Rolling with Hiura

[stalton]

Wasn't Kestdaddy his player's weekend name?

[TURBO]

On 3/31/2022 at 10:21 PM, Julio Muchacho said:

What's wrong with 'Spicy K'. LOL. I was formerly calling him 'Kesty'. I found that wayyyyyy more annoying. LOL.

Don't let anyone bully you into anything man.  If you want to use Spicey K, use Spicey K.

[Lathund]

On 4/1/2022 at 5:14 AM, wallus said:

Motion to ban posters calling Keston Spicy K.

I think the more worthy ban should be for posters repeatedly calling him Huira. 

[BruisedCrew]

This will never happen, but the offense might be better with McCutchen in left and Hiura at DH.

Watching 20-21 Yelich flailing away at the plate again this spring almost makes me want to cry. 
 

If (when?) Cain and Yelich have their usual back/quad/other ailments it won’t be hard finding ABs for Hiura. Until I see something different, I have more hope for him returning to something resembling his 2019 form than I do for Yelich returning to even his first half 2018 form, much less his MVP form. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

15 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

This will never happen, but the offense might be better with McCutchen in left and Hiura at DH.

Watching 20-21 Yelich flailing away at the plate again this spring almost makes me want to cry. 
 

If (when?) Cain and Yelich have their usual back/quad/other ailments it won’t be hard finding ABs for Hiura. Until I see something different, I have more hope for him returning to something resembling his 2019 form than I do for Yelich returning to even his first half 2018 form, much less his MVP form. 

With what they are paying Yelich, they simply cannot afford to not throw him out there and hope he finds something. This franchise has tied their wagon to Yelich, for better or worse.  

[BruisedCrew]

55 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

With what they are paying Yelich, they simply cannot afford to not throw him out there and hope he finds something. This franchise has tied their wagon to Yelich, for better or worse.  

I agree. That’s why it will never happen.

[TURBO]

All we can hope for in regards to Yelich, is that he shows mercy on our organization and retires...

[MVP2110]

People act like Yelich is washed. I get the expectations are high for him but he was still a slight above average bat last year with a WRC+ of 101

[JRob1125]

Yelich fell off bad compared to his MVP days, but I think he's still as good as a decent leadoff or #2 hitter

[TURBO]

I must have been watching a different Yelich than you guys, different dimension I guess?

[tmwiese55]

Someone can dig up the stats.  But I'd guess those numbers are a bit inflated by all the walks and higher OBP early in the season when pitchers still thought he was the old Yelich.   Guessing the last month or so once everyone knew he had no power showed some worse numbers.    Hoping for the best or at least to be a near all star level type but from so far it still doesn't look good

[sveumrules]

Looking at the "peaks" and valleys of Yelich's game logs from last year his production pretty much splits up into four sections...

0401-0527 (70 PA) 246/386/316

0529-0703 (140 PA) 255/429/443

0704-0814 (89 PA) 188/270/250

0815-1002 (172 PA) 275/343/412

 

That last stretch of the season line isn't too far off of his career Miami line of 290/369/432.

[monty57]

Per Baseball-Reference:

Yelich had a 99 OPS+ and -1 Defensive runs saved/yr. Overall, a pretty average player. He lost his power, and sometimes looked lost at the plate, but overall put up average offensive numbers... just not nearly worth his contract extension. I don't know if it's mental, mechanical, or injury-related, but he needs to find his power stroke or that contract is going to haunt the Brewers.

Hiura had a 49 OPS+ (that's not a typo) and actually played decent 1B with 3 defensive runs saved/yr. He was utterly horrendous and fully deserved to be sent to the minors. His minor league stints and productivity this spring give some hope, but he still has a lot to prove, and he really needs to cut back on his K rate. Even this spring he struck out 33.3% of the time. 

Overall, I'm very optimistic about the Brewers chances this year, but I'm not counting on either of these guys to be stars. If either of them "find it," and become the player we thought they were after 2019, then we'll run away with the division and could win 100 games.

[tmwiese55]

37 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Looking at the "peaks" and valleys of Yelich's game logs from last year his production pretty much splits up into four sections...

