Packers 2022 Discussion Thread

[Fear The Chorizo]

12 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

We have one of the best guards in the game. Who is also one of the worst tackles in the game. And we are playing him at...tackle. 

Yeah, at this point I think Jenkins needs to get back at LG to try and solidify some part of the line, then start shuffling personnel on the right side until something works better than being awful.

In general, the line is doing a terrible job at picking up stunts in pass protection- and that's not just on the line interior...I saw multiple plays where both Jenkins and Bakh blocked their guy down towards the middle but then didn't disengage and bounce out to pick up a stunt going back out around them.  That may be rust/poor technique but I also wonder if they don't have the lateral strength back in their knees yet to to make that type of movement very well.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

39 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

We have one of the best guards in the game. Who is also one of the worst tackles in the game. And we are playing him at...tackle. 

Judging by the line they keep throwing out there, Yosh must not be comfortable playing RT. Because in theory, a line of Yosh, Runyan, Myers, Jenkins and Bahk is probably getting your best 5 on the field. Perhaps they aren't going this route because they feel that they need Yosh ready to step in at LT, and don't want to flip guys all over the place, but Bahk was pretty much out there every play yesterday after practicing all week as well, so I assume that the training wheels are off now. 

[CheezWizHed]

1 hour ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Yeah, at this point I think Jenkins needs to get back at LG to try and solidify some part of the line, then start shuffling personnel on the right side until something works better than being awful.

In general, the line is doing a terrible job at picking up stunts in pass protection- and that's not just on the line interior...I saw multiple plays where both Jenkins and Bakh blocked their guy down towards the middle but then didn't disengage and bounce out to pick up a stunt going back out around them.  That may be rust/poor technique but I also wonder if they don't have the lateral strength back in their knees yet to to make that type of movement very well.

It wasn't their lateral movement because quite often...they weren't even looking.  Newman is obviously the worst at this.  He was horrible last year and I hoped a year of development would help... no.  But it was so easy to run the same stun over and over again... I saw every single one of our OL miss it at some point.  I think one or two times, someone (Myers at least once) looked like they were passing off the rusher to another OL, but no one was there... 

I think that might scare me more... they obviously aren't communicating and/or helping each other.  That may have been the most brutal game I've seen from a GB OL as a whole.  Normally, it is one or two people getting whooped.  No one was prepared for that game. 

Maybe we should've had a bye week after London.

[yourout]

You can overcome a lot of individual things in an NFL football game and win but when your offensive line has a day like they had yesterday in both the run game and pass game it's pretty much a guaranteed loss.

[homer]

Honestly they just need to make a change. Something. Put Tom in there and get rid of Newman for a start.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

19 minutes ago, homer said:

Honestly they just need to make a change. Something. Put Tom in there and get rid of Newman for a start.

I'm beginning to think they aren't real huge fans of Tom at the current moment. He seems pretty sound fundamentally, but did get pushed around quite a bit at times in the preseason. They could very well have him on the "add bulk and strength" regimine. 

[Joseph Zarr]

At this point, you just have to laugh at the Packers. It’s all we can do as innocent bystanders.

I’ve mentioned it a couple times but this O-Line nonsense (and it is nonsense) started when the Packers staff opted to play Dennis Kelly and Billy Turner off of injury over an O-Line rotation that was in tune and playing in concert for weeks the week of a Playoff game. It was extremely costly and senseless then. It will never make sense.

Fast forward to this past Sunday. Anyone who has watched the Packers over the past couple years knows Royce Newman is and has been the weakest link on the O-Line. He might be the worst starting O-Lineman in the NFL - and, if he isn’t he is certainly in that tier. While the Packers insist on playing Elgton Jenkins at RT (there could be things going on here w Jenkins’ camp concerning contracts and position demand?), there are clear better options on the bench. This is also blatantly obvious, apparently, to anyone but the Packers staff? 
 

When pressed about subbing out Newman for Jake Hansen (who we all know is most likely THE worst O-Lineman on the Packers), Matt LaFleur literally said he was trying to give the team a spark. Let that sink in. This after a half of football where we watched Aaron Jones get three direct touches?
 

