Lions @ Packers Game 4

[jason21nl]

7 minutes ago, homer said:

I know one thing you could do differently .. 

 

 

It damn near loos like he is considering making a change there 

[CheezWizHed]

2 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Yeah, the Broncos game in ~15 or so. A couple Bills games, the Panthers game. The Chargers game a couple years ago.

 

They absolutely did. The OL needs to be fixed and that should be the main priority this off-season, but I'm good with where they are as well. It's only possible they win 9-10 games because it's a very weak schedule, but I'd say they're roughly where Rodgers and GB was in 2008.

Bahk (healthy) - Jenkins - Myers - JRJr - Tom is a very different line than we had tonight.  We'd be complaining only about our internal running room.  But who knows if Bahk will ever be healthy again.

[HarveysWBs]

1 minute ago, adambr2 said:

You think Gute wants this guy employed? C'mon now...I don't think anyone likes being made to look incompetent...Barry makes Gute's defense first drafts look bad. 

I don’t know how far I want to take it, but there is a lot of outside speculation about the organizational structure and how it pertains to employment decisions.  Put a gun to my head, and I don’t know who is hiring/firing whom on this team these days.  But the Barry scheme isn’t a good look for anybody, I know that for sure.

[CheezWizHed]

1 minute ago, BrewerFan said:

Newman is more consistently below average, but Myers annoys me more because he's solid at times and at other times looks completely hapless. 

 

I'd like to see Myers at G.  I'd guess that he could be decent there. 

[adambr2]

1 minute ago, jason21nl said:

It damn near loos like he is considering making a change there 

Spoiler alert - he's not. 

[jason21nl]

Just now, adambr2 said:

Spoiler alert - he's not. 

You’re such a downer!  Haha.  

[CheezWizHed]

1 minute ago, adambr2 said:

Spoiler alert - he's not. 

I'd be shocked if he did that now.  But I'm shocked he kept him in the offseason, too.

[HarveysWBs]

1 minute ago, adambr2 said:

Spoiler alert - he's not. 

If not now, when?  I know the Packers don’t historically do these things mid-year, but do they really think they’re going somewhere?  And if the answer is we’re waiting until the offseason for Leonhard to finally walk down the aisle with us, I gotta say, I’m kind of over waiting for that romance to go anywhere.

[CheezWizHed]

I take solace in the fact that the Cardinals have 90 losses and we have 90 wins!

[BrewerFan]

Just now, CheezWizHed said:

I'd like to see Myers at G.  I'd guess that he could be decent there. 

Yes...and Tom would probably be an elite Center. And that was what I argued for...when I thought Bakh would play. 

So I what do you try? Rhyan or JRJ at Center? Rhyan is quicker. 

I guess you could try Jones at OT and Walker at OG. I think he'd be able to play well there(at least better). Jones with that frame can move guys and he'd at least make edge rushers take the long way to the QB.

But short of TB trading Wirfs(I'd give up 2 1sts for that and not blink)...I just don't think many answers are coming.

Walker needs to improve at LT

Jenkins healthy at LG

Myers try and not #$%$ it up at C

JRJ-solid at RG

Tom-He is really impressive and still needs about 10 more pounds of good weight. 

[BrewerFan]

2 minutes ago, HarveysWBs said:

If not now, when?  I know the Packers don’t historically do these things mid-year, but do they really think they’re going somewhere?  And if the answer is we’re waiting until the offseason for Leonhard to finally walk down the aisle with us, I gotta say, I’m kind of over waiting for that romance to go anywhere.

The day after Week 18?

Should be now. Promote Greg Williams. 

4 minutes ago, HarveysWBs said:

And if the answer is we’re waiting until the offseason for Leonhard to finally walk down the aisle with us, I gotta say, I’m kind of over waiting for that romance to go anywhere.

I mean...it was ONE offer and he considered it and then decided he wanted to stay at Madison. I'd think that'd be a desirable job for him. 

[CheezWizHed]

2 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Yes...and Tom would probably be an elite Center. And that was what I argued for...when I thought Bakh would play. 

So I what do you try? Rhyan or JRJ at Center? Rhyan is quicker. 

I guess you could try Jones at OT and Walker at OG. I think he'd be able to play well there(at least better). Jones with that frame can move guys and he'd at least make edge rushers take the long way to the QB.

But short of TB trading Wirfs(I'd give up 2 1sts for that and not blink)...I just don't think many answers are coming.

Walker needs to improve at LT

Jenkins healthy at LG

Myers try and not #$%$ it up at C

JRJ-solid at RG

Tom-He is really impressive and still needs about 10 more pounds of good weight. 

I probably would've gone with Bahk-Jenkins-Tom-Myers-Nijman in training camp.  But we probably won't find a new C until next year.

[BrewerFan]

22 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

I probably would've gone with Bahk-Jenkins-Tom-Myers-Nijman in training camp.  But we probably won't find a new C until next year.

No, I imagine not. And...from what the grades say, there's one and then a BIG drop off. 

I like the idea of signing a Safety(depending on how Stokes, Valentine play and what happens with Savage) and then most your top draft capital on moving up...maybe twice for a OT and a C.

Or, Connor Williams from Miami is a very good FA Center. Immediate plug and play, but he'll...be expensive to pry away from Miami.

*Edit-Miami IS about 40M over the cap...so being such a weak draft class after Van Pran, maybe that's the way to go. 

[adambr2]

6 hours ago, jason21nl said:

Unfortunately it killed any chance at a come back.  I do think he tried to jump up and didn’t mean to jump over the guy but you’re right, it was a bad penalty.  Just be happy you held them to a FG and get off the field.  

So the thing on that play is, it's 4th and 3. It's not like a 4th and 12 where a simple 5 yard penalty just gives them 4th down and closer. So there are a whole host of things that can go wrong on 4th and less than 5 by being aggressive -- jumping offsides, running into the kicker, etc...or what happened. Any of which are going to result in a first down and probably kill the game. 

As you say, it's really a good outcome on this play to allow the FG, and the odds of something good coming out of being aggressive are too remote and the payoff too low to outweigh the possible risks. 

Of course, I don't really expect Walker to be thinking all this in the moment, he's not thinking anything other than he wants to go hard and make a play for his team. 

But I do expect his coaching staff to remind the 11 guys out there of what the situation is and advise them to play it safe and take the 3. And so once again, it's on the coaching staff.

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

So the thing on that play is, it's 4th and 3. It's not like a 4th and 12 where a simple 5 yard penalty just gives them 4th down and closer. So there are a whole host of things that can go wrong on 4th and less than 5 by being aggressive -- jumping offsides, running into the kicker, etc...or what happened. Any of which are going to result in a first down and probably kill the game. 

As you say, it's really a good outcome on this play to allow the FG, and the odds of something good coming out of being aggressive are too remote and the payoff too low to outweigh the possible risks. 

Of course, I don't really expect Walker to be thinking all this in the moment, he's not thinking anything other than he wants to go hard and make a play for his team. 

But I do expect his coaching staff to remind the 11 guys out there of what the situation is and advise them to play it safe and take the 3. And so once again, it's on the coaching staff.

Walker has played in about 60 games between college and the pros, with countless practices. He knows he can’t be doing that, but Walker is quickly proving he’s a knucklehead incapable of playing smart football. Nixon is another one who hurt the team bringing kicks out of the end zone and barely making the 20 yard line.

[adambr2]

20 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Walker has played in about 60 games between college and the pros, with countless practices. He knows he can’t be doing that, but Walker is quickly proving he’s a knucklehead incapable of playing smart football. Nixon is another one who hurt the team bringing kicks out of the end zone and barely making the 20 yard line.

My hunch, as someone who has never played, is that it is something that is very easy to see and recognize from the outside looking in, or with the benefit of hindsight, but as a player in the moment, with the adrenaline going and the game moving fast, it likely becomes very easy to not be thinking about the score, the situation, etc, and just want to make a play.

Not that I am excusing Walker entirely, as this is not his first offense of making a bonehead move in the moment. But this is exactly one of the main things you have a coaching staff for -- to recognize the score, the moment and not only that, but to recognize that it may be one of the things your players are overlooking, remind them that the situation calls for them to back it down a notch, and give the offense the ball back. 

[MrTPlush]

I’m pretty sure the rule is similar, if not identical in college and it has been a thing in the NFL for over half a decade. I’m not sure if he was on field goal kicks in college…heck I don’t even know if he was in on a field goal kick before that play. Regardless…I think any fringe football fan knows you can’t do what he did.

Hopefully it was a fluke and Quay Walker isn’t going to feature more boneheaded plays this year…but it isn’t exactly inspiring for him to clinch the loss after doing some stupid stuff last year.

[HarryDoyle]

My God, Newman, you the most pathetic excuse of an NFL player I have ever seen.

https://x.com/AndyHermanNFL/status/1707642992385802491?s=20

[HarryDoyle]

 

 

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[HarveysWBs]

Newman is just the worst, and he’s been the worst for a while now.  I mean, I’m glad Hanson is gone, but, we still have his doppelgänger on the interior who can’t even be a speed bump.  That film should come with a content warning.

[HarryDoyle]

8 minutes ago, HarveysWBs said:

Newman is just the worst, and he’s been the worst for a while now.  I mean, I’m glad Hanson is gone, but, we still have his doppelgänger on the interior who can’t even be a speed bump.  That film should come with a content warning.

I could post more video but just look it up on X. There was another one where he did more blocking on an interception return than before Love threw the the pick.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Saw some stuff shown on film from early on in last night's game - a big part of the reason there didn't seem to be any quick developing routes for Love to get the ball out before the pass rush collapsed the pocket was the fact Love just wasn't pulling the trigger on several quick breaking slants where he had guys open.  That opening sack he had Doubs open in the slot and was looking right at him and didn't throw it.  There were several other instances where he had 1st reads open right away and held the ball - part of the development process, and there was definitely problems with play calling and terrible line play that got this team in such an early hole against a more talented opponent with all the injuries the Packers had out, but some of that blame has to be put on Love not throwing on time.

[BrewerFan]

6 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Saw some stuff shown on film from early on in last night's game - a big part of the reason there didn't seem to be any quick developing routes for Love to get the ball out before the pass rush collapsed the pocket was the fact Love just wasn't pulling the trigger on several quick breaking slants where he had guys open.  That opening sack he had Doubs open in the slot and was looking right at him and didn't throw it.  There were several other instances where he had 1st reads open right away and held the ball - part of the development process, and there was definitely problems with play calling and terrible line play that got this team in such an early hole against a more talented opponent with all the injuries the Packers had out, but some of that blame has to be put on Love not throwing on time.

I didn't see the film, I don't care to...but this really fits his MO thus far. He starts off slow. It feels like the "don't turn the ball over" has been just hammered into his head, he doesn't really let it rip early on...maybe?

He's far better later on, so why the issues early?

The big thing is he keeps his eyes up when he got beat up yesterday. That's huge and that's what Rodgers struggled with when his OL struggled the last several years. 

EVERY QB is going to struggle with that eventually. It's why I think a lot of young QBs struggle early on. Justin Herbert so far, but most of the time, you keep taking a beating, you start to watch the pass rush over the WRers.

I really hope this OL doesn't knock that out of Love.