0401-0527 (70 PA) 246/386/316

0529-0703 (140 PA) 255/429/443

0704-0814 (89 PA) 188/270/250

0815-1002 (172 PA) 275/343/412

 

That last stretch of the season line isn't too far off of his career Miami line of 290/369/432.

Well the big drop off on OBP I was estimating was correcnt at least.   But yea it seems he did at least hit better at the end, which I guess kind of lines up with memory a bit as I'm recalling  a good run there kind of when everyone started doing well for the team. But then he crashed right at the end, along with everyone else. 

[sveumrules]

Yeah, I'd give the odds of Yelich returning to MVP caliber world beater at about 1-2%, the only people that run a 170 wRC+ for more than a couple seasons generally end up in Cooperstown.

The odds of him returning to Marlins Yelich (122 wRC+), which is still a productive player, are much better, if still far from certain.

Personally I'd say its about a 25-33% chance, 1 in 3 or 4. The projections are a little more optimistic pegging him between a 122-127 wRC+ this year as a median outcome.

[jay87shot]

If Yelich could lift the ball more this year I feel like a big improvement isn't crazy (not likely to MVP level). His hard hit rates and exit velo were good if memory serves right. It seemed to me like he was trying pull to many outside pitches last year which often leads to grounder.

Keston will get a chance at some point this year. I would expect him to get some run if Tellez, Cutch, or Yeli get hurt. With his great spring I wouldn't be surprised if a few good games early could even win him 1st base over Rowdy. Being able to play 1st, 2nd, LF, and DH should get him chances.

[djoctagone]

clubs can carry up to 14 pitchers through 19 june. the brewers are currently carrying 14 pitchers.

hunter renfroe looks to be activated soon, with willy adames likely not far behind.

does the club keep rolling with hiura, or do they option him in order to keep a 14th pitcher?

[MVP2110]

Logically it'll either be Hiura or Brosseau sent down. Even though Hiura currently has the highest OPS+ on the team it feels like it'll be him due to his lack of positional versatility 

[sveumrules]

Right now the 13th/14th pitchers are Strzelecki & Barker.

With a few scheduled off days coming up June 6th & 13th I could see the Brewers going back down to 13 pitchers for a spell.

[SRB]

Neither Hiura nor Brosseau really deserves to get sent down, but Brosseau makes more sense to me once both Renfroe/Adames are back. Urias should be the everyday starter at 3B, whereas at best the DH spot should be a Hiura/McCutchen platoon. (If not just Hiura full time.)

[Dragonbait]

Wasn't Hiura considered a DH-future  during the draft?

[brewers888]

Hiura as well as Brosseau have both shown enough to stay on this roster while Cain and McCutchen are just names at this point. The lineup is thin as it is so getting rid of guys producing just to keep washed up veterans makes no sense.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 hour ago, brewers888 said:

Hiura as well as Brosseau have both shown enough to stay on this roster while Cain and McCutchen are just names at this point. The lineup is thin as it is so getting rid of guys producing just to keep washed up veterans makes no sense.

Can you please avoid turning every thread into your newfound obsessive gripe of ripping on Cain and McCutchen? Hiura is slowly earning himself some more time, but he hasn't done enough to earn a regular spot in the everyday lineup. Not yet anyway.

[brewers888]

51 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Can you please avoid turning every thread into your newfound obsessive gripe of ripping on Cain and McCutchen? Hiura is slowing earning himself some more time, but he hasn't done enough to earn a regular spot in the everyday lineup. Not yet anyway.

We have three plus years of data saying that McCutchen can't hit right handed pitching yet he is locked into the cleanup spot when this team faces righties and that was before Renfroe got injured.

I question whether or not Hiura is the answer but I am pretty certain that McCutchen isn't. Without many possible solutions on the roster and nothing in our system ready to help this season we need to know if Keston can be the primary DH or if not we need to trade for someone who can handle the position.

Why some of you get so upset when someone has a different opinion is beyond me but keep going. We have people that think the Phillies are adequate defensively and better than St Louis and while I think that opinion is laughable they are just as entitled to voice that opinion. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

3 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

Why some of you get so upset when someone has a different opinion is beyond me but keep going. 

How in the world could you possibly think this is why I said what I said? Differences of opinion make great conversation. I'm simply getting sick of seeing you hijack every thread to complain about McCutchen and Cain.