Who should/would the Brewers pick up at the deadline?

[YodaDaSoda]

I know this is a ways out, but if the Brewers are in 1st or even close 2nd place by the deadline, they will likely trade for some help. This obviously wasn't the case last year, but now with Matt Arnold in charge I feel that would change. Who should the Brewers trade for at the deadline? Would it be first base help due to Rowdy and Voit's streakiness at the plate and poor defense, would they package Urias and Taylor with a prospect to make room for Chourio? Any ideas?

[wiguy94]

Far too soon to even think about something like this. Will have a much better grasp when we get closer and have a clearer picture on roster weaknesses and injury issues. 

[jay87shot]

Probably pitching and maybe 1B or 3B depending on lots and lots of variables. Honestly it might be best to try and get some IF prospects.

Maybe prospect swaps like Frelick to Tampa for Kyle Manzardo (or Curtis Mead) and a second piece or Frelick to Cincy for Noelvi Marte. Hard to predict anything for the next month or so.

[nate82]

I don't see the Brewers adding a bat as I think they are contempt with what they have in their young players to fill any holes that may come up. 

Pitching wise I think the Brewers will try and add a starter to replace Lauer if possible.  Someone like Wheeler, Giolito or Lynn I believe will be a target.  The Brewers did try and get Carlos Rodon last year from the Giants so I think another starter is probably going to be what they go after.  

Bullpen is probably the other spot as usual that the Brewers will try and fill. 

[igor67]

Bullpen is the safe bet, and I agree it's tough to find another likely candidate at this point. I'd love a true fixture at first base, if we could dangle an OFer and get value that way, but no really good options spring to mind.

[brewcrewdue80]

5 hours ago, igor67 said:

Bullpen is the safe bet, and I agree it's tough to find another likely candidate at this point. I'd love a true fixture at first base, if we could dangle an OFer and get value that way, but no really good options spring to mind.

1st base option that may come up available mid-year- Garrett Cooper and Dominic Smith rentals for remainder of season.  Looked at Washington having another guy named Joey Menesis. 31year old righty. Platoon bat with Tellez. Kinda a 2nd year rookie. Not impressive to date. But had decent AAA numbers last season who may bloom a little to consider deadline time if the Voit/Hiura experience continues to Platoon flounder. I'm not parting with any of our top OFs. Just an idea where we're looking at on the 1b market today, predicting a non-playoff season.

[Jake McKibbin]

12 hours ago, nate82 said:

I don't see the Brewers adding a bat as I think they are contempt with what they have in their young players to fill any holes that may come up. 

Pitching wise I think the Brewers will try and add a starter to replace Lauer if possible.  Someone like Wheeler, Giolito or Lynn I believe will be a target.  The Brewers did try and get Carlos Rodon last year from the Giants so I think another starter is probably going to be what they go after.  

Bullpen is probably the other spot as usual that the Brewers will try and fill. 

The only thing I can maybe see is Voit being gone and another DH/1B in the mix, potentially, but other than that yeah most likely pitching side, either bullpen or starter and push a back ender to the bullpen

[Jopal78]

I cannot think of any reason why Ohtani wouldn’t be their #1 target, until the Angels trade him elsewhere. 

[nate82]

29 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

I cannot think of any reason why Ohtani wouldn’t be their #1 target, until the Angels trade him elsewhere. 

I don't see that as a realistic target.  The Angels would want Chourio plus another prospect or two for Ohtani.  I don't think the Brewers would pay that.  Also after Chourio there really isn't a prospect in the Brewers system that would be of interest to the Angels.  I think the Brewers will have someone lower than Ohtani as their #1 target. 

[Jake McKibbin]

45 minutes ago, nate82 said:

I don't see that as a realistic target.  The Angels would want Chourio plus another prospect or two for Ohtani.  I don't think the Brewers would pay that.  Also after Chourio there really isn't a prospect in the Brewers system that would be of interest to the Angels.  I think the Brewers will have someone lower than Ohtani as their #1 target. 

For 3 month of ohtani that won't be their asking price. They may request something like Frelick and black style price though, I'm not as good at judging these things but 7 years chourio is way outvaluing ohtani for 3 months for me

[nate82]

14 minutes ago, Jake McKibbin said:

For 3 month of ohtani that won't be their asking price. They may request something like Frelick and black style price though, I'm not as good at judging these things but 7 years chourio is way outvaluing ohtani for 3 months for me

It definitely will be their asking price.  Ohtani has about $60m in excess value.  Chourio has more excess value at about $75m.  You would have to add two Frelick's to get to Ohtani valuation.  With Frelick and Black you are about $20m short.  Frelick, Wiemer and Black would get you to Ohtani's excess value. 

