Random 2024 Transaction Ideas Not Worth Individual Threads

[jay87shot]

4 hours ago, endaround said:

Domingo German has opted out from Pittsburgh.  He's not great but was close to league average last year and would fill in as a decent gap starter.

Id rather give Chad Patrick a shot or maybe DL a couple piggyback starts with Wilson.

[Playing Catch]

16 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

I get that Kopech “used to be somebody” but the guy he is now has an ERA over 5 through 41 innings. He allows 1.8 HR/9 and walks 5 batters per 9 innings. He’s basically the worst pitcher on the worst team in baseball why would the Brewers want him. 

I totally agree with this. I do not understand why some posters are so enamored with him. He had nearly negative 1 WAR last season, and if he wasn't just throwing BP innings, he'd be pushing that number again this season.

[RWeeksFan23]

Weird that Kopech's numbers are so lousy this season, I remember when we were playing the white sox earlier this season, Kopech had a filthy fastball/breaking ball combo going.

[Lloyd330]

Advance numbers aren't as terrible. You put him in the 7th inning role 

 

[Playing Catch]

2 hours ago, Lloyd330 said:

Advance numbers aren't as terrible. You put him in the 7th inning role 

 

I respectfully disagree. Certainly he's getting a lot of guys out by strikeout, but he's walking a TON of guys, and giving up barreled balls really, really often.

p.s. for the stat-nerds --- is the percentile rank simply based on a ranking of players? Or is it controlled for statistically?  What I mean is while Kopech is in the 88th %ile for Whiff %, does that mean he's in the 88th percentile of pitchers, or the 88th %ile of Whiff %? As in, beyond one standard deviation from an average Whiff %?

(Forgive me for my lack of education. I never took a statistics class, and I think I'm missing out on things, probably asking a stupid question).

[jay87shot]

I go back and forth with Kopech. On one hand he throws 100 and I think our staff could change him like Megill. On the other hand his value would be most on his 2025 control and he makes 3 million this year, maybe 4-5 next year which makes it iffy to pick up that option.

[bigred]

19 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

I totally agree with this. I do not understand why some posters are so enamored with him. He had nearly negative 1 WAR last season, and if he wasn't just throwing BP innings, he'd be pushing that number again this season.

Most are enamored, simply because he throws really hard. 

[jay87shot]

Does anyone have any good candidates that we could acquire that would be relievers this year but could transition from reliever to starter next year. Reynaldo Lopez, Seth Lugo, Garrett Crochet, and Jordan Hicks have all been very good and the only bigger name reliever that hasn't worked (that I can think of) was AJ Puk.

I think Tyler Holton and Jason Foley from Detriot could be possibilities. Holton doesn't throw hard but has an effective mix and really good command. Foley doesn't have any starting experience but the stuff is there, he would need to use his changeup more than 2%. The Mariners have a couple arms like Stanek and Brash that I could see being good starters but Brash is hurt and Stanek doesn't have control.

On top of that there are probably a few starters who could be decent relievers that would be interesting Griffin Canning has a tremendous changeup, could be interesting if using stuff like Devin Williams. It may be crazy but Patrick Corbin as a reliever might work if he cuts his fastball use way way down (probably an awkward trade and transition). Edward Cabrera should probably swap to relief as well.

[brewmann04]

I am not trading for any Relievers that not a need besides can’t remember a trade deadline trade that worked out for us. But the Crew more important needs a Starter  first most and possible a Hiitsr 

[Scooterfletcher]

11 hours ago, jay87shot said:

Does anyone have any good candidates that we could acquire that would be relievers this year but could transition from reliever to starter next year. Reynaldo Lopez, Seth Lugo, Garrett Crochet, and Jordan Hicks have all been very good and the only bigger name reliever that hasn't worked (that I can think of) was AJ Puk.

I think Tyler Holton and Jason Foley from Detriot could be possibilities. Holton doesn't throw hard but has an effective mix and really good command. Foley doesn't have any starting experience but the stuff is there, he would need to use his changeup more than 2%. The Mariners have a couple arms like Stanek and Brash that I could see being good starters but Brash is hurt and Stanek doesn't have control.

On top of that there are probably a few starters who could be decent relievers that would be interesting Griffin Canning has a tremendous changeup, could be interesting if using stuff like Devin Williams. It may be crazy but Patrick Corbin as a reliever might work if he cuts his fastball use way way down (probably an awkward trade and transition). Edward Cabrera should probably swap to relief as well.

I think we have an abundance so won’t seek any.   Junis project is still tbd of these sorts …

[jay87shot]

What are thoughts about trading Devin Williams if there is a big offer on the table? Hunter Harvey got a near top 100 prospect and a comp a pick that turned into Caleb Lomavita. Devin is worth a lot more than Harvey if healthy and the O's. Phillies, and Yankees among others could use a top closer.

My thought is that our pen could really use some help but if I was the front office I might not be able to turn down a 4 piece big offer. I am talking a big offer here like bigger than what we got for Corbin. 

Say the Phillies offer Starlyn Caba/Eduardo Tait, Wen Hui Pan,  Grorge Klassen, and Gregory Soto

We could always use a prospect to go get another reliever from another team.

