Too Early 2023 Ideas (or beyond)

[wibadgers23]

It’s absolutely unbelievable that Tyrone is still in pre-arb. Feels like he’s been a Brewer for 10+ years.

[sveumrules]

8 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

It’s absolutely unbelievable that Tyrone is still in pre-arb. Feels like he’s been a Brewer for 10+ years.

Drafted in 2012 so this will be his 11th season in the organization.

Honestly is remarkable given how much player movement there is nowadays and he isn’t a star level player.

Since 2020 Tyrone is one of 116 OF with at least 600 PA, essentially four per team.

His 3.6 WAR ranks 61st ahead of Conforto (3.5), Haniger (3.3), Profar (3.1), Castellanos (3.0), Avisail (2.8), Joc (2.2), Bellinger (2.1), etc.

Not bad for a “fourth outfielder”.

[DR28]

8 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Drafted in 2012 so this will be his 11th season in the organization.

Honestly is remarkable given how much player movement there is nowadays and he isn’t a star level player.

Since 2020 Tyrone is one of 116 OF with at least 600 PA, essentially four per team.

His 3.6 WAR ranks 61st ahead of Conforto (3.5), Haniger (3.3), Profar (3.1), Castellanos (3.0), Avisail (2.8), Joc (2.2), Bellinger (2.1), etc.

Not bad for a “fourth outfielder”.

Yep, he'll be our everyday RF for now.

[jay87shot]

I would be OK with starting Taylor in right and getting the prospects feet wet and after 3-4 weeks handing things over. However I agree that Taylor is plus 4th OF and below average starter (at least for a playoff team). I have really felt like a team like the Tigers, A's, or Royals should be all over Taylor as a starter and we could net a decent relief arm for him but apparently not.

11 hours ago, brewcrewrule28 said:

I've seen some Varsho love today on twitter. I wonder what it would take to acquire him. 

The D-backs are looking to sell high on Varsho, he was a 5 WAR player last year and they know that is a bit of an overstep for a guy with a low ba/obp. With the 4 young OF they have he is the only tradable one (not trading Carroll) who will bring back high end pieces. My guess is that they want a package that rivals Murphy (without the 3rd team).

[DR28]

If we're looking to add one more dude... I would love to see Wil Myers as our everyday RF and then vs LHP he can play 1B.

[monty57]

Taylor is a nice fit on this team. He's proven to be a quality 4th outfielder, and being right-handed is a plus when Yelich, Frelick, Mitchell, and Winker are all lefties. 

Whoever gets dubbed "the starter" isn't quite as meaningful on a Counsell-run team. He has shown through the years that he makes sure everyone gets plenty of playing time. 

At one point I was ready to see what Taylor could do as a starter, but now that we have so much young OF talent ready to step in, he'll likely settle in as a 4th OF. He'll get a few starts a week, starting every game against LHP, and giving the other guys days off. A lot can happen, so I'm glad he's still on the roster and don't see him getting traded at least until the youngsters have a season or two under their belts.

2023: Yelich (LF), Frelick (CF), Mitchell (RF), Taylor (4th), Winker (DH)

2024: Yelich (DH) Mitchell (LF), Frelick (CF), Wiemer (RF), Taylor (4th)

Chourio up whenever he's ready to alter the aforementioned plans. When he's up and playing, assuming the other guys have all panned out, then I think Taylor will be traded.

Also, I don't know which of Mitchell/Frelick will be CF and which will be RF. I think they're kind of interchangeable that way, which is a good problem.

[Robocaller]

14 hours ago, DR28 said:

Yep, he'll be our everyday RF for now.

Unless they avoid super 2 with Frelick (delaying his promotion), I see Frelick and Mitchell getting most of the starts in CF and RF. Taylor will get plenty of time playing RF when Frelick or Mitchell sits, and playing LF when Yelich sits or plays DH.

[Robocaller]

6 hours ago, monty57 said:

 

2023: Yelich (LF), Frelick (CF), Mitchell (RF), Taylor (4th), Winker (DH)

2024: Yelich (DH) Mitchell (LF), Frelick (CF), Wiemer (RF), Taylor (4th)

I agree with this, except in 2024, Mitchell will be playing CF and Frelick LF. And Taylor might be gone.

 

[Robocaller]

6 hours ago, monty57 said:

Also, I don't know which of Mitchell/Frelick will be CF and which will be RF. I think they're kind of interchangeable that way, which is a good problem.

Mitchell has the better arm. He'd be the RF when they're both on the field (with Yelich). 

[monty57]

10 hours ago, Robocaller said:

I agree with this, except in 2024, Mitchell will be playing CF and Frelick LF. And Taylor might be gone.

