Packers 2022 Discussion Thread

[UpandIn]

8 hours ago, PeaveyFury said:

Super excited for how great Enagbare looked again last night. I thought he was a steal that late in the draft and it appears he has legit skills to be in the edge rotation quickly.

I was hoping they'd get him in the 3rd. Then they passed on him...and when he was there in the 4th? No brainer! Gotta get an Edge and he had the highest W/L rate(excluding stunts and slanting) of any FBS edge. And they pass TWICE? Then trade down in the 5th? That was brilliant. He's a 2nd round talent who ran a slow 40. He's long, he's got great hands. He's actually pretty similar in profile to Za'Darius Smith. 

12 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Caleb Jones looks like he's dropped at least 30 lbs from last year at Indiana.  Looks to be in much better shape, and that appears to be translating to on-field performance.  On a related note, has Rasheed Walker been seen anywhere?  Saw him on the sidelines with a do-rag and no helmet; don't know if he's hurt, but he hasn't been on any injury report.  At this point, it would seem that they are higher on Jones than Walker.

Walker's on the Non-Football injury list, but I can't imagine even if he came back right now, he'd have any shot at beating out Caleb Jones for that Tackle Spot. He's looked not just massive, but he's also looked light on his feet(relatively speaking). 

Yosh looked different last night in a good way, Caleb Jones looks like he could be a starter in the future. Preferably RT, but I think he's got a chance to make the 53. 

Jenkins, Myers, Tom, Rhyan, Newman, Runyan Jr, Nijman, I guess Hanson(smarter people than I are seeing something there that I'm not, so I'll defer to them) and then I think it's Jones vs Van Lannen? I'll take Jones.

 

Use this as a "redshirt" year for Walker. He's too big and talented to just cut bait with. The fact that he seemingly has no discernable injury, but is on the NFI list...I wonder if there's some illness or something? Doesn't matter, if it doesn't take up a roster spot or a 53 man spot, no reason not to I guess. 

[PeaveyFury]

13 hours ago, UpandIn said:

I was hoping they'd get him in the 3rd. Then they passed on him...and when he was there in the 4th? No brainer! Gotta get an Edge and he had the highest W/L rate(excluding stunts and slanting) of any FBS edge. And they pass TWICE? Then trade down in the 5th? That was brilliant. He's a 2nd round talent who ran a slow 40. He's long, he's got great hands. He's actually pretty similar in profile to Za'Darius Smith. 

 

Yes, he was immense value there. Watching him whip a 1st-round OT that was supposedly a plug-and-play type rookie was pretty entertaining.

[homer]

 

 

 

[Fear The Chorizo]

22 hours ago, homer said:

 

 

 

It would be fantastic to see Bakh get even a week of drills/practice in without having to take more days off - fingers crossed.

[Joseph Zarr]

Uglem was one of (if not 'the') biggest proponents of the Enagbare selection when it was made...

 

[NBBrewFan]

39 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Uglem was one of (if not 'the') biggest proponents of the Enagbare selection when it was made...

 

While very encouraging and matches the eye test, I always cringe when seeing absolute numbers without an idea as to snaps that each has had.  Does PFF have that or are preseason stats limited?

[Joseph Zarr]

18 minutes ago, NBBrewFan said:

While very encouraging and matches the eye test, I always cringe when seeing absolute numbers without an idea as to snaps that each has had.  Does PFF have that or are preseason stats limited?

I know for Enagbare it's extremely limited snaps. I want to say 59? Check that: 'Fewer than 50'. 

 

[LouisEly]

With Bakh and Jenkins coming off of the PUP list, spots on the OL were getting squeezed so it appears that the Packers have traded Van Lanen to Jacksonville.  Sucks for the local kid to be sent out, but good for him in that it will be a lot easier for him to make Jacksonville's roster and have a NFL career there.

OL spots appear to be locked in - Bakh, Runyan, Myers, Newman, Jenkins as your starters with Nijman, Hanson, Tom, Rhyan the reserves.  Will likely try to sneak Jones through to the PS along with Walker if he doesn't go IR.

[Joseph Zarr]

Vernon Scott waived injured is mildly surprising considering he was getting looks with the 1's. Rasul lined up opposite Amos today in 11 v 11 - which is interesting. 

[Joseph Zarr]

1 hour ago, LouisEly said:

With Bakh and Jenkins coming off of the PUP list, spots on the OL were getting squeezed so it appears that the Packers have traded Van Lanen to Jacksonville.  Sucks for the local kid to be sent out, but good for him in that it will be a lot easier for him to make Jacksonville's roster and have a NFL career there.

OL spots appear to be locked in - Bakh, Runyan, Myers, Newman, Jenkins as your starters with Nijman, Hanson, Tom, Rhyan the reserves.  Will likely try to sneak Jones through to the PS along with Walker if he doesn't go IR.

