Rolling with Hiura

[monty57]

A couple weeks ago in a different Hiura thread, I posted this:

"... This season, Hiura's starts have generally come against LHP. His PAs vs RHP have come when a RH reliever comes in later in the game, like yesterday when he hit a monster shot to win the game that he was only in because lefty Fried started. Around 3/4 of the pitchers in baseball are RH, and YTD Hiura has 21 PA vs LHP (with a 0 wRC+) and 26 PA vs RHP (with a 194 wRC+). 

Of course there would be reversion to the mean as the PAs pile up. He's not completely worthless vs LHP as his 0 wRC+ would denote, and he's not 94% above average vs righties, but at this point he is crushing righties, while McCutchen is not, so give Hiura the DH starts vs RHP, while letting McCutchen continue to crush lefties which at this point in his career is his specialty."

Two weeks later, Hiura continues to be used mainly against lefties, and while he has improved his 0 wRC+ to a whopping 18, he has gotten even better against righties, improving to a 244 wRC+!!!

How on earth is a guy who has a 244 wRC+ vs RHP not starting against righties? He is undoubtedly going to cool off somewhat from that, but there is no justification to sit him vs RHP at this point, especially when the main alternative (McCutchen) has had trouble hitting RHP for the past three years, and is sitting on a 60 wRC+ in 118 PAs.

The question shouldn't be whether or not Hiura should worry about being sent down when Renfroe and Adames are healthy, we should be asking how we can make sure Hiura starts every game vs RHP.

Even if he's just the "hot hand," you have to start him vs RHP at least until he cools off.

[sveumrules]

After only starting 15 of the first 43 games, Keston has started five of the last six.

Tides may have already started to turn with regards to his playing time.

Or maybe it's just a blip.

[Brewcrew82]

53 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

We have three plus years of data saying that McCutchen can't hit right handed pitching yet he is locked into the cleanup spot when this team faces righties and that was before Renfroe got injured.

I question whether or not Hiura is the answer but I am pretty certain that McCutchen isn't. Without many possible solutions on the roster and nothing in our system ready to help this season we need to know if Keston can be the primary DH or if not we need to trade for someone who can handle the position.

Why some of you get so upset when someone has a different opinion is beyond me but keep going. We have people that think the Phillies are adequate defensively and better than St Louis and while I think that opinion is laughable they are just as entitled to voice that opinion. 

Would you please just stop with your incessant whining, and quit making up your own facts. This is now multiple times that I've had to rebut this story. Not once in the in-game thread you are referring to did I say that the Phillies were better than St. Louis. I said they were comparable teams on paper and according to most projection sites (though the Cardinals have begun to pull ahead in the last few days) and that, if you considered one to be a good team, then the other should probably be considered a good team as well. All you offered in the way of factual evidence to justify your opinion at that time was "voodoo", which I found to be quite laughable myself. It's also quite humorous how you only ever seem to show up on here during/after a Brewers loss to shout out the same few crazed lines (Cain/McCutchen suck, Brewers aren't good/have played a joke schedule, etc) only to disappear once more when they bounce back with a string of victories. And it's not your difference of opinion that upsets people; rather, it's the manner in which you constantly choose to express that opinion. 

[monty57]

3 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

After only starting 15 of the first 43 games, Keston has started five of the last six.

Tides may have already started to turn with regards to his playing time.

Or maybe it's just a blip.

I hope they have. It could be due to injuries, but Counsell's not a dummy. He has to see that Hiura should be starting against righties. 

We'll see (hopefully soon) when Renfroe and Adames are back.

[sveumrules]

15 minutes ago, monty57 said:

I hope they have. It could be due to injuries, but Counsell's not a dummy. He has to see that Hiura should be starting against righties. 

We'll see (hopefully soon) when Renfroe and Adames are back.

Yeah, hoping they go with a weekly playing time distribution something like this once Willy & Hunter are back...

Ca: Omar (vs RHP) Caratini (vs LHP)
1B: Rowdy (5) Keston (2)
2B: Wong (6) Jacsseau (1)
3B: Urias (5) Jacsseau (2)
SS: Adames (6) Urias (1)
LF: Yelich (5) Cutch (2)
CF: Taylor (5) Cain (2)
RF: Renfroe (6) Taylor (1)
DH: Keston (4) Yeli/Rowdy/Cutch (1)

Really feel like we need to get Tyrone & Keston as many PAs as possible between now & the trade deadline to gauge how seriously upgrades need to be pursued at CF/DH.

