Packers 2022 Discussion Thread

[patrickgpe]

20 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

Dare I say that with more picks at their disposal they could take another flier on a QB? (mostly blue)

If they do, who is more triggered, Rodgers or Love? Or the fans?

I doubt Rodgers would be. I think is pretty much guaranteed he retires a Packer. Obviously Love would want out though. 

[SeaBass]

48 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

I doubt Rodgers would be. I think is pretty much guaranteed he retires a Packer. Obviously Love would want out though. 

In all seriousness, I hope Love has thicker skin than that. The year Rodgers was first going to start the Packers drafted 2 QBs. When the time comes for Love to take the reigns, if that ever happens in GB, I expect the Packers to immediately draft Plan B.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Sounds like GB has already talked with MVS' agent about being a little patient until they can offer him a contract following the Adams trade - sounded like they were looking for a 1 year, $7-10 million dollar type contract, but wonder if he'd be good with a little less per season on a multi-year (2-3 years) commitment to stay in GB.  

Then bring in someone like Landry or Ju Ju, and draft another WR early to pair with Lazard and Amari Rodgers, and the WR group doesn't look nearly as thin or expensive as it would have just 1 day ago with Adams still on the roster.

[NBBrewFan]

13 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Sounds like GB has already talked with MVS' agent about being a little patient until they can offer him a contract following the Adams trade - sounded like they were looking for a 1 year, $7-10 million dollar type contract, but wonder if he'd be good with a little less per season on a multi-year (2-3 years) commitment to stay in GB.  

Then bring in someone like Landry or Ju Ju, and draft another WR early to pair with Lazard and Amari Rodgers, and the WR group doesn't look nearly as thin or expensive as it would have just 1 day ago with Adams still on the roster.

I wonder if they want to see what other WR get the June 1 designation and see if there's a better option for getting a DA replacement before going back to MVS and if they want to see how the draft shakes out.  Not sure MVS would wait until after the draft to sign somewhere. I still think the Packers want him back, but I think the other options will determine if they want to go for a 1 year/option type of deal or a multi-year with MVS. They also might be willing to go longer with him with less guaranteed money.

[adambr2]

Why do we want MVS back? He can't stay healthy and even when he is healthy we've been waiting 4 years on the breakout that never happens. 

[PeaveyFury]

20 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Why do we want MVS back? He can't stay healthy and even when he is healthy we've been waiting 4 years on the breakout that never happens. 

Offensive familiarity and the possibility he'd be more willing to do a cap-friendly deal, I assume.

Beyond that, I do tend to agree with you. He's perhaps more intriguing still than some of the vets who are clearly on the decline, but MVS isn't even terribly young anymore.

[Fear The Chorizo]

MVS is 27, so figuratively in the midst of his football prime as a wideout - system familiarity is also a plus, as was his production improvement when he was able to stay on the field last season.  Nagging injuries are the big red flag on him, obviously.

If they can get him on a cap-friendly multi year deal to solidify depth with organizational experience, I'd say it's a good move and it shouldn't prohibit them from taking at least one more swing at a better receiver plus draft that position high this year as well.

[SeaBass]

Pure speculation but if MVS is a Rodgers guy and we just lost Adams then the Packers probably don't have much choice if AR is demanding they bring him back. AR has always had high praise for MVS.

[homer]

16 hours ago, DR28 said:

This is what I saw….

This guy isnt fake….. He's a Giants insider.

his profile photo is an attorney named Michael Wolf from California:

https://www.wrslawyers.com/californiaattorneys

 

Can usually, but not always, spot the fakes by doing a reverse image search on their profile photo.

[Joseph Zarr]

39 minutes ago, homer said:

his profile photo is an attorney named Michael Wolf from California:

https://www.wrslawyers.com/californiaattorneys

 

Can usually, but not always, spot the fakes by doing a reverse image search on their profile photo.

[DuWayne Steurer]

It's fascinating on Twitter, facebook, and even here, reading the reactions after they went from disbelief, to acceptance, and then "screw Adams".  

