August Prospect Voting Time!

[Brock Beauchamp]

29 minutes ago, homer said:

@Brock Beauchamp Can you cancel my vote? I omitted someone.

Done!

[CheeseheadInQC]

21 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Here is a super long post with a bunch of guys I didn't vote for, but still find intriguing, separated by position, then ordered by personal preference within each grouping. Call it a follow list, call it #21 through number whatever, call it a massive waste of time, but whichsoever way, here it is (all stats through Aug 12)...

POSITION PLAYERS

Dylan O'Rae
2B/CF with 356/514/400 (152 wRC+) over 183 PA at ACL/A, age 19. 21.9 BB% | 12.6 K% | 28/2 SB/CS

Juan Baez 
SS/3B with 389/411/594 (144 wRC+) over 185 PA at ACL, age 18. 3.2 BB% | 10.8 K% | 17/2 SB/CS

Filippo Di Turi
SS/2B with 299/415/377 (122 wRC+) over 200 PA at DSL, age 17. 15.0 BB% | 15.0 K% | 

Isaac Collins
LF/2B with 273/432/435 (138 wRC+) over 273 PA at AA/AAA, age 25. 20.9 BB% | 15.0 K% | 22/7 SB/CS

Freddy Zamora
SS/2B with 268/367/387 (106 wRC+) over 332 PA at AA, age 24. 12.3 BB% | 20.2 K% | 14/3 SB/CS 

Demetrio Nadal
3B/LF with 316/457/520 (158 wRC+) over 129 PA at DSL, age 18. 15.5 BB% | 10.9 K% | 27/6 SB/CS

Cam Devanney
SS/3B/2B with 257/351/473 (103 wRC+) over 285 PA at AAA, age 26. 11.6 BB% | 16.8 K% | 

Patrick Dorrian
3B/1B with 263/343/545 (113 wRC+) over 289 PA at AAA, age 27. 10.0 BB% | 27.0 K%

Ernesto Martinez
1B with 275/355/453 (128 wRC+) over 292 PA at A+/AA, age 24. 9.2 BB% | 19.5 K% | 13/5 SB/CS

Jose Sibrian
Catcher with 297/379/509 (149 wRC+) over 190 PA at A, age 24. 8.4 BB% | 15.8 K% | 46/25 SB/CS (35.2 CS%) on defense
(obviously age relative to league skews things major, especially on offense, but looks like the kind of guy that could hang around for a long time as a glove first backup)  

Satchell Norman
C/DH with 306/423/482 (129 wRC+) over 104 PA at ACL, age 20. 16.3 BB% | 24.0 K% | 

Pedro Ibarguen
DH/CF/2B with 304/444/402 (137 wRC+) over 144 PA at DSL, age 16. 16.0 BB% | 19.4 K%

Brian Sanchez
LF/RF with 301/419/462 (133 wRC+) over 117 PA at DSL, age 18. 16.2 BB% | 18.8 K% | 8/4 SB/CS

PITCHERS 

Patricio Aquino
RHP with 2.82 ERA (4.30 FIP) over 70.1 IP at A, age 20. 24.9 K% | 9.7 BB% | 0.77 HR/9 

Jesus Rivero
RHP with 3.21 ERA (3.51 FIP) over 33.2 IP at ACL/A, age 20. 36.2 K% | 13.0 BB% | 0.27 HR/9

Max Lazar
RHP with 3.03 ERA (3.00 FIP) over 59.1 IP at A+/AA, age 24. 25.3 K% | 6.9 BB% | 0.46 HR/9

Ryan Brady
RHP with 2.88 ERA (3.05 FIP) over 65.2 IP at A+/AA, age 24. 22.2 K% | 6.3 BB% | 0.27 HR/9

Shane Smith
RHP with 2.06 ERA (2.48 FIP) over 48.0 IP at A/A+, age 23. 37.1 K% | 8.6 BB% | 0.94 HR/9

Nate Peterson
LHP with 3.50 ERA (3.42 FIP) over 54.0 IP at A/A+, age 23. 28.0 K% | 9.9 BB% | 0.50 HR/9

Clayton Andrews
LHP with 2.51 ERA (3.62 FIP) over 43.0 IP at AAA, age 26. 31.9 K% | 13.7 BB% | 0.63 HR/9

