Detroit wants to deal for bullpen help

[splitterpfj]

If you look at the Tigers, they should have a great offense, and they've got some good starting pitchers, but right now their bullpen is a mess.

 

Jim Leyland is on record saying he'd like to see a deal for bullpen help, which I believe will happen. I don't expect a major move, because Detroit traded half its farm system to the Braves and Marlins.

 

As the Brewers trim pitchers, I could see something minor happening here.

[dadofandrew]

I don't think they have to trim anyone, unless McClung is not the 12th man.

[KCBrewerfan34]

Detroit really emptied their minor league system in the Cabrera trade, too bad they most likely would not deal Porcello, he is supposed to be outstanding!!

 

 

 

GO BREW

[hauser42]

What extra pitching do the Brewers have to send to Det. Cappy is gone, Yo will not be solid till a month in. Parra and Brittle Ben could be down by the first of May. Right now there is not a lot of extra arms IMO. McClung would get a low end prospect maybe, but only deal him if he isn't making the team.

[twobrewers]

I am a little surprised by the comments that we don't have players to deal.

 

McClung isn't needed in my opinion. (As my vote is to start Villanueva in the rotation with Parra and put Vargas in long relief. Although, after today, Parra might have earned himself a bit more seasoning in AAA)

 

We also have Choate, Stetter and Pena who could all be dealt - or used in our own bullpen.

 

I can't really imagine anything Detroit would offer back of value. But we could trade a bullpen arm if we were interested.

[endaround]

Choate is injured, Stetter and Pena are need for next year and McClung won't bring anything.

[JohnBriggs12]

endaround is correct, McClung won't bring anything, but Turnbow would and they've got enough guys in McClung, Mota, Shouse, Torres, Riske and Gagne for the late innings, with Pena and Stetter available and already on the 40 man in case of injury.

 

That would open up the long man spot to put a Bush or a Vargas.

[aracko]

I dont know Briggs - I think Turnbow is awesome. His problem IMO was that he was overworked and thats why he wears down and we all get so frustrated with him. With the upgraded depth in the BP I think that TBOW will be used a bit less which will make him FAR more productive.

 

I consider TBOW to be a major part of our Push into the Playoffs. Rick Porcello would be a great addition however if I am wrong and Turnbow is expendable.

[TooLiveBrew]

I dont know Briggs - I think Turnbow is awesome. His problem IMO was that he was overworked and thats why he wears down and we all get so frustrated with him. With the upgraded depth in the BP I think that TBOW will be used a bit less which will make him FAR more productive.

 

Don't forget that he was used incorrectly, which led to him being worn down. It's just mind-boggling to me how Yost can be so in-tune with some of his pitchers (like using Wise only on non-consecutive days), and at such a loss with how to utilize Derrick properly.

 

I agree with your sentiments for the most part, aracko, but I really worry that we're going to see TBow used as a sort of righty specialist, which would mean coming in with baserunners fairly often. Hopefully the coaching staff can iron out plans - you know how Nedly loves his "_____ guy(s)" in the bullpen... those specific roles.

 

I hate the concept of pigeon-holing guys & labeling them, but it obv. works (& can be necessary) with certain pitchers. It's pretty clear-cut that Gagne is the "closer", and Riske or TBow will be the "8th inning guy." With that, I'd rather see TBow as the 8th inning guy, as long as that means that Yost will turn to Torres/Riske/Mota when he needs a RP in a jam. Frankly, Riske seems perfectly suited to be the guy to pitch high-leverage situations in the mid-/late innings, as he does have a certain amount of talent in terms of stranding baserunners.

[endaround]

I really hope that there are two 8th inning guys, Turnbow and Mota or Turnbow and Tores meaning Turnbow won't be used on zero rest.

 

As for trading Turnbow, he is likely needed for next year as well. The Brewers just can't hope to put together 7 guys around Riske next year from free agents.

[KCBrewerfan34]

From the looks of things Turnbow is slippy down in the pecking order, could something be in the works. The bullpen is fine with or without TBOW.

 

 

GO BREW

[dadofandrew]

Stetter and Pena could both be in the bullpen next year, and Shouse might well be as well. After this year, they will not be too worried about building one in the offseason.