Things look bleak at 1265. Very bleak. These moves quite simply smell of leadership incompetence. Couple that with what we’re seeing in Chicago with Getsy’s offense (clearly mismatching an offensive philosophy to their QB talent) and in Denver with Hackett at the helm, it’s fair to ask: were we simply sipping the Kool-Aid? Is the inevitable decline of A-Rod and the hiatus of Davante Adams exposing certain glaring things we simply tolerated when the Packers smelled of roses and tanked in the post-season as opposed to early in the season? I think this is a very fair question.

[Joseph Zarr]

15 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I'm beginning to think they aren't real huge fans of Tom at the current moment. He seems pretty sound fundamentally, but did get pushed around quite a bit at times in the preseason. They could very well have him on the "add bulk and strength" regimine. 

Tom isn’t a Guard. He is much too small. However, he has elite footwork and can more than manage a functional OT role. IMHO, The best options are quite simply:

ALL PRO OG Elgton  Jenkins and Jon Runyan in some type of Guard combination.

Tom or Yosh at RT

This isn’t rocket science. This is the obvious choice. It’s amazing the Packers don’t see this. Truly amazing.

[CheezWizHed]

Another positive observation from Sunday was Engebare's contribution.  He wasn't out there much but he had impact when he was.  Not only the sack, but looks like decent run support too.  Or at least relatively to everyone else.... ?

[homer]

If Zach Tom knows which direction to go he'll be an improvement:

 

[nate82]

7 minutes ago, homer said:

If Zach Tom knows which direction to go he'll be an improvement:

 

LOL he looked so confused on what he was supposed to do.  

[SeaBass]

After the game Sunday I left the channel on, not something I usually do because network talking heads hurt my brain with most of their barely educated opinions, I was struck with a thought. Sean Payton, occupying a network desk masquerading as an aforementioned talking head, is basically a free agent right now. It wasn't a happy thought because I'm not sure there is a bad enough record that would convince Mark Murphy to make that type of move in the next 6 or so months. Not like I'm thirsting to replace LaFleur but man getting a coach like Peyton would probably be akin to when they signed Reggie White.

Also, Robbie Anderson was traded to the Cardinals for peanuts today. The Packers were likely not interested because why would they be.

[CheezWizHed]

Big No on Sean Payton.  If MLF continues to fail to make adjustments and improvements, we can find a good coach without selling our souls. 

[Samurai Bucky]

17 hours ago, SeaBass said:

After the game Sunday I left the channel on, not something I usually do because network talking heads hurt my brain with most of their barely educated opinions, I was struck with a thought. Sean Payton, occupying a network desk masquerading as an aforementioned talking head, is basically a free agent right now.

Does he play Offensive Line or Wide Receiver?

[homer]

 

 

 

[OldHeidelberg]

1 hour ago, homer said:

 

 

 

Good news but unfortunately it seems paired with some bad news, Bakh back on the injury report which I would guess means he won't go tomorrow. Considering the way the season is going it may be best to IR him and move on, he won't be here next year anyway and trying to squeeze something out of that contract this year may be more trouble than it's worth. He hasn't really graded out that well when playing, probably time to just move on with Yosh. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

2 hours ago, OldHeidelberg said:

Good news but unfortunately it seems paired with some bad news, Bakh back on the injury report which I would guess means he won't go tomorrow. Considering the way the season is going it may be best to IR him and move on, he won't be here next year anyway and trying to squeeze something out of that contract this year may be more trouble than it's worth. He hasn't really graded out that well when playing, probably time to just move on with Yosh. 

IR him and move on? That seems really rash to me. i think he's looked fine, The guy has barely played in 1 1/2 years. There was bound to be some rust. In any case, he looks far from done IMO.

[OldHeidelberg]

56 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

IR him and move on? That seems really rash to me. i think he's looked fine, The guy has barely played in 1 1/2 years. There was bound to be some rust. In any case, he looks far from done IMO.

Well, it was probably premature for me to say that when we don't even know if he is out tomorrow,  But if it is a significant setback, which wouldn't be a surprise, I think it may be time to shut him down and see how thing go with Nijman for a while. He is probably our future there anyways. Let's see what happens tomorrow, I haven't noticed him being that bad either but the whole line has stunk so bad it's hard to say anyone is doing well.  