 

Makes sense with Mitchell/Frelick.

Regarding Taylor:

When Chourio is brought up, he will be playing every day. If Mitchell, Frelick and Wiemer have all proven to be MLB players by that time, they will split time at the other positions.

That is when I think Taylor should be traded away. He is valuable to the Brewers in his current role, so there is no reason to trade him until we have better options. Right now, I'd rather have Taylor in the mix, even if it's as "4th outfielder," as we know he can play that role well. Leave Wiemer in AAA where he can play every day, and bring him up when someone gets hurt. He will get his shot.

So, Taylor's tenure with the Brewers is somewhat contingent on how the other guys perform. If all of them do well, he'll probably be gone sometime in '24. If one of them doesn't pan out, he'll probably be here until he hits free agency, or until one of our younger, lesser-discussed OF prospects takes his spot and fills the role for league minimum when Taylor is making a couple million in arby.

He's one of those "valuable when he's cheap" players that the Brewers need to rely on in order to stay competitive on a limited payroll. Jace Peterson was another example of this, and hopefully the Brewers can keep churning these guys out of their farm. They're obviously not as valuable as the "potential Rookie of the Year" guys, but they're necessary for the Brewers continued success.

[Robocaller]

7 hours ago, monty57 said:

Regarding Taylor:

When Chourio is brought up, he will be playing every day. If Mitchell, Frelick and Wiemer have all proven to be MLB players by that time, they will split time at the other positions.

That is when I think Taylor should be traded away. He is valuable to the Brewers in his current role, so there is no reason to trade him until we have better options.

The "better option" will be when Wiemer is on the ML team. 

 

[monty57]

56 minutes ago, Robocaller said:

The "better option" will be when Wiemer is on the ML team. 

 

I figure Yelich will be the DH next year (‘24). so that might give us some time with Mitchell, Frelick, Wiemer as starters until Chourio is up for good. That could mean that Taylor could still be the backup.
 

How all the guys progress and get promoted should determine Taylor’s fate. He’s not going to block any of them, but if someone’s going to just sit the bench, I’d rather it be him, with Wiemer playing every day in AAA. 
 

If Chourio and Wiemer come up sooner, Taylor will be gone sooner. 

[wallus]

7 minutes ago, monty57 said:

I figure Yelich will be the DH next year (‘24). so that might give us some time with Mitchell, Frelick, Wiemer as starters until Chourio is up for good. That could mean that Taylor could still be the backup.
 

How all the guys progress and get promoted should determine Taylor’s fate. He’s not going to block any of them, but if someone’s going to just sit the bench, I’d rather it be him, with Wiemer playing every day in AAA. 
 

If Chourio and Wiemer come up sooner, Taylor will be gone sooner. 

The odds of Mitchell, Frelick, Wiemer, and Chourio all being worthy starters is very low. I would be thrilled if 3 of them pan out.

[monty57]

16 minutes ago, wallus said:

The odds of Mitchell, Frelick, Wiemer, and Chourio all being worthy starters is very low. I would be thrilled if 3 of them pan out.

Agree, which is why it’s nice to have Taylor around. He’s proven to be a quality backup, so hold him until he’s forced off the roster. 

[rickh150]

2 hours ago, wallus said:

The odds of Mitchell, Frelick, Wiemer, and Chourio all being worthy starters is very low. I would be thrilled if 3 of them pan out.

Three? Panning out… does that mean a decent starter? If so, I would be thrilled with two being worthy starters or fringe All Stars. I think the Brewers would be happy with that, but then again that could short change Chourio somewhat considering all the hype. Still think the Brewers take that…

[sveumrules]

Scanning the 2022 reliever leaderboards looking for guys on non-contenders and the most intriguing name I came across was Hunter Harvey on the Nationals.

Only 39 IP but he posted a 62 ERA- and 52 FIP-, though his 0.23 HR9 is likely unsustainable leading to an 85 xFIP-.

Checking his pitch mix it looks like he more or less ditched his breaking balls to emphasize his 98.3 MPH four seamer (77%) and 89.4 MPH splitter (15%) as the out pitch.

Not sure what he would cost to acquire, was a waiver claim by the Nats last March so maybe they'd be interested in cashing him in for prospect capital. Looking at BTV something like Zavier Warren, Hendry Mendez or Luis Lara as a headliner (depending on how far out the Nats are thinking) would be around fair value.

[Jake McKibbin]

6 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Scanning the 2022 reliever leaderboards looking for guys on non-contenders and the most intriguing name I came across was Hunter Harvey on the Nationals.

Only 39 IP but he posted a 62 ERA- and 52 FIP-, though his 0.23 HR9 is likely unsustainable leading to an 85 xFIP-.

