Packers 2022 Discussion Thread

[adambr2]

1 hour ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Enough of them. There will be a handful that think they are Rodgers away from a SB. I'm not really concerned with Rodgers being tradable. I think some people might be thinking the return would be more grand than reality, though. 

Something highly conditional I have no doubt. Off the top of my head, maybe a 2nd that becomes a 1st if he takes them to the playoffs and two 1sts if he takes them to the Super Bowl. I think that's about the best we could hope for. 

[nate82]

1 hour ago, GAME05 said:

The defense has every ability to be great, and an influx of cap money if Rodgers retires or an extra draft pick or two if he's traded would shore up the offense.

If Rodgers retires the Packers would have a cap hit of -$68m if Rodgers retires before 6/1.  Which the Packers are already in a negative cap space for 2023.  The Packers have two options if Rodgers doesn't retire and that is trade him post 6/1 or keep him and trade Love.  I think Love would bring back a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick at best. 

[homer]

21 minutes ago, nate82 said:

If Rodgers retires the Packers would have a cap hit of -$68m if Rodgers retires before 6/1.  Which the Packers are already in a negative cap space for 2023.  The Packers have two options if Rodgers doesn't retire and that is trade him post 6/1 or keep him and trade Love.  I think Love would bring back a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick at best. 

He just has to sign the paperwork after June 1, right? He can announce it pre June 1. At least that seems like the logical way it should work. Logic doesn't always apply to the cap though.

[Sixtolezcano]

42 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Something highly conditional I have no doubt. Off the top of my head, maybe a 2nd that becomes a 1st if he takes them to the playoffs and two 1sts if he takes them to the Super Bowl. I think that's about the best we could hope for. 

Unfortunately I have to agree with this statement. The time to have traded Rodgers was last off-season to the Broncos. If I remember correctly 2 #1s, Fant and a cornerback (I don’t remember who tho). It would have been a gamble for Gutey to trade a back to back MVP QB, but as they say better to trade a player too early than too late. I don’t believe we could get more than a 2nd with a conditional 1st after the year he had along with him turning 40. Posters that think getting back two 1st are just deluding themselves.

[Sixtolezcano]

Maybe they can work a trade out prior to June 1st with another team along with $$$ in addition to a lower draft pick (a 2nd). I’m not sure if the $$$$ thing and if they can work out a pre- June 1st trade would be viewed by the powers that be by the NFL rules.

[adambr2]

In hindsight, I can't think of any more fitting 2022 Packers way for the Packers season to end than to claw back in it, not get any reps for their young heir apparent QB, only to flush the entire run down the toilet at home in the last game with egregious mental errors and mistakes.

It perfectly fits the current organizational mantra of "we don't really have a plan per se but we'll figure something out on the fly."

[NeedMoreFans]

LaFleur is indicating Barry will be back...

This defense is loaded with first round picks so the talent is there, but clearly something is not clicking.  Yes, the last three games were much better, but they got torched by Tennessee and couldn't get a stop when they needed to last night and seemed to have defensive breakdowns all season long.  Maybe that was a product of being on the field a lot when the offense couldn't sustain a drive, I don't know.   

 

 

[DR28]

Are you fricken serious?? Barry needs to go and Im getting really sick of pretty boy… He can go for all I care as well.

[yourout]

15 minutes ago, DR28 said:

Are you fricken serious?? Barry needs to go and Im getting really sick of pretty boy… He can go for all I care as well.

It's just like the Chryst death spiral.

MLF is a fraud that was carried by all world ARod and now that he's Average Joe ARod... The real MLF is pretty clueless about how to design a functional offense. 

[adambr2]

At this point I'd be fine with replacing MLF as he seems completely in over his head. Just yesterday he vowed to go over everything with a fine toothed comb to find out what has gone wrong and in the same breath he's already indicated everything is just going to be business as usual as far as staff and wanting Rodgers back again. 

[HarveysWBs]

I mean, I’ve defended MLF all along, but if Barry is going to stay, and he’s going to hand over play calling, and he’s going to bring back Hackett (ostensibly to call plays)…what would MLF say, exactly, he does here? Didn’t we see this movie with McCarthy?

I know nothing is set in stone, and nobody in this org makes emotional decisions, and that’s a plus. But I’m hoping these choices get their due diligence, to say the least.

[LouisEly]

3 hours ago, yourout said:

It's just like the Chryst death spiral.

MLF is a fraud that was carried by all world ARod and now that he's Average Joe ARod... The real MLF is pretty clueless about how to design a functional offense. 

What coach has done well without a good QB other than Billick and the 2000 Ravens? 

[Sixtolezcano]

1 hour ago, HarveysWBs said:

I mean, I’ve defended MLF all along, but if Barry is going to stay, and he’s going to hand over play calling, and he’s going to bring back Hackett (ostensibly to call plays)…what would MLF say, exactly, he does here? Didn’t we see this movie with McCarthy?

I know nothing is set in stone, and nobody in this org makes emotional decisions, and that’s a plus. But I’m hoping these choices get their due diligence, to say the least.

Maybe Gutey forces a change at DC. 

[Sixtolezcano]

3 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

What coach has done well without a good QB other than Billick and the 2000 Ravens? 