People justifying it by saying "he's not THAT good" or "he's good because of Rodgers", or some variation on those themes haven't been watching the guy for the last 5-6 years.  The dude's line release, body control, the way he uses his body to get balls, separate from defenders, his ability to catch balls in traffic.... he is THAT good.  

Yeah, it sucks that he doesn't want to play in Green Bay.  It sucks he'd rather play in LV, and that he wanted almost 30 mil per, but the bashing of the guy by downplaying his absolutely incredible talent is (IMO of course!) silly.  He might be in the top 3 receivers to ever put on the Green and Gold.  

[patrickgpe]

i don't think its Screw Adams. I think the majority of packer fans (me included) think his QB had a lot to do with his success and the packers should be able to get a cheaper WR with similar results. 

[patrickgpe]

thats not to say, he isn't the best WR in the league or that the Packers are better off without him, because I feel that he is and they are. 

[DuWayne Steurer]

I think the WR corps will be better overall if they have (someone like) Landry, Golloday, a couple high round picks, etc, etc, meaning, a well rounded group of guys instead of a superstar like Adams and then a bunch of scrubs, but I think there's a lot of people selling Adams short because he's not a Packer anymore.  

But I don't think someone like Landry will come in and put up anything like the kind of numbers Adams did either.  

[KeithStone53151]

3 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

i don't think its Screw Adams. I think the majority of packer fans (me included) think his QB had a lot to do with his success and the packers should be able to get a cheaper WR with similar results. 

Agreed. I think Adams will likely be very good in LV, better than most packer wr have done elsewhere. But Rodgers should be good enough to have success with slightly less good weapons.

[Samurai Bucky]

JuJu is off the table

 

[craigharmann]

41 minutes ago, RoCoBrewfan said:

It's fascinating on Twitter, facebook, and even here, reading the reactions after they went from disbelief, to acceptance, and then "screw Adams".  

People justifying it by saying "he's not THAT good" or "he's good because of Rodgers", or some variation on those themes haven't been watching the guy for the last 5-6 years.  The dude's line release, body control, the way he uses his body to get balls, separate from defenders, his ability to catch balls in traffic.... he is THAT good.  

Yeah, it sucks that he doesn't want to play in Green Bay.  It sucks he'd rather play in LV, and that he wanted almost 30 mil per, but the bashing of the guy by downplaying his absolutely incredible talent is (IMO of course!) silly.  He might be in the top 3 receivers to ever put on the Green and Gold.  

I said it. I’ll stand by it. Is he really good? Absolutely. But having #12 and the unspoken connection between the two definitely helps. Rodgers is a no doubt Hall of Famer. Carr is a decent, no great NFL QB.  Time will tell to see if he continues to be elite, great, or just a guy. All of the WR who have left GB in the past 20+ years have been just a guy in their time outside of GB.

[DuWayne Steurer]

6 minutes ago, craigharmann said:

I said it. I’ll stand by it. Is he really good? Absolutely. But having #12 and the unspoken connection between the two definitely helps. Rodgers is a no doubt Hall of Famer. Carr is a decent, no great NFL QB.  Time will tell to see if he continues to be elite, great, or just a guy. All of the WR who have left GB in the past 20+ years have been just a guy in their time outside of GB.

 

And I'll say again, if someone thinks Adams is "just a guy", they aren't watching what he's doing as an individual, they're just assuming the majority of his stats are provided by Rodgers.

James Jones went to Oakland for a season and had his career high in receptions.  

Jordy Nelson left the Packers and had 10 more catches and 250 more yards than he had the previous season.

Cobb went for 55/828 his year in Dallas, then played through injuries (gasp!) in Houston before coming back

Greg Jennings.....  Jennings got hurt.  Missed most of his age 29 season in Green Bay, and then had 2 decent, not great years in Minnesota, clearly decline seasons, and one more year in Miami where he didn't do much at all, and then was out of the league.

If the argument is "Adams is about to turn 30 and the Packers shouldn't commit that much money to a guy in his 30 -34 age seasons", I absolutely agree.  But these guys haven't left Green Bay and absolutely tanked.  They've been productive elsewhere, with decent and mediocre QB's.  Usually in what would be considered decline-age seasons for WR's.  I've never really bought that Rodgers makes receivers better. 

