athleticism was wasted at 1B. Braun's bat was wasted at 3B.

I can't believe this is even an issue. I feel like doing the Allen Iverson. 'We're talking about Spring Training? Spring Training? Not the season, not the regular season when everyone's shaken the rust of, but Spring Training? C'mon man! Spring Training!' Yeah, I agree, he'd handle it. I think he'd be a great SS. I think he'd be the same as Ortiz for the most part. I think he was always going to be the SS until the Brewers found a deal with Baltimore and then it just made more sense to keep Turang, 2 years in and the "Platinum glove winner," at 2B.

It's Turang. He'd be an elite defensive SS. You just slide in one or the other at 2B. I wouldn't add Zamora over Siegler in this scenario, but it's nice to have a SS/2B with his defense and at least the ability to walk and get on base ready to get called up. Not as nice as it'll be to have Cooper Pratt, Made, Pena, etc... ready to come up. But this is more about offense and Siegler is crushing it right now at 3 really important positions while Turang/Ortiz are pretty entrenched (though, Ortiz looked to be losing that grasp until recently).

Right... but Yelich, it was just the back and from everything I understand about the back issue, it's... resolved. But sure, it'd been flaring up since he was in the league. One issue he'd dealt with his whole career. A disc pressing on a nerve causing his back to tighten up, they shaved that disc and apparently that's not a big deal, but... setting all that aside, Yelich brought most of his value from his bat. He was a fine fielder, good base runner, but you could play him at 1st and if he was healthy, get good production there...and the thought being, you have Chourio, Yelich, Frelick...as well as Perkins at a time Weimer, another time Black, but a surplus of OFers. If you move Mitchell there, his bat doesn't really play and he's only slightly less likely to injure himself. I'm not sure given a full, healthy season Mitchell is more than a .750 OPS. He's kinda inflated his OPS the last two years after injury by having a hot stretch, but over a full year? All the K's and holes in his swing? I really hope it's just been bad luck as his bat IS good enough for an elite CFer. No doubt about that. But as a 1B? I don't think it's an upgrade on a half dozen other players we could throw out there next year. Oh, and Martinez is a Cody Bellinger type prospect who has just looked good for years and never really put it together, but has really come on this year in AA. I think you're right, Hoskins won't be back. Black could play 1st...I think. Vaughn won't make enough to non-tender IMO, Wilken got pushed back a couple months. But AAA to start next year, he likely wouldn't have gotten the call until June. Luke Adams though, he's gonna be just about ready. Maybe we'll sign someone. I'm also not giving up on the idea of Yelich to 1B. That was the position he was drafted at, it's the easist position, you'll need Contreras to DH more next year(presumably with Quero catching some or Siegler, Haase, whoever, but he should catch less). That may be pointless, but I still think it's worth a try as he enters his mid 30s.

Or the two guys crushing it in AA already? Adams is almost certainly headed for AAA...then Wilken should step their next year meaning both are on the doorstep. Siegler would be preferable to Mitchell.