Blake Snell 1 Year Pillow Contract

[Platoon Power]

The closer we get to the start of spring training, the more I'm starting to think that the Brewers might be a legitimate option if Snell can't get a long term contract.  

• The Brewers are $15M below their payroll from a year ago and can create another $19.5M by trading Willy Adames + Devin Williams (34.5M Total)
• Gary Sanchez was his personal catcher from a year ago who he excelled with.  
• We have Tyler Black who could start at 3B giving us a ML ready replacement for Adames once he's traded.
• Whatever return you get for Adames and Williams would need to help cover any other holes the team has coming into the season.  We would be pretty much maxed our salary wise by adding Snell. 
• The defense behind him would be some of the best he's ever played with, even with Hoskins and Black starting at 1st and 3rd.  

We could offer something close to a 1 year $35M contract with a mutual option.  

[jay87shot]

We could but I would think someone (bigger market) could do like 3/100 with player opt outs and that would probably top our offer. On top of that trading Williams and Adames to get Snell would kind of negate each other like the Hoskins/Burnes moves. The idea is solid but I doubt it, maybe we'd be more likely to get Matt Chapman on a shorter higher value deal if we trade Adames (with others)

Maybe instead of trading Williams to save the money we trade the early offseason additions that seem to be buried by recent deals (Bauer, Ross, Clarke, Haase, Rae). That would save us the money but not weaken the overall team (even though our pen is likely solid enough to cover trading Devin).

[Platoon Power]

You could possibily get something like this in return for Adames and Williams to go along with this idea

Brewers send Devin Williams (22.4 Total Value) to the Yankees for IF Oswald Peraza (14.7) & Will Warren (9.7) 24.2 total value

 

Brewers send Willy Adames (11.1 total value) to the Giants for RHP Mason Black (5.2) and  LHPJoe Whitman (5.7) 10.9 total value.

 

Peraza doesn't have a path to playing time in New York and would give us another guy to compete with Black and Turang for PT.  Both Warren and Black pitched in AAA a year ago so they could help this year.  Whitman balances the trade and give us another young LH pitcher to develop.  

 

 

[jay87shot]

11 minutes ago, Platoon Power said:

You could possibily get something like this in return for Adames and Williams to go along with this idea

Brewers send Devin Williams (22.4 Total Value) to the Yankees for IF Oswald Peraza (14.7) & Will Warren (9.7) 24.2 total value

 

Brewers send Willy Adames (11.1 total value) to the Giants for RHP Mason Black (5.2) and  LHPJoe Whitman (5.7) 10.9 total value.

 

Peraza doesn't have a path to playing time in New York and would give us another guy to compete with Black and Turang for PT.  Both Warren and Black pitched in AAA a year ago so they could help this year.  Whitman balances the trade and give us another young LH pitcher to develop.  

 

 

I would be irate if we only got Peraza and Warren for Devin, the Adames trade seems good. Peraza was a solid prospect but after 2 iffy years I think he is more of a 3rd piece maybe 2nd piece if the headliner is top notch, Warren is a good 2nd piece. 

[Platoon Power]

3 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

I would be irate if we only got Peraza and Warren for Devin, the Adames trade seems good. Peraza was a solid prospect but after 2 iffy years I think he is more of a 3rd piece maybe 2nd piece if the headliner is top notch, Warren is a good 2nd piece. 

Ideally, I would pull the Marlins into the deal, who need a cheap controllable option at SS.  Maybe we could turn it into a 3 team deal, where we send one of Peraza / Turang to the Marlins for someone like Max Meyer?

[Guest]

Love the idea of adding Snell ~ Boras def seems to be struggling to secure a long term deal... would they do a one year deal with the hopes of landing a long term deal next year?

[Platoon Power]

I have to believe Snell's peripherals are making teams very nervous about giving him a long term deal, I doubt that changes in a few days.

[BrewerFan]

4 hours ago, jay87shot said:

We could but I would think someone (bigger market) could do like 3/100 with player opt outs and that would probably top our offer. On top of that trading Williams and Adames to get Snell would kind of negate each other like the Hoskins/Burnes moves. The idea is solid but I doubt it, maybe we'd be more likely to get Matt Chapman on a shorter higher value deal if we trade Adames (with others)

Maybe instead of trading Williams to save the money we trade the early offseason additions that seem to be buried by recent deals (Bauer, Ross, Clarke, Haase, Rae). That would save us the money but not weaken the overall team (even though our pen is likely solid enough to cover trading Devin).

I don't think this will happen. I don't see a reigning Cy Young with Snell's stuff taking a 1 year 35M deal. I would guess he remains unsigned because he was looking for that and then some over 6-7 years and he'll settle in on a deal with a little less guaranteed money and some incentives. So maybe 6 years for 210 with a 7th year vesting option. WAY beyond what we can or would offer.

BUT, if it happened, I don't think it'd just negate itself by trading Williams and Adames. I think that may have been the case with Burnes, but if taken together, the Williams loss becomes far less consequential as you have a deep pen full of power arms...led of course by Uribe, a future closer. And Adames, he's still obviously the best SS, but you've got two guys in-house who can play exceptional defense. You have no idea what you're getting back for Williams and Adames(and I agree, I do not like the Yankees trade). But I also expect Turang to be a better hitter this year. He was so defensive at the end of last year. As if his only goal was to put the ball into play.

I love the idea, I just don't see it being realistic. If you're going to offer a 1-year deal for Snell, I think in this pitching market, you're starting at 40M. So that could be a 2-year deal with a 35 paid in the first year and a 5M buyout for the 2nd. 

[TURBO]

I hate to be this guy, but if he wants to settle for a one year deal, someone out there will offer him more than we would.  It's just the way it is.  If we were to go 35 million, one of the rich teams would go 40.  It's a no win situation when it comes to who will fork out the most money for a TOR player like Snell.

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, TURBO said:

I hate to be this guy, but if he wants to settle for a one year deal, someone out there will offer him more than we would.  It's just the way it is.  If we were to go 35 million, one of the rich teams would go 40.  It's a no win situation when it comes to who will fork out the most money for a TOR player like Snell.

I don't think you're being any guy...you're just kinda stating a fact. Others WILL offer him more. 

[Scooterfletcher]

If we did Williams and Adames for Sheehan and wroblewski for instance, I’d be all over Snell for a 8x200 or a 1x25 or 2x50 deal.

[Lloyd330]

Doesn't Boras and Mark A have a decent relationship?

[Scooterfletcher]

 

1 hour ago, Lloyd330 said:

Doesn't Boras and Mark A have a decent relationship?

Yep.   And I wouldn’t mind giving Snell whatever number MA would in theory have offered Burnes if the relationship were better / we kept him til free agency 

[Guest]

On 2/8/2024 at 5:08 PM, Platoon Power said:

I have to believe Snell's peripherals are making teams very nervous about giving him a long term deal, I doubt that changes in a few days.

Still hard to see them dropping down to a one year deal when Snell is coming off his 2nd Cy Young award - he may not get the 9 year/$270 million deal he was supposedly looking for... but gotta think some teams would at least go in the 5-6 year range at $150-$180 for a pitcher with 2 CY awards under his belt.

[Platoon Power]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/what-if-blake-snell-asked-for-all-his-money-now/

Fangraphs says the bidding would start at 1 year $40M if Snell was willing to take a 1 year deal.  Could Mark stretch the payroll another $5M or so after trading Williams and Adames to make it happen?

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, Platoon Power said:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/what-if-blake-snell-asked-for-all-his-money-now/

Fangraphs says the bidding would start at 1 year $40M if Snell was willing to take a 1 year deal.  Could Mark stretch the payroll another $5M or so after trading Williams and Adames to make it happen?

Sure...but now you're Milwaukee(and I love the city, but it's Milwaukee) and you're offering the SAME as teams like the Dodgers or Yankees or whomever it may be...you're gonna have to outbid teams(most likely).

I love the area because I grew up here. I'm SURE people love Cincy or the Twins Cities(they are beautiful). But...if someone offered you money to the point where the cost of living wasn't really a huge factor, where are you picking? Sometimes players surprise, but it's often players who've spent a couple years in Milwaukee or Green Bay and come to love it.

[wallus]

If MA was willing to spend 40 million on Snell, I could think of much better uses of that money.

[jerichoholicninja]

Pitchers report this week. I suppose something could come together soon and he could be in camp day 1 but don't pitchers who sign after spring training has started generally struggle or get hurt? He's already very inconsistent and not a guy who goes deep in games. Add in a potential late start and giving this guy $30+ million even for one season doesn't seem like such a great idea.

[cheapseats12]

Trading Adames and Williams just to sign Snell would be counterproductive and make zero sense. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

9 hours ago, cheapseats12 said:

Trading Adames and Williams just to sign Snell would be counterproductive and make zero sense. 

Welcome to the site! Yes, that would be a hard pill to swallow just in general. And who here wouldn't have preferred a Burnes extension over Snell?

[brewerfan82]

11 hours ago, cheapseats12 said:

Trading Adames and Williams just to sign Snell would be counterproductive and make zero sense. 

Not necessarily. You're not just losing Adames and Williams and only gaining Snell, you're also getting back supposedly young, controllable talent for Adames and Williams as well. According to the BTV site, Adames (11.1) and Williams (22.4) have roughly the same value as Burnes (33.3). If you were to get another equivalent of Hall, Ortiz, and a comp pick for those two, you'd have two replacements for both players right away to mitigate some of the drop off, plus 9 more years of control between the two of them, and another draft pick. If that also frees up enough money to add someone like Snell, you are quite arguably better off both this year and in the future.

That said, that's a lot of moving pieces that need to fall into place (especially the part where Snell's price drops into our price range at a number of years that makes sense), so I'd be surprised if it played out that way.

[jjgott]

5 hours ago, brewerfan82 said:

Not necessarily. You're not just losing Adames and Williams and only gaining Snell, you're also getting back supposedly young, controllable talent for Adames and Williams as well. According to the BTV site, Adames (11.1) and Williams (22.4) have roughly the same value as Burnes (33.3). If you were to get another equivalent of Hall, Ortiz, and a comp pick for those two, you'd have two replacements for both players right away to mitigate some of the drop off, plus 9 more years of control between the two of them, and another draft pick. If that also frees up enough money to add someone like Snell, you are quite arguably better off both this year and in the future.

That said, that's a lot of moving pieces that need to fall into place (especially the part where Snell's price drops into our price range at a number of years that makes sense), so I'd be surprised if it played out that way.

Signing Snell would be for a potential postseason run. Do we really want to rely on so many young players against the likes of the Dodgers or Braves? Having Adames and Williams would give at least some level of experience at key positions. 

[Scooterfletcher]

22 hours ago, cheapseats12 said:

Trading Adames and Williams just to sign Snell would be counterproductive and make zero sense. 

Hypothetically, we get Cabrera from marlins for wormer and Adames and Sheehan in a Devin Williams deal.   Not a rebuild.

[TURBO]

12 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Hypothetically, we get Cabrera from marlins for Wiemer and Adames and Sheehan in a Devin Williams deal.   Not a rebuild.

If only...

[Scooterfletcher]

Just saying it’s bigger than a remote possibility trades like this happen.