Rumor: Cardinals Active in Free Agent SS Market

[wibadgers23]

You just know they’re going to sign one of the high-end free agent shortstops to go with Arenado and Goldschmidt.

 

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[Brock Beauchamp]

Woof. I hope they fail spectacularly in their pursuit of such a player.

[BallFour]

If they trade for Murphy/sign Contreras and add one of the big 4 shortstops, the gap between the Cardinals and Brewers will be pretty wide projections wise. 

[StearnsFTW]

Don't mind too much if it's Swanson or Correa.

 

Really hope they don't get Bogaerts or Turner.

 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

51 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

Don't mind too much if it's Swanson or Correa.

 

Really hope they don't get Bogaerts or Turner.

 

Looks like Turner to the Phillies, according to Passan. 

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

3 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Looks like Turner to the Phillies, according to Passan. 

 

Wow, okay. I expected Correa to go off the board first.

[sveumrules]

3 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Looks like Turner to the Phillies, according to Passan. 

 

Thought they'd sign Xander for sure since he is the worst fielder of the bunch,

[Brock Beauchamp]

1 minute ago, sveumrules said:

Thought they'd sign Xander for sure since he is the worst fielder of the bunch,

Well played, sir.

[wibadgers23]

57 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

Don't mind too much if it's Swanson or Correa.

 

Really hope they don't get Bogaerts or Turner.

 

Swanson wouldn't worry me much but any of those other guys would sting.

[StearnsFTW]

16 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

Swanson wouldn't worry me much but any of those other guys would sting.

I don't really trust Correa to live up to his contract personally.  Had some injury stuff already.

 

[DR28]

Morosi said Swanson to end up either with Cubs or Cardinals.

[StearnsFTW]

19 minutes ago, DR28 said:

Morosi said Swanson to end up either with Cubs or Cardinals.

Good.  Contract year last year screams outlier.

 

 

[Lathund]

Swanson just seems like a Cardinal already. No real standout skill or statistical outlier, just allround solid getting value from defense, baserunning and an average-ish bat. Probably a 3-3.5  WAR type of guy most years with the occasional all-star year. Good player, but wouldn't mind the Cardinals spending a ton of money on him. But because he already seems like a Cardinal, it seems like an odd place for them to spend, as they produce that kind of player (or close enough anyway) frequently, most recently Tommy Edman. 

I don't actually think they'll end up with any of the big shortstops in the end though. They seem to trade for and extend players, not sign big FAs. So these big 8-10 year deals don't seem as likely. Also pretty much their entire rotation are free agents after this year, they'll probably need to have a good chunk of money set aside for that. 

[StearnsFTW]

1 hour ago, Lathund said:

Swanson just seems like a Cardinal already. No real standout skill or statistical outlier, just allround solid getting value from defense, baserunning and an average-ish bat. Probably a 3-3.5  WAR type of guy most years with the occasional all-star year. Good player, but wouldn't mind the Cardinals spending a ton of money on him. But because he already seems like a Cardinal, it seems like an odd place for them to spend, as they produce that kind of player (or close enough anyway) frequently, most recently Tommy Edman. 

I don't actually think they'll end up with any of the big shortstops in the end though. They seem to trade for and extend players, not sign big FAs. So these big 8-10 year deals don't seem as likely. Also pretty much their entire rotation are free agents after this year, they'll probably need to have a good chunk of money set aside for that. 

I was shocked to see how low his WAR was other than last year.

 

Someone is going to pay for 2022 production and most likely not get it.

 

Here's hoping it's the Cardinals.

[Robocaller]

Last year I thought the Cards over performed their true ability (as a team), while the Brewers under-performed. I still believe the Brewers were the better team. 
If the Cards add a SS after adding Contreras, and after the at-best lateral moves we've made, we might just be hoping for a wildcard slot.

 

[UpandIn]

On 12/5/2022 at 2:43 PM, StearnsFTW said:

Good.  Contract year last year screams outlier.

 

 

Seems like the biggest difference was he had better luck last year. 

 

[Hopper]

16 hours ago, Robocaller said:

Last year I thought the Cards over performed their true ability (as a team), while the Brewers under-performed. I still believe the Brewers were the better team. 
 

As much as you want to believe that's true, it just isn't.

Standings reveal the truth.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

22 minutes ago, Hopper said:

As much as you want to believe that's true, it just isn't.

Standings reveal the truth.

*in your opinion

[Hopper]

1 hour ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

*in your opinion

It's pretty factual actually.

Look at the 2022 standings, and it is laid out right in front of you.

The Cardinals won 7 more games than we did, it wasn't even close.

They were a much better team in 2022, they won 7 more games, and they made the play-offs.

It really can't be argued.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Just now, Hopper said:

It's pretty factual actually.

Look at the 2022 standings, and it is laid out right in front of you.

The Cardinals won 7 more games than we did, it wasn't even close.

They were a much better team in 2022, they won 7 more games, and they made the play-offs.

It really can't be argued.

Standings never, ever tell the whole story of a season.

[Hopper]

2 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Standings never, ever tell the whole story of a season.

ok, what does.

The final standings are what dictates who moves on in the playoffs.

The standings don't account for injuries, luck (good or bad) but the standings do tell you who were the best teams that season.  Our 2022 standings tell us the entire story all right, and because you don't want to believe it, it's still true.  The Cardinals won 7 more games than we did.  They were the better team.

That is the entire story.

[Hopper]

2 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Standings never, ever tell the whole story of a season.

Look, the Brewers had 162 games to prove they were better than the Cardinals, they fell 7 games short. 

It wasn't even close.

The fact that we have people that still think the Brewers were better than the Cardinals in 2022 is a joke. 

They simply were not.

[Brewcrew82]

37 minutes ago, Hopper said:

Look, the Brewers had 162 games to prove they were better than the Cardinals, they fell 7 games short. 

It wasn't even close.

The fact that we have people that still think the Brewers were better than the Cardinals in 2022 is a joke. 

They simply were not.

Ah, yes, the old labeling an opinion that doesn't perfectly align with yours as a "joke" trick...Nice demonstration of your supposed commitment to pluralism on the forum. 

It's far from an unreasonable take. The Brewers ran away with the division in 2021 and were in first place for a large chunk of 2022, before injuries to their pitching staff caught up with them and team morale was decimated by the Hader trade. I don't entirely agree with it, but it's a fair argument/opinion. 

[Robocaller]

14 hours ago, Hopper said:

It's pretty factual actually.

Look at the 2022 standings, and it is laid out right in front of you.

The Cardinals won 7 more games than we did, it wasn't even close.

They were a much better team in 2022, they won 7 more games, and they made the play-offs.

It really can't be argued.

It's only factual if you view it as a tautology. 
 

[Robocaller]

14 hours ago, Hopper said:

It's pretty factual actually.

Look at the 2022 standings, and it is laid out right in front of you.

The Cardinals won 7 more games than we did, it wasn't even close.

They were a much better team in 2022, they won 7 more games, and they made the play-offs.

It really can't be argued.

It's only factual if you view it as a tautology.