The Raiders will throw the ball 600 times next year.  Are we going off the assumption that a healthy Adams won't get 140 - 180 targets?  Carr is definitely not Aaron ROdgers, but he does have a 65% completion rate for his career, and usually throws for 4000+  

[patrickgpe]

its not what Adams will do in LV. Its if they bring in a 10-15MM WR, what numbers will he put up with Rodgers throwing him the ball for 1/3 - 1/2 of the $ Adams got. 

[PeaveyFury]

It's hard to ignore the fact that the Packers RARELY choose to move on from somebody and watch them excel elsewhere. I really don't care about the 'feelings' of Adams or us as fans, but I think the safe and likely correct bet is that Adams will have a couple of really nice seasons in LV, taper in year 3, and be either cut or an albatross thereafter. 

The Packers were seemingly willing to sacrifice the backend part of that deal for the high performance on the front end, but now instead get to reap the rewards of a 1st & 2nd along with cap room to actually help fill holes without worrying about the backend part of the deal at all.

[adambr2]

Adams is amazing at what he does. We wanted to keep him, he wanted to go play for the Raiders and in my opinion he's earned that right to play where he wants to be. 

We got some compensation both in the areas of cap relief and draft picks, and we'll have to use that compensation to improve as much as we can both at WR and elsewhere to make the best of the situation and still be Super Bowl contenders. 

That's my take. 

[Joseph Zarr]

I personally never understand the disdain fans feel when a great player like Davante Adams, who played incredibly well and at a high level for nearly his entire career (rookie season and Year 2 aside) as a Packer and was absolutely the consummate professional throughout his time, makes a personal choice. Regardless of his greatness, he is a human being having his own experience. He grew up in the Bay area and loved the Raiders. He played college ball with Derek Carr. Have at it and see what you can do in your new situation! It's a Win/Win. In this situation, any ill-will or shadow-casting seems quite childish and petulant. I wish him nothing but the best. 

From the Packers side of things, knowing the history of Age 30 + WR's I personally think they dodged a major bullet. And, I am really looking forward to what comes from the new flexibility and wide-open WR room.

[sveumrules]

Yeah, I’m not quite old enough to have seen Lofton, so for me Sterling, Davante & Jordy are pretty much 1ABC as far as Packer receivers in my lifetime.

I’d probably give the edge to Sterling of the three just because he did it in a much less passing dominant era, but it’s kinda crazy how close their numbers are…

SS | 595 R | 8134 Y | 13.7 Y/R | 65 TD

DA | 669 R | 8121 Y | 12.1 Y/R | 73 TD

JN | 550 R | 7848 Y | 14.3 Y/R | 69 TD

Free & DD are my WR4 & WR5 with Janis as WR6/Special Teams Ace/Hail Mary Catcher & no apologies to Jennings for being left off the squad.

[Joseph Zarr]

2 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Yeah, I’m not quite old enough to have seen Lofton, so for me Sterling, Davante & Jordy are pretty much 1ABC as far as Packer receivers in my lifetime.

I’d probably give the edge to Sterling of the three just because he did it in a much less passing dominant era, but it’s kinda crazy how close their numbers are…

SS | 595 R | 8134 Y | 13.7 Y/R | 65 TD

DA | 669 R | 8121 Y | 12.1 Y/R | 73 TD

JN | 550 R | 7848 Y | 14.3 Y/R | 69 TD

Free & DD are my WR4 & WR5 with Janis as WR6/Special Teams Ace/Hail Mary Catcher & no apologies to Jennings for being left off the squad.

Amen, brother. Amen. Lofton was indeed special but I was also too young to truly appreciate his greatness. I just love great athletes, period. I really love great athletes who also act professionally and, in the very least, give off that persona. This isn't a downvote on any other type of athlete whatsoever, I just find the no drama performance Kings utterly amazing. 

Jordy Nelson goes back home to Kansas and works the Family Farm with his brother?. How fantastic and utterly 'The Jordy we thought we knew' is that? Too good. 

Thanks for sharing.

[Matt Breen]

Lofton was amazing. He was so smooth. He had these long strides that sort of hid how amazingly fast he was. Absolutely amazing player.