[jjfanec]

I really hope that there are two 8th inning guys, Turnbow and Mota or Turnbow and Tores meaning Turnbow won't be used on zero rest.

 

As for trading Turnbow, he is likely needed for next year as well. The Brewers just can't hope to put together 7 guys around Riske next year from free agents.

It seems to me Riske is in the there as well. It looks like we have 3 guys for the 7 and 8 inning. Mota, Torres and Riske with Turnbow probably behind all three at least with how Yost has used the bullpen so far. Obviously there have only been a handful of games but has Turnbow been put in a close game that we were ahead in? I am all for trading Turnbow and he will have value unlike McClung

 

[TooLiveBrew]

Unfortunately, then we'd be one injury away from wishing we had Turnbow back, not to mention missing him in 2009.

[Tbadder]

Question is: do the Tigers have anyone left to trade that has real value? I'll give up Turnbow, but I want upside and lots of it, for him.

[Bert55]

Very happy with the bullpen the first 5 games. Things can change, I know. But with the maturity of the pen, I think it will be less likely. You bet, there will be those days.

 

As for Turnbow.....Odd that we have not seen much of him. Possibly he is an option to trade and the Brewers are waitng for Gallardo to get healthy and they need a spot.

[endaround]

Turnbow is likely set to pitch today. Torres likely should not be used given his three inning outing, Riske had to throw a lot of pitches yesterday, Mota likely shouldn't be used back to back days if possible. If need be one of those three could pitch, but it would be best if they didn't have to. So that leaves Turnbow

[Bert55]

Or Seth McClung, which sounds like a character in a old western TV series.

 

I think your right about Turnbow pitching today. Miller Park will be packed. It will be interesting how he is greeted.

[twobrewers]

Turnbow got a pretty good round of applause on opening day when they announced the teams.

[uwisfan]

I'd like them to keep as many arms around AAA as possible. I have no confidence in the starting 5 lasting all season. Only Suppan has proven durable to date. If they can get good trade value for any of McClung, Turnbow, or Bush, then go for it. Otherwise, do your best to keep them all. I'm not down on Turnbow like others. Yost is just riding the hotter hands right now til they wear down.

[chadomac]

Although Turnbow is my least favorite Brewer, I don't really see the point of dealing him to the Tigers right now. Didn't they pretty much empty their tank of prospects to get Cabrera? Turnbow can be Elmer Dessens this year and I have no problem with it.

[Gopher74]

Although Turnbow is my least favorite Brewer, I don't really see the point of dealing him to the Tigers right now. Didn't they pretty much empty their tank of prospects to get Cabrera? Turnbow can be Elmer Dessens this year and I have no problem with it.

Turnbow's not going to be used anything like Dessens. One week and he's now our mop up guy. That's quite obviously Seth McClung. Turnbow's still a very important part of this pen no matter how much people irrationally hate him.

 

[JoeHova]

Only Suppan has proven durable to date.

Not exactly true. Bush has 4 straight years of 180 innings pitched, which I think is a good benchmark of durability.

 

[JoeHova]

Turnbow's still a very important part of this pen no matter how much people irrationally hate him.

Hate might be a strong word, but I don't think there is anything irrational about it. When you look on the back of his baseball card, you see:

 

Derrick Turnbow - 2006 NL All-Star

56.3 Innings, 51 Runs, 43 Earned Runs, 39 Walks, 1.7 WHIP, 6.87 ERA

 

That kind of season from a team's all-star representative is enough to scar any fan, no matter how much they know about small sample sizes and the year to year variability of relievers.

[zzzmanwitz]

Derrick Turnbow - 2006 NL All-Star

56.3 Innings, 51 Runs, 43 Earned Runs, 39 Walks, 1.7 WHIP, 6.87 ERA

 

That kind of season from a team's all-star representative is enough to scar any fan, no matter how much they know about small sample sizes and the year to year variability of relievers.

 

All Star in 2006.

Led the team in scoreless appearances in 2007.

 

Its easy to remember all the times he blows up, its a lot harder to remember the times he goes out and does his job.