Justin King
LHP with 3.04 ERA (2.36 FIP) over 26.2 IP at A+, age 25. 42.0 K% | 15.1 BB% | 0.34 HR/9

Enniel Cortez
RHP with 1.55 ERA (2.67 FIP) over 40.2 IP at DSL, age 17. 27.8 K% | 3.2 BB% | 0.22 HR/9

Melvin Hernandez
RHP with 2.18 ERA (3.69 FIP) over 33.0 IP at DSL, age 16. 20.4 K% | 6.6 BB% | 0.27 HR/9

Anthony Flores
LHP with 3.02 ERA (3.27 FIP) over 41.2 IP at DSL, age 18. 29.8 K% | 9.5 BB% | 0.22 HR/9

Eric Prado
RHP with 1.64 ERA (4.27 FIP) over 33.0 IP at DSL, age 17. 23.3 K% | 10.9 BB% | 0.55 HR/9

 

Among the A ball and lower guys, I would toss in Yerlin Rodriguez (big time  velocity and seems to be on an upward trajectory) and Luiyin Alastre (seems to rarely swing and miss and the ISO is at least passable if not great).

[Joseph Zarr]

8 minutes ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

Among the A ball and lower guys, I would toss in Yerlin Rodriguez (big time  velocity and seems to be on an upward trajectory) and Luiyin Alastre (seems to rarely swing and miss and the ISO is at least passable if not great).

Rodriguez has incredible stuff. Closer material. A notch above Rivero (in that department) who may profile as a Starter when it's all said and done. Alastre has flashed, for sure, but that's a complete DSL wild card. Fun depth. Who knows what we have there? 

In other words, entirely agreed on Rodriguez. He's been lights out for the most part as Carolina's designated Closer since the Smith & Shears promotions. Alastre has been on my radar for awhile but I'll wait to see what the ACL brings.

[Never Outhustled]

9 hours ago, ctmyers said:

Not to derail the conversation surrounding subjective rankings on a fan site, but looking at the top 30 internationals signings of 2019-2020, only one has made AA. Jasson Dominguez, who signed for 5.1 million, has an OPS of .743, career OPS of .781.  

So, logically speaking, every MLB team is "abysmal" when it comes to international signings. 

And when looking at the top-100 Pipeline prospects, no team has more international prospects on the list than the Brewers. So, maybe, they aren't so bad at this.  

Lol, so you can erase 50 years of ineptitude of producing major leaguers out of the Latin American market by placing some guys on a prospect list? 

I love those prospects, but there was a time we loved Lewis Brinson too.  You can't say the Brewers are good at this until these players actually thrive in the majors. 

The best Latin American player the Brewers have ever signed is Orlando Arcia, a player we deemed not good enough to keep a roster spot when he was still cheap. Valerio DeLoSantos is in our top 5. 

It's an abysmal history that I hope they erase soon. 

[LouisEly]

It was fairly abysmal.  But when you're signing 16-year-olds, it doesn't turn around overnight.  You have to first build relationships and trust in those countries.  You don't just walk into the Dominican Republic or Venezuela or wherever and start signing kids.  It's not that different from AAU coaches/handlers who try to steer kids towards the schools they want (who are likely paying them under the table - see: Atlanta Braves). 

Stearns took over eight years ago.  No time to do anything for the signing class of 2016, who are now on average only 23 years old.  Had to build the foundations in Latin America first which took a couple of years.  Then Uribe in 2018.  Quero in 2019.  Chourio in 2020.  I doubt that you'll find a team who found three better prospects in those three years.

[ctmyers]

2 hours ago, Never Outhustled said:

Lol, so you can erase 50 years of ineptitude of producing major leaguers out of the Latin American market by placing some guys on a prospect list? 

I love those prospects, but there was a time we loved Lewis Brinson too.  You can't say the Brewers are good at this until these players actually thrive in the majors. 

The best Latin American player the Brewers have ever signed is Orlando Arcia, a player we deemed not good enough to keep a roster spot when he was still cheap. Valerio DeLoSantos is in our top 5. 

It's an abysmal history that I hope they erase soon. 

The top international player the Brewers have signed is Teddy Higuera, arguably the best pitcher in franchise history.  

And Brinson was a draftee of the Rangers. Regardless of that, Brinson was loved so much *by a professional baseball team* he headlined a trade for Yelich. Not exactly a bad outcome for Milwaukee.  

No one is saying the past 50 years have been stellar, but it's nonsense to dismiss players who, according to every major prospect evaluator, look pretty darn good.  Something that happened 50 years ago is irrelevant. So is something that happened 10 years ago.  The Brewers have a completely different philosphy, front office and development staff. 

 

[CheeseheadInQC]

2 hours ago, Never Outhustled said:

Lol, so you can erase 50 years of ineptitude of producing major leaguers out of the Latin American market by placing some guys on a prospect list? 

I love those prospects, but there was a time we loved Lewis Brinson too.  You can't say the Brewers are good at this until these players actually thrive in the majors. 

The best Latin American player the Brewers have ever signed is Orlando Arcia, a player we deemed not good enough to keep a roster spot when he was still cheap. Valerio DeLoSantos is in our top 5. 

It's an abysmal history that I hope they erase soon. 

I'd make the case that it has already been erased to a degree.

First, outside of Arcia, the Brewers history since from the time they restarted the DSL program until about 2018 wasn't bad. It was mind-numbingly awful. The only hitters to have played played in this incarnation of the Brewers' DSL squad and posted above average offensive seasons in low-A ball prior to 2021 (Joantgel Segovia and Sthervin Matos) both did so in their fifth season in the organization. Outside of Arcia, I don't believe any got close to average at high-A. Even a guy like Areinamo, a back half of the top 30 player, probably would have, at this point in his career, been the clear No. 1 prospect from his signing class in each of those years except the Arcia one.

This points to a significant problem in one or, more likely, both of the following areas: scouting and the early development of Latin American players. 

Now, they have among the best performing 20-, 19- and 18-year old hitters in full-season ball, all international signings and all with scouting reports to back up the stats. They have clearly improved by leaps and bounds in both those areas.

I believe that Chourio and Quero have reached the point where they are no longer international prospects or DSL prospects and are now just prospects. The talent is clearly there, so the scouting worked, and they are top 100 prospects in double-A so clearly the initial development worked. If they fail now, it rests firmly on the shoulders of the Brewers' upper-level development staff, not the scouts and not the DSL staff. I no longer see any reason to be more skeptical of the Brewers' international prospects than any other team's, outside of maybe development juggernauts like the Dodgers and the Rays.

[SF70]

10 hours ago, Never Outhustled said:

Lol, so you can erase 50 years of ineptitude of producing major leaguers out of the Latin American market by placing some guys on a prospect list? 

I love those prospects, but there was a time we loved Lewis Brinson too.  You can't say the Brewers are good at this until these players actually thrive in the majors. 

The best Latin American player the Brewers have ever signed is Orlando Arcia, a player we deemed not good enough to keep a roster spot when he was still cheap. Valerio DeLoSantos is in our top 5. 

It's an abysmal history that I hope they erase soon. 

Strange hill to die on with Uribe dominating big-league hitters out of the MKE bullpen.

Chourio the second-ranked prospect in baseball and Quero one of the fastest-rising prospects in baseball.

Not to mention Lara-YRod-Baez, 3 more potential future top 100’s.

You’re 3 years too late with the narrative.

[CheeseheadInQC]

13 hours ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Rodriguez has incredible stuff. Closer material. A notch above Rivero (in that department) who may profile as a Starter when it's all said and done. Alastre has flashed, for sure, but that's a complete DSL wild card. Fun depth. Who knows what we have there? 

In other words, entirely agreed on Rodriguez. He's been lights out for the most part as Carolina's designated Closer since the Smith & Shears promotions. Alastre has been on my radar for awhile but I'll wait to see what the ACL brings.

Yah, Alastre is just my pick to be the next Areinamo/Baez ACL breakout.

[Joseph Zarr]

@sveumrules: This is precisely what I'm talking about with Shears (and, I would note in this clip they don't even share his wicked slurve/sweeper - I'd love to hear what he calls the pitch) and the catchers struggling to catch his movement. Watch the way the ball pops out of the mitt on several of these. The ball literally flies out when it is dead center glove. And, this happens a lot. They are often scored WP's when they aren't all that wild. They just move like crazy.