Checking his pitch mix it looks like he more or less ditched his breaking balls to emphasize his 98.3 MPH four seamer (77%) and 89.4 MPH splitter (15%) as the out pitch.

Not sure what he would cost to acquire, was a waiver claim by the Nats last March so maybe they'd be interested in cashing him in for prospect capital. Looking at BTV something like Zavier Warren, Hendry Mendez or Luis Lara as a headliner (depending on how far out the Nats are thinking) would be around fair value.

Another strong one is what would it cost for 2 Years of Scott Barlow in a trade from Kansas City?

[Robocaller]

13 hours ago, monty57 said:

I figure Yelich will be the DH next year (‘24). so that might give us some time with Mitchell, Frelick, Wiemer as starters until Chourio is up for good. That could mean that Taylor could still be the backup.
 

How all the guys progress and get promoted should determine Taylor’s fate. He’s not going to block any of them, but if someone’s going to just sit the bench, I’d rather it be him, with Wiemer playing every day in AAA. 
 

If Chourio and Wiemer come up sooner, Taylor will be gone sooner. 

Unless he has a setback, Chourio will be up during 2024. I hope Wiemer is up sometime during 2023, at which point Taylor can be traded.

 

[sveumrules]

6 hours ago, jakedood said:

Another strong one is what would it cost for 2 Years of Scott Barlow in a trade from Kansas City?

Barlow has a longer track record of success so he’d probably cost a bit more to acquire.

BTV has Barlow in the same neighborhood as guys like Mitchell, Turang or Wiemer.

[jay87shot]

Some random thoughts/questions/ideas

1)With Dansby to the Cubs do you think the Willy calls might heat up? I know Arnold said they aren't trading the big 3, however it wouldn't be surprising to see the Braves, Dodgers, Red Sox, Angels, or Twins get desperate and make us an offer we couldn't refuse. Maybe the same thing for Burnes since all the good starters are signed.

2) Would any teams take a couple of our 40 man roster guys that seem blocked/redundant for a prospect. I live in Michigan and think there are a bunch of guys the Tigers should try and get from us (Keston, Brosseau, pen depth, Hauser, Small). I would think they A's, Royals, Red Sox, Rockies, Dbacks, Pirates, Marlins, Reds, etc could vulture a guy that wouldn't hurt us and we would gain a roster spot.

3) Why not just cut a guy like Trevor Kelley, Jason Alexander, Jon Singleton, or Tyson Miller. I can't see them making the od roster. Is it just for injury reasons.

4) Alot has been made about improving 3rd however improving 1st might seem more meaningful. Rowdy had a -1.4 defensive WAR last year. By trading Winker or Rowdy we could save some money and then improve the roster. Basically I am falling for a  Yandy Diaz trade and think he would fit our team as a 1B perfectly.

5) With the relief market being crazy right now, we are smart to wait it out. However I think adding a vet late inning arm (preferably a lefty) is our biggest need. Matt Moore, Michael Fulmer, Andrew Chafin, Chapman, Kimbrel Brad Hand, Corey Knebel, Zach Britton, Ken Giles, Alex Reyes, Chad Green, and Mychal Givens could all be possible depending on your opinion on them (and price/years). Maybe a starter to convert to relief like Archer, Duffy,  Fujinama would work as well.

[Ro Mueller]

Maybe it’s time to bring 2008 Brewers’ 21st round draft pick LHP Lucas Luetge home: 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/yankees-designate-lucas-luetge-for-assignment.html

[Robocaller]

Since SF lost Correa,

How about Adames  (plus Luis Lara and Jadher Areinamo for 

Kyle Harrison LH starting pitcher, who could be promoted to the majors in 2023. https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=harris003kyl

 

and 

Casey Schmitt, a 3B/SS who could be promoted during 2023. https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=schmit000cas

[Lloyd330]

Burnes/Adames to Yankees for Cortes/Volpe/Dominguez/Gil

Extra year control with Cortes or flip him Giants for Harrison

Volpe is a better version on Adames

Dominguez is a total wild card

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

15 minutes ago, Lloyd330 said:

Burnes/Adames to Yankees for Cortes/Volpe/Dominguez/Gil

Extra year control with Cortes or flip him Giants for Harrison

Volpe is a better version on Adames

Dominguez is a total wild card

Welcome to Brewer Fanatic!

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

2 hours ago, Lloyd330 said:

Burnes/Adames to Yankees for Cortes/Volpe/Dominguez/Gil

Extra year control with Cortes or flip him Giants for Harrison

Volpe is a better version on Adames

Dominguez is a total wild card

 

If Volpe is a better version of Adames, why not just hand him the SS job outright?