 

[brewers888]

34 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Would you please just stop with your incessant whining, and quit making up your own facts. This is now multiple times that I've had to rebut this story. Not once in the in-game thread you are referring to did I say that the Phillies were better than St. Louis. I said they were comparable teams on paper and according to most projection sites (though the Cardinals have begun to pull ahead in the last few days) and that, if you considered one to be a good team, then the other should probably be considered a good team as well. All you offered in the way of factual evidence to justify your opinion at that time was "voodoo", which I found to be quite laughable myself. It's also quite humorous how you only ever seem to show up on here during/after a Brewers loss to shout out the same few crazed lines (Cain/McCutchen suck, Brewers aren't good/have played a joke schedule, etc) only to disappear once more when they bounce back with a string of victories. And it's not your difference of opinion that upsets people; rather, it's the manner in which you constantly choose to express that opinion. 

The constant cyber stalking and fan policing from you is beyond annoying so I suggest you put me on ignore as I will do to you.

[Brewcrew82]

22 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

The constant cyber stalking and fan policing from you is beyond annoying so I suggest you put me on ignore as I will do to you.

“Constant Cyber stalking” and “fan policing”? You’re out of your mind. You’re the one that keeps lying about what I said one time on a single game thread and then repeating that lie on a bunch of other threads. And it’s not just me that has a problem with your posting record, it’s a lot of people, as @Ron Robinsons Beardabove exchange with you attests. 

[Guest]

46 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

“Constant Cyber stalking” and “fan policing”? You’re out of your mind. You’re the one that keeps lying about what I said one time on a single game thread and then repeating that lie on a bunch of other threads. And it’s not just me that has a problem with your posting record, it’s a lot of people, as @Ron Robinsons Beardabove exchange with you attests. 

nobody hijacked the thread until you two had to jump on him for his stance on Cain and McCutchen, something that I would have said if he didn't. There are a LOT of people fed up with those two, it isn't just him. Can we talk about Hiura now because that's what the thread is about and he's my favorite player too!

[Brewcrew82]

40 minutes ago, timpep said:

nobody hijacked the thread until you two had to jump on him for his stance on Cain and McCutchen, something that I would have said if he didn't. There are a LOT of people fed up with those two, it isn't just him. Can we talk about Hiura now because that's what the thread is about and he's my favorite player too!

If you re-read this thread, you’ll notice I didn’t “jump” on him for his stance on Cain and Mccutchen. Rather, I responded to him after he once again repeated a lie about a post I made on a previous game thread. He has now done this several times on multiple different threads, so obviously i felt the need to set the record straight. Unless you think I should just allow him to keep doing so.

[brooks_quichenick]

It's fine to be disappointed/annoyed/fed up with Cain and McCutchen, but it is absolutely not necessary to hijack nearly every thread on the board to repeatedly post about how disappointed/annoyed/fed up with Cain and McCutchen you are.

[MVP2110]

4 hours ago, brooks_quichenick said:

It's fine to be disappointed/annoyed/fed up with Cain and McCutchen, but it is absolutely not necessary to hijack nearly every thread on the board to repeatedly post about how disappointed/annoyed/fed up with Cain and McCutchen you are.

This 100%. There is a thread to discuss McCutchen & a thread to discuss Cain. This is the Hiura thread 

[djoctagone]

On 6/1/2022 at 8:14 AM, djoctagone said:

clubs can carry up to 14 pitchers through 19 june. the brewers are currently carrying 14 pitchers.

hunter renfroe looks to be activated soon, with willy adames likely not far behind.

does the club keep rolling with hiura, or do they option him in order to keep a 14th pitcher?

will be interesting to see the timing of mike brosseau's return with the requirement to pare down to 13 pitchers. as mentioned in another thread, keston hiura will not burn his final option if he stays with the big league club (or major league injured list) for nearly the entire rest of the season.

if they option him again, the requisite stay is 10 days (unless replacing an injured player or serving as the 27th man). if he hits eight more days on optional assignment, he burns his final option.

[djoctagone]

kolten wong is expected to be activated tuesday. unless the brewers decide to pare down to 12 pitchers, a position player will have to be cut.

will the brewers continue to roll with hiura? seems that pablo reyes is the likely guy to be optioned for the return of wong, but that just postpones a tough decision when hunter renfroe is ready to be activated.

[Brewcrew82]

2 hours ago, djoctagone said:

kolten wong is expected to be activated tuesday. unless the brewers decide to pare down to 12 pitchers, a position player will have to be cut.

will the brewers continue to roll with hiura? seems that pablo reyes is the likely guy to be optioned for the return of wong, but that just postpones a tough decision when hunter renfroe is ready to be activated.

Yeah, it's almost certainly going to be Reyes that goes down on Tuesday. But with how everyone's been dropping like flies this year, who knows? It may still be a while before the Brewers have to make a decision on Hiura. 

[Ro Mueller]

The White Sox seem like a logical destination for Hiura:
- Team OPS: 651 vs. RHP / .813 vs. LHP
- 2B Garcia: .465 / .548
- C/DH Grandal: .447 / .838
- 3B Moncada: .506 / .655
- OF Pollack: .543 / .973

Though I suppose this may depend on whether La Russa will allow Andrew Vaughn to go back to playing more outfield instead of DH’ing every day.