[CheezWizHed]

7 hours ago, homer said:

 

 

 

I think I made the comment in preseason that these two were really only the equivalent to one WR this year.  Cobkins?  Watobb? 

[Fear The Chorizo]

4 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

IR him and move on? That seems really rash to me. i think he's looked fine, The guy has barely played in 1 1/2 years. There was bound to be some rust. In any case, he looks far from done IMO.

Since returning Bakh really hasn't played well (not terrible but far from great), and he definitely isn't playing physical at the point of attack on running plays.  Rust could definitely be an issue, hoping it's not ongoing issues with the knee after a few weeks of gameday stress on it.

[UpandIn]

11 hours ago, OldHeidelberg said:

Good news but unfortunately it seems paired with some bad news, Bakh back on the injury report which I would guess means he won't go tomorrow. Considering the way the season is going it may be best to IR him and move on, he won't be here next year anyway and trying to squeeze something out of that contract this year may be more trouble than it's worth. He hasn't really graded out that well when playing, probably time to just move on with Yosh. 

He was literally the highest graded left tackle in the league last week. He's been the Packers highest graded pass blocking OL this year. 

Did I miss something? The guy just practiced 5 straight days...which, granted, people may not care about or say he SHOULD practice everyday, but given their plan for him and just the fact that it's the NFL and veteran All Pro's can afford less practice time, this seems like a...bizarre time to cut bait on Bakhtiari.

[UpandIn]

5 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Since returning Bakh really hasn't played well (not terrible but far from great), and he definitely isn't playing physical at the point of attack on running plays.  Rust could definitely be an issue, hoping it's not ongoing issues with the knee after a few weeks of gameday stress on it.

That's never been his strength. He's just never going to be a mauler at LT. Caleb Jones would probably be better in that regard right now. But we also run an outside zone scheme and he doesn't need to move guys off the line. He needs to be assignment sure and take the DL where they're going, create cutback lanes, and he's back to being very good at that. 

Again, week 6 he was almost all the way back to playing at an elite level. The very last problem right now is David Bakhtiari's play. 

Packers OL Run Blocking Grades this season;

LT: David Bakhtiari: 80.8 (High Quality)
LG: Jon Runyan: 35.9 (Bad)
C: Josh Myers: 62.9 (Average)
RG: Royce Newman: 50.1 (Below Avg)
RT: Elgton Jenkins: 69.0 (Above Avg)

Week 6 Pass blocking grade;

Overall grade week 6;

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Bakhtiari looked all the way back from injury troubles in Sunday’s loss to the New York Jets. He allowed just one hurry while producing an 86.7 PFF grade.

 

I'm as big a fan of Yosh Nijman as there is, but at his best, he's been David Bakhtiari at HIS worst. The gap between the two is massive. Maybe it's expectations. People expect Bakh to just erase the top edge rushers and he hasn't quite reached his pre-injury status, but he's been pretty damn good. 

Yosh is a freak athlete who came into the league with absolutely terrible technique and he's just continued to get better, but it's still a big drop off from Bakh to him. Yosh needs to be playing RT almost exclusively in practice right now so they can kick Jenkins back inside. His pass blocking has been a problem...and more importantly, Newman's has been bad as well. 

 

[HarryDoyle]

The Panthers have said that Moore is not on the trade market and the Packers want to make a trade for Chase Claypool. Can't say I'm excited about that but I'm sure negotiations will go nowhere anyway.

[OldHeidelberg]

7 hours ago, UpandIn said:

Again, week 6 he was almost all the way back to playing at an elite level. The very last problem right now is David Bakhtiari's play. 

He is out today. They are talking about it right now on pregame, they worked all week on reshuffling Oline and now Bakh goes down between Friday and Saturday blowing up the plans. 

[UpandIn]

4 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

The Panthers have said that Moore is not on the trade market and the Packers want to make a trade for Chase Claypool. Can't say I'm excited about that but I'm sure negotiations will go nowhere anyway.

They said the same thing about Moore. I doubt he's not available.

Claypool would be a nice addition...certainly a lot easier to manage with the cap, but not sure he can beat man coverage quite like Moore can.