It looks as though Walker practiced today and has a chance to play versus the Chiefs. FWIW.

[UpandIn]

10 hours ago, LouisEly said:

With Bakh and Jenkins coming off of the PUP list, spots on the OL were getting squeezed so it appears that the Packers have traded Van Lanen to Jacksonville.  Sucks for the local kid to be sent out, but good for him in that it will be a lot easier for him to make Jacksonville's roster and have a NFL career there.

OL spots appear to be locked in - Bakh, Runyan, Myers, Newman, Jenkins as your starters with Nijman, Hanson, Tom, Rhyan the reserves.  Will likely try to sneak Jones through to the PS along with Walker if he doesn't go IR.

I think you may be underestimating Jones chances of making the 53 man. Men his size who move as he does...I don't think you roll the dice. 

Hanson does seem like he'll make the roster. Coaches are seeing something I'm not(obviously). 

That they got a pick for CVL tells me there's virtually no shot he's going to make it through waivers. Teams have seen too much of him. 

Walker, I'd guess he goes on IR. We haven't seen anything from him, but at his size, his athletic ability and seemingly zero chance he'll make the 53 man, they could put him on waivers. OT's are so valuable, maybe someone would claim him. Been a bit strange not hearing anything about what Non-Football injury he suffered. 

 

Is this why he slipped to the 7th? The knee issues that concerned teams?

https://walterfootball.com/ws2022rwalker.php

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Over James Franklin's run at Penn State, the Nittany Lions have produced a lot of players with impressive skill sets for the NFL. Rasheed Walker looked poised to continue that tradition thanks to possessing a very nice tool box for the pro level, including good size, quickness and athleticism. Walker was a starter for a few years and received some good preparation for the NFL. The consensus view had him as a second-day pick for the 2022 NFL Draft, but Walker slid to the seventh round of the 2022 NFL Draft.

In speaking to team sources, there were a variety of reasons that Walker slid. The biggest and most important was he had medical concerns. Teams were worried about his right knee and a meniscus issue. Walker also hurt himself by being overweight and showing a bad body at his pro day. Some also were concerned with Walker having a low football IQ and struggling with attention to detail in the playbook, and some team sources said there were character concerns as well.

But I wouldn't risk Caleb Jones. Not with Jenkins due to be a FA next year(even if it's a near given he's extended). But Bahk, he's no lock to stay healthy. Nijman has looked good, but even last year, he was good FOR a 3rd string LT, but still below average.

Beautiful problem to have. Too many OL and DL worthy of a 53 man spot. DL may be an even more difficult call. Slayton...he may be playing his way onto someone's 53 man. Ford and Heflin less likely, but they still both look good. Truthfully, Slayton should be in the rotation to start the season, but obviously Wyatt is a lock. He has to play better. 

 

 

[UpandIn]

9 hours ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Vernon Scott waived injured is mildly surprising considering he was getting looks with the 1's. Rasul lined up opposite Amos today in 11 v 11 - which is interesting. 

Agreed. I did think Douglas would be a candidate to play some safety...but I didn't think it'd be an issue until later on. Not this year. He's long, physical, a ball hawk, plays better reading the QBs eyes, struggles in press man with his back turned.

Still probably just a contingency vs Savage getting injured, but if they do see Douglas as a potential safety, get King back in now. Nixon looks like he can play. He'd be the #3 CB in that scenario. Then there's a sizeable drop off with Jean-Charles looking the best, after that, it's Thomas I guess with Ento, Gafford, both converted WRers who have some talent, but...you don't want them taking big snaps now.

King for 350K SB and the Vet minimum of ~1.2 would only add 350K to the cap. I get people don't love him, but as a #4 CB, he's well worth it. 

 

9 hours ago, Joseph Zarr said:

It looks as though Walker practiced today and has a chance to play versus the Chiefs. FWIW.

Well that just seems strange. This is probably a PS tryout at this point. See if he's in shape, moving alright. 

It'll be real interesting to see who gets what snaps on the OL this last game. Do they play Caleb Jones a lot to see if he's worth a 53 man spot...or to see if they can get a pick for him. I'd guess they'd play those they expect to play opening day less. A few series. So how much Tom plays at RT could inform how close they think Jenkins is, Yosh at LT. Hanson or Newman at RG...one of the few positions that still seems up in the air.

 

I'd also love to see Caleb Jones playing RT. If...for some inexplicable reason Nijman IS actually struggling to play RT...which is strange to me as he's played it in College, he spent the first few years rotating back and forth and he's an incredible athlete, but if that's the case, it'd be nice to have that mountain of a man capable of being a swing tackle or...just a backup RT while Yosh/Tom/Jenkins provide depth at LT. 