49ers (best front office and HC in the NFL)

TB and Dilfer

 

[yourout]

5 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

What coach has done well without a good QB other than Billick and the 2000 Ravens? 

Philly..Foles

Rams...Stafford

Denver..Mannings

[LouisEly]

5 minutes ago, yourout said:

Philly..Foles

Rams...Stafford

Denver..Mannings

Foles started 3 games that season.  Wentz started 13 and had 33 TDs, 7 INTs, and a rating of 101.9.  Led the league in QBR and was #3 in the MVP voting that year.  They don't get into the playoffs without Wentz.

The other two are... not good examples.  Stafford threw for almost 5,000 yards and 41 TDs that year.  The other is in the Hall of Fame.

[LouisEly]

17 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

49ers (best front office and HC in the NFL)

TB and Dilfer

 

Tampa never made the Super Bowl with Dilfer at QB. 

The Ravens did, and that was 22 years ago.

[homer]

Joe Flacco

[superfly]

Guess living somewhat out of the loop in MN im a bit confused by the fire MLF talk. What exactly did folks expect from an offense with 2 rookie WRs (who barely saw the field together), a very mediocre TE, and an OL that constantly was shuffling pieces around? Did you expect A.J. to catch 150 balls as if the defense didn’t know it was coming? Lazard isn’t garbage, but he ain’t a 1/2 and never was, he’s a 3, maybe a low end 2. There just wasn’t any pieces to work with outside A.J. until Watson finally got healthy and blew up. 
 

it’s the same old song and dance every offseason with the WRs...one good one (Davante, and now Watson), and a bunch of throwing crap at a wall and seeing if something will stick. Maybe Doubs matures, who knows. But there needs to be a solid 2 WR to balance things out. Then go sign Sammy Watkins and act like you really found something...guy has been done for years. If it was me I’d draft another one high this offseason and be done with this garbage every offseason. Iirc Lazard may  even be a UFA.

 Joe Barry on the other hand.....who plays zone on 4th and 2 with your season on the line? Let alone the constant zone, but then act like your CBs are elite. USE THEM!

[GAME05]

I wouldn't expect MLF to say anything different about Barry since personnel is a bit out of his hands, anyway. And I'm sure he'll root to retain Barry since coordinators getting fired make the head coach look bad.

I didn't expect the offense to be great this year, but if you can't pass well, then why so few run attempts per game, especially when you have two good backs? And was it impossible to get Tonyan involved? I forgot he was still on the team until this past Sunday. I also expect coaches and coordinators to make the sum better than the individual parts, and they certainly didn't do that on either side. Were we a better team with MLF? Were we a better a better offense and defense with these coordinators? Plus when a head coach needs to step in and demand that you completely change your defensive schemes, that's a sure enough sign you need to go.

[adambr2]

18 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

I wouldn't expect MLF to say anything different about Barry since personnel is a bit out of his hands, anyway. And I'm sure he'll root to retain Barry since coordinators getting fired make the head coach look bad.

I didn't expect the offense to be great this year, but if you can't pass well, then why so few run attempts per game, especially when you have two good backs? And was it impossible to get Tonyan involved? I forgot he was still on the team until this past Sunday. I also expect coaches and coordinators to make the sum better than the individual parts, and they certainly didn't do that on either side. Were we a better team with MLF? Were we a better a better offense and defense with these coordinators? Plus when a head coach needs to step in and demand that you completely change your defensive schemes, that's a sure enough sign you need to go.

Personnel is definitely in his hands. He picks his coaching staff. 

You know what makes a coach look worse than firing coordinators? Hand picking a bland, fired twice, uncreative retread DC for a highly desirable DC position with a lot of young talent and a lot of potential innovative candidates, and then standing by that failing DC when the defensive predictably fails. 

[nate82]

On 1/9/2023 at 10:36 AM, homer said:

He just has to sign the paperwork after June 1, right? He can announce it pre June 1. At least that seems like the logical way it should work. Logic doesn't always apply to the cap though.

I think it has to do with if he gets his bonus or not.  If he doesn't get his bonus then it is pre June 1 but I could be completely wrong on this.  I think the Colts had the same issue when Luck retired. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

15 hours ago, Sixtolezcano said:

49ers (best front office and HC in the NFL)

TB and Dilfer

 

How many rings has that best front office and HC in the NFL accumulated again?

The 49ers could win 3 playoff games and get to the Super Bowl this season, at which they wouldn't be favored because they'd most likely be going up against Mahomes, Burrow, or Allen. You need an all world defense and favorable playoff matchups to win a Super Bowl without a top tier quarterback.  To sustain something where you're always in the mix for winning a title you need an all world quarterback.

Flacco won a title with the Ravens because his Super Bowl matchup was against Kaepernick and the Ravens didn't let him run for 175 yards.  Brad Johnson and the Buccaneers blew out an ancient and overmatched Raiders team for their title.  Dilfer won a title due entirely to one of the best 2-3 defenses in the history of the NFL.

[Sixtolezcano]

15 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Tampa never made the Super Bowl with Dilfer at QB. 

The Ravens did, and that was 22 years ago.

 

[Sixtolezcano]

Sorry wrong QB. Super Bowl XXXVII Buccaneers vs. Raiders. Brad Johnson and Rich Gannon, former Vikings QBs. Nuff said, lol.