2024 bucks offseason thread

[patrickgpe]

I don’t think the bucks can do much in free agency with their cap situation 

With picks 23 and 33, they need to get some help off of their bench 

What I’d like is Zach Edey at 23 and Ryan Dunn at 33. Both would definitely help the bucks defensively. 

[CheezWizHed]

I can't see Zach Edey being much of an NBA player. He just isn't all that coordinated or athletic.  

[LouisEly]

Would love Boo Buie at #33.

[HarryDoyle]

Looks like Bud will be the next head coach in Phoenix.

[patrickgpe]

13 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

I can't see Zach Edey being much of an NBA player. He