[Joseph Zarr]

Man, this is the stuff. I could watch this ALL day:

 

[homer]

Apparently the Dolphins are putting Mike Gesicki on the trading block. Any interest?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

8 minutes ago, homer said:

Apparently the Dolphins are putting Mike Gesicki on the trading block. Any interest?

Only if Tonyan has a setback. Otherwise Tonyan and Gesicki's skillsets are 100% redundant. 

[LouisEly]

Caleb Jones went undrafted for a reason.  Two preseason games against 3rd string guys who are unlikely to make the roster is unlikely to change teams' perceptions of him.  We also aren't seeing what is happening in practice against legit NFL starters.

That being said, with questions still lingering on Bakh and Jenkins it's possible they keep him as insurance.  But two preseason games is only a fraction of the picture with these guys.

[UpandIn]

10 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Caleb Jones went undrafted for a reason.  Two preseason games against 3rd string guys who are unlikely to make the roster is unlikely to change teams' perceptions of him.  We also aren't seeing what is happening in practice against legit NFL starters.

That being said, with questions still lingering on Bakh and Jenkins it's possible they keep him as insurance.  But two preseason games is only a fraction of the picture with these guys.

Yes, and that reason was because he wasn't in great shape and there were questions about his ability to move his feet.

He's in better shape than was ever in-in College...and I actually have been at several practices. He's been impressive. 

 

And...for what it's worth, it seems like others are starting to believe Jones makes the 53 man as well. 

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/green-bay-packers-roster-projection-4-0#gid=ci02a98fa7e00025f2&pid=running-backs-2

[LouisEly]

With adding a draft pick next year for CVL, I'm wondering if the Packers try to acquire a veteran safety in exchange for a 5th-7th round pick in next year's draft.

[UpandIn]

11 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Only if Tonyan has a setback. Otherwise Tonyan and Gesicki's skillsets are 100% redundant. 

Yeah...he's pretty similar, but he's a whole lot better. And we do come out in a lot of 12 personnel. 

 

I'd be thrilled to get a 6'6 250 pound TE...who's really more of a slot WRer(though his blocking, like Tonyan's has improved). But for all the money the Packers can and have(and will continue) to kick down the road...it's not unlimited. Jenkins is up, he's going to get ~15M per year(that may be conservative). Gary is getting close. He's likely to get ~25 per. And then Amos is a FA. We might have a lot of cap room available this year, but...as I'm sure most people on here know, that's wildly mis-leading. 

So 11M for a TE who's right on the verge of being elite, plus I'd imagine a 3rd round pick(and very possibly a 2nd from the Packers), doesn't seem wise. As Andrew Brandt said, 'the salary cap doesn't prevent you from signing anyone, poor personnel decisions do.'

 

[UpandIn]

7 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

With adding a draft pick next year for CVL, I'm wondering if the Packers try to acquire a veteran safety in exchange for a 5th-7th round pick in next year's draft.

Yeah, I really love the Rich Bisaccia hire, but if we're going to give Leavitt a 53 man spot...even if he starts on IR and then Tariq Carpenter, we really only have 3 safeties. We'd be playing Douglas at Safety with Amos. I'd guess Thomas can play there. Abernathy is an impressive athlete. Maybe there's something there. Same with Gaines.

Suddenly cutting Scott when he'd been getting snaps with the #1s...they clearly aren't real confident in anyone behind the obvious 2. 

It's clear they've got confidence in their depth on the DL. That's looked...incredible. I'd suggest possibly trading Lowry in favor of keeping Slayton, but Lowry played so well the last 10-12 games, not sure they'd risk it. Though keeping 6 as Wyatt doesn't look quite ready, that's possible. 
Edge looks a lot better now than it did a few weeks ago. 
McDuffie looks like a completely different player at LBer. He and Barnes provide depth there. 

But that secondary, it does look pretty thin.

 

With Hamilton falling to the Ravens and Baltimore having a thing DL, maybe they could trade from depth. Lowry for Chuck Clark? He doesn't have the speed to be a FS like Savage, he's more like Amos, but reliable, smart. Player for player trades, as unlikely as they are, could work in this case. They lost Derek Wolfe to retirement, Campbell is getting older.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

10 hours ago, UpandIn said:

Yeah...he's pretty similar, but he's a whole lot better. And we do come out in a lot of 12 personnel. 

 

I know it's a totally subjective argument, but IMO, if Gesicki is better than a healthy Tonyan at all, it's marginally. He's a good, solid starting NFL TE, but he's not even close to that Kelce/Andrews level. And when they come out in "12" personnel, it's to get Lewis on the field as basically a high-end blocker in the run game. A double TE formation of Tonyan/Gesicki looks nice on paper, but as you mentioned, it wouldn't be worth the $11 million hit to this year's cap, plus the 3rd or 2nd round 2023 pick to make it happen. That upgrade just isn't all that much better than Tonyan/Lewis or even Tonyan/Deguara to do a deal like that. 