I don't see the Brewers matching the value for Ohtani in a trade.  I think Ohtani will be on the Dodgers or Yankees.  Something like Stone, Busch, De Paula and another piece is close to what it would take to get Ohtani.  The Dodgers are probably the favorites for Ohtani at least trade wise as they have a few pitchers the Angels could choose from. 

[MrTPlush]

24 minutes ago, nate82 said:

It definitely will be their asking price.  Ohtani has about $60m in excess value.  Chourio has more excess value at about $75m.  You would have to add two Frelick's to get to Ohtani valuation.  With Frelick and Black you are about $20m short.  Frelick, Wiemer and Black would get you to Ohtani's excess value. 

I don't see the Brewers matching the value for Ohtani in a trade.  I think Ohtani will be on the Dodgers or Yankees.  Something like Stone, Busch, De Paula and another piece is close to what it would take to get Ohtani.  The Dodgers are probably the favorites for Ohtani at least trade wise as they have a few pitchers the Angels could choose from. 

The Angels aren't getting Chourio or anything near him for Ohtani. Valuation might say so, but teams only give up so much for rentals these days...even if Ohtani is one of the best baseball players in history. I also don't see how he has $60mil in excess value. Especially since he isn't getting traded till July or so. I would be shocked if they get a Frelick type guy to headline it though.

You are probably right that the Dodgers are the best bet. They have a ton of Top 100 prospect capital and certainly the ability to make up for it spending money in the future. 

Us getting him is a total pipe dream though. We aren't going to trade Hader 1.5 years early and then turn around a year later and sell off half the upper tier of the farm for a few months of Ohtani. That seems pretty stupid. 

[wiguy94]

46 minutes ago, nate82 said:

It definitely will be their asking price.  Ohtani has about $60m in excess value.  Chourio has more excess value at about $75m.  You would have to add two Frelick's to get to Ohtani valuation.  With Frelick and Black you are about $20m short.  Frelick, Wiemer and Black would get you to Ohtani's excess value. 

I don't see the Brewers matching the value for Ohtani in a trade.  I think Ohtani will be on the Dodgers or Yankees.  Something like Stone, Busch, De Paula and another piece is close to what it would take to get Ohtani.  The Dodgers are probably the favorites for Ohtani at least trade wise as they have a few pitchers the Angels could choose from. 

Ohtani's value is $60M with 150 games to go in the season. His trade value will be much smaller come the trade deadline when there are only 60 games left before he becomes a FA.

[nate82]

3 hours ago, MrTPlush said:

The Angels aren't getting Chourio or anything near him for Ohtani. Valuation might say so, but teams only give up so much for rentals these days...even if Ohtani is one of the best baseball players in history. I also don't see how he has $60mil in excess value. Especially since he isn't getting traded till July or so. I would be shocked if they get a Frelick type guy to headline it though.

I wouldn't be surprised by a Frelick type as that is about half of what Ohtani is valued at currently.

 

3 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Ohtani's value is $60M with 150 games to go in the season. His trade value will be much smaller come the trade deadline when there are only 60 games left before he becomes a FA.

I don't think it will be all that much smaller.  There will be a bunch of teams fighting for him which I think will keep his valuation high enough.  The Dodgers, Yankees, Cardinals and Blue Jays could all be trying to get Ohtani.  The Dodgers have the best chance to get him as they could just outbid someone with Stone and De Paula.  That wouldn't even be the best prospects the Dodgers could offer the Angels.  The Dodgers have the pitching to outbid anyone for Ohtani.  It will all depend on if the Dodgers want Ohtani or not and if they are willing to give up one of their pitching prospects for him.  If the Dodgers decide they want Ohtani then I am not sure there is any team that will be able to match what the Dodgers can offer. 

The Dodgers are basically why I don't see the Brewers willing to get in a bidding war with for Ohtani they just can't win without offering Chourio.  Far more likely the Brewers go after the players I listed earlier. 

[MrTPlush]

41 minutes ago, nate82 said:

I wouldn't be surprised by a Frelick type as that is about half of what Ohtani is valued at currently.

 

I don't think it will be all that much smaller.  There will be a bunch of teams fighting for him which I think will keep his valuation high enough.  The Dodgers, Yankees, Cardinals and Blue Jays could all be trying to get Ohtani.  The Dodgers have the best chance to get him as they could just outbid someone with Stone and De Paula.  That wouldn't even be the best prospects the Dodgers could offer the Angels.  The Dodgers have the pitching to outbid anyone for Ohtani.  It will all depend on if the Dodgers want Ohtani or not and if they are willing to give up one of their pitching prospects for him.  If the Dodgers decide they want Ohtani then I am not sure there is any team that will be able to match what the Dodgers can offer. 

The Dodgers are basically why I don't see the Brewers willing to get in a bidding war with for Ohtani they just can't win without offering Chourio.  Far more likely the Brewers go after the players I listed earlier. 

I meant wouldn’t*
 

Im guessing $60mil is his full season evaluation? By the time he gets traded half the season is over. I don’t see the point validating him in April terms He isn’t getting traded today.

If they could have gotten $60mil+ value for him I think he’d be gone already. I don’t think a team is interested in paying that for a year or less of him. It is like if they tried to trade him three years ago. No one is going to pay $180mil in prospect capital for him. At some point there is a ceiling a team is going to pay for a rental player, regardless of how good they are.

[nate82]

43 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

If they could have gotten $60mil+ value for him I think he’d be gone already. I don’t think a team is interested in paying that for a year or less of him. It is like if they tried to trade him three years ago. No one is going to pay $180mil in prospect capital for him. At some point there is a ceiling a team is going to pay for a rental player, regardless of how good they are.

There is no way they would have even tried to trade him before the deadline.  I am actually skeptical they will even shop him during the deadline.  I wouldn't be surprised if the Angels don't shop Ohtani and will tell teams he is not available regardless of how well they are doing.  

Moreno is the type of owner who is going to be stubborn and won't trade someone even if it would help his team especially a superstar like Ohtani.  It would hurt his ego to let go of someone that popular on the team even if it is the right move to trade the player.  

[Jopal78]

17 hours ago, nate82 said:

I don't see that as a realistic target.  The Angels would want Chourio plus another prospect or two for Ohtani.  I don't think the Brewers would pay that.  Also after Chourio there really isn't a prospect in the Brewers system that would be of interest to the Angels.  I think the Brewers will have someone lower than Ohtani as their #1 target. 

Of course it’s a realistic target, it’s adding a top of the rotation starter and a clean up hitter in one move. Every contender will have Ohtani as a target.

It would be a very Angels move to keep Ohtani then have him leave as a free agent with just the QO compensation; but if they do trade him they likely would take the best package of prospects. I don’t think any other contender would be offering up Top 10 overall prospects, thus the Brewers job would simply be to have the best of the offers on the table

[Outlander]

Kind of joking but not really, if the Angels falter like usual could use a right handed hitter like Hunter Renfroe. Like every year, hitting left handed pitching will be a problem for the Brewers.

[brewcrewrule28]

On 4/10/2023 at 3:09 PM, nate82 said:

I don't see the Brewers adding a bat as I think they are contempt with what they have in their young players to fill any holes that may come up. 

Pitching wise I think the Brewers will try and add a starter to replace Lauer if possible.  Someone like Wheeler, Giolito or Lynn I believe will be a target.  The Brewers did try and get Carlos Rodon last year from the Giants so I think another starter is probably going to be what they go after.  

Bullpen is probably the other spot as usual that the Brewers will try and fill. 

There was reporting they went after Rodon? I don't remember that. 

[nate82]

4 hours ago, brewcrewrule28 said:

There was reporting they went after Rodon? I don't remember that. 

It came out after the trade.  The Brewers and Giants were not able to agree on the players the Brewers would give up for Rodon.  It was a bigger deal that was being worked on instead of just Rosenthal it would have been Rodon and Rosenthal but that deal broke down.

[Playing Catch]

On 4/11/2023 at 1:59 AM, brewcrewdue80 said:

Looked at Washington having another guy named Joey Menesis.

In trying to alleviate the concern about facing lefties, Meneses fits the bill really well for the Crew. 30-year old rookie with 3 options remaining. First baseman, hits from the right side, good numbers versus lefties. Bad team. Probably cheap.

Judging by his minors stats, it looks like he may have had a shot to break through in the majors as a late-bloomer right when Covid hit.

Jeimer Candelario would fit, too from the Nationals. Free agent next season.