[wallus]

Trade Milner to the Royals for a draft pick.

[brewmann04]

I think a reliever will be moving you can see it coming 

[brewcrewdue80]

Um. So there's Jesse Winker having an over 800 OPS currently with .380 OB. Does that work as a platoon bat from Hoskins? Gotta be a low asking price. Seems like the kind of move FO would make.

[Lloyd330]

AJ Puk anyone? Since the start of June, has looked pretty good

And overall advance numbers aren't bad

[nate82]

Just now, Lloyd330 said:

AJ Puk anyone? Since the start of June, has looked pretty good

And overall advance numbers aren't bad

I would love to get Puk.  The Marlins tried him as a starter again and it failed horribly.  He will probably be the best available reliever on the market and will take more than some think to get him away from the Marlins.  You basically have to ignore his first half stats as a starter.  Would probably take someone like Black and another piece to get him from the Marlins.

[Lloyd330]

7 minutes ago, nate82 said:

I would love to get Puk.  The Marlins tried him as a starter again and it failed horribly.  He will probably be the best available reliever on the market and will take more than some think to get him away from the Marlins.  You basically have to ignore his first half stats as a starter.  Would probably take someone like Black and another piece to get him from the Marlins.

I highly doubt a AJ Puk cost a top 40 overall prospect.

[Madhawk23]

3 hours ago, Lloyd330 said:

I highly doubt a AJ Puk cost a top 40 overall prospect.

Agreed.  If that's what it would take to get AJ Puk, a hard pass from me.  

[Scooterfletcher]

12 minutes ago, Madhawk23 said:

Agreed.  If that's what it would take to get AJ Puk, a hard pass from me.  

It won’t take Black for Puk straight up for sure..   That said, Puk and a starter like Trevor Rogers might be close to Black worthy (if he was healthy I’d prefer Cabrera and Puk for Blaxk).   Both Puk and Rogers are controlled the next two years  as well.
 

 

[Madhawk23]

6 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

It won’t take Black for Puk straight up for sure..   That said, Puk and a starter like Trevor Rogers might be close to Black worthy (if he was healthy I’d prefer Cabrera and Puk for Blaxk).   Both Puk and Rogers are controlled the next two years  as well.
 

 

Yeah, you'd definitely need to add in a starter like Rogers in this deal if you are going to lure Black away from us.  With that said though - I'm not sure what to make of Rogers?  The guy was great his rookie season, but has put up very pedestrian numbers since that year.  I think our FO would have to feel pretty damn confident that they could "fix" him if we're going to give up a Top 50 prospect like Black - where he would be the big piece coming our way.  

[Scooterfletcher]

Agreed.   Though Black may be closer to a top 100 prospect now anyway.   That return would be good I think.

[Jopal78]

20 hours ago, nate82 said:

I would love to get Puk.  The Marlins tried him as a starter again and it failed horribly.  He will probably be the best available reliever on the market and will take more than some think to get him away from the Marlins.  You basically have to ignore his first half stats as a starter.  Would probably take someone like Black and another piece to get him from the Marlins.

Problem is, the Marlins don’t really have a reason to move him. He’s and affordable, late inning reliever and has two additional seasons of team control remaining. 
 

Without a reason to trade Puk, the cost in terms of assets to get him would likely be more than Milwaukee is willing to spend. 

[brewcrewdue80]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:55 PM, Scooterfletcher said:

It won’t take Black for Puk straight up for sure..   That said, Puk and a starter like Trevor Rogers might be close to Black worthy (if he was healthy I’d prefer Cabrera and Puk for Blaxk).   Both Puk and Rogers are controlled the next two years  as well.
 

 

Black doesn't fit Miami's organization target. They don't want him, Frelick, Wiemer,Mitchell. That's not their culture.  They would likely take quite a few of the international signees down in the organization.  Not sure a pitcher exists though on that end.

[jay87shot]

On 7/22/2024 at 10:50 AM, Lloyd330 said:

I highly doubt a AJ Puk cost a top 40 overall prospect.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/07/marlins-trade-rumors-a-j-puk.html

As of this articiclr 2.39 era with 26%k and 5%bb. 12 2/3 scoreless streak as a reliever. 96+ mph as a 6'7" with over 7 feet extension. On top of that 2+ years of cheap control. He has been a decent reliever the past 2 years and he hasn't really been overwork. A smart team will give up a top 30 prospect maybe even two.  Think about what we have done with Hudson and Koenig, Puk has better stuff than either.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

10 hours ago, jay87shot said:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/07/marlins-trade-rumors-a-j-puk.html

As of this articiclr 2.39 era with 26%k and 5%bb. 12 2/3 scoreless streak as a reliever. 96+ mph as a 6'7" with over 7 feet extension. On top of that 2+ years of cheap control. He has been a decent reliever the past 2 years and he hasn't really been overwork. A smart team will give up a top 30 prospect maybe even two.  Think about what we have done with Hudson and Koenig, Puk has better stuff than either.

I think they are thinking about what they've done with Hudson and Koenig, which is why they wouldn't give up a huge asset for Puk. Hudson and Koenig were basically free. This team has proven the can work magic with pitching ... especially relief pitching off the scrap heap. They aren't going to trade a high-end prospect for one.