[CheezWizHed]

On 8/23/2022 at 12:13 PM, LouisEly said:

With Bakh and Jenkins coming off of the PUP list, spots on the OL were getting squeezed so it appears that the Packers have traded Van Lanen to Jacksonville.  Sucks for the local kid to be sent out, but good for him in that it will be a lot easier for him to make Jacksonville's roster and have a NFL career there.

OL spots appear to be locked in - Bakh, Runyan, Myers, Newman, Jenkins as your starters with Nijman, Hanson, Tom, Rhyan the reserves.  Will likely try to sneak Jones through to the PS along with Walker if he doesn't go IR.

If Bakh and Jenkins were a little further along, it wouldn't surprise me to see Nijman traded and have Tom, Newman, and Jones be the backup Ts.  But that would take a lot of guts right now

[CheezWizHed]

Doing a bit of a catch-up (just back from vacation and watched last weeks game last night), I don't get what the Love polarization is about.  Obviously, he was a very controversial pick (which IMO paid dividends simply by lighting a fire under Rodgers) and is heavily under the microscope.  But why can't people judge his play (both good and bad) without everyone else blowing up? 

Here is what I saw:

• Love looked great out of the gates, but cooled off 
• He threw some excellent intermediate and deep balls with beautiful touch
• His short passing game is improved from last week, but he seems to struggle here.  Like the pitcher that throws 100MPH heaters, but can't throw a fielded ball to 1st base. 
  • On Doubs' drop on the short crossing pattern (yes, it was Doubs' drop), his hands were up by his head, but Love zings the ball down by his thighs so Doubs has to move his hands down quickly to catch it, but doesn't. Love puts that ball up a foot or two and I bet Doubs catches it easily.
  • Several balls thrown at the receivers' feet.  Hard to tell which might have been intentional as we can't exactly see who might be ready to pick that ball, but still too many thrown there for it to be 100% purposeful.
  • He was better on the out patterns to the RBs.  I think every ball was thrown on the correct side of the RB, unlike the first week.
• Overall, he looks much improved over the first week. I wish teams were playing more #1 players in preseason these days.  It is concerning that he isn't putting up more points against other teams #2 and #3s, but then again, he is playing with our #2 and #3s...

I'm glad we have more time to figure out if he should be our starter. He reminds me a lot of Daunte Culpepper - some physical resemblance (minus 50 lbs), the way he throws the ball, and even strengths/weaknesses.  Not sure that is a complement or not...

As he is a Packer, of course I don't want him to fail.  But that doesn't mean I can't do a balance assessment of his performance. 

[UpandIn]

8 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I know it's a totally subjective argument, but IMO, if Gesicki is better than a healthy Tonyan at all, it's marginally. He's a good, solid starting NFL TE, but he's not even close to that Kelce/Andrews level. And when they come out in "12" personnel, it's to get Lewis on the field as basically a high-end blocker in the run game. A double TE formation of Tonyan/Gesicki looks nice on paper, but as you mentioned, it wouldn't be worth the $11 million hit to this year's cap, plus the 3rd or 2nd round 2023 pick to make it happen. That upgrade just isn't all that much better than Tonyan/Lewis or even Tonyan/Deguara to do a deal like that. 

I mean...we agree it'd be too expensive as it'd cost a pick, I don't even think we could extend him at this point and then next year he'd cost a lot as a FA. BUT...I think you're either underestimating Gesicki or overestimating Tonyan. I love Tonyan, always has. He's never really put it all together. He had a year where he had a lot of TDs, but he's a couple years older than Gesicki and in that one year, he had 580 yards.

Even last year, the first 8 games he did play, 200 yards and 2 TDs in his breakout year. 

Gesicki's been playing on a bad offense with almost no stability and he's been very productive. I do think he's closer to the Andrews/Kelce level than Tonyan. 

We'll see what Tonyan can do this year, but he regressed quite a bit last year in pretty much all facets and then tore his ACL. I hope he can bounce back and become the guy it has looked like he could, but it's always been glimpses and then injuries.

[UpandIn]

3 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

If Bakh and Jenkins were a little further along, it wouldn't surprise me to see Nijman traded and have Tom, Newman, and Jones be the backup Ts.  But that would take a lot of guts right now

Well...that'd certainly be surprising.

It'd tell you they were pretty confident in Tom, Jones and Newman or some combination of players playing OT.

Squeeze Dallas. They lose a franchise LT for the year...or most of it. Try and get a 3rd back. He'll be a FA next year. He's got the body and that incredible athleticism that seemingly every Packers player has now, even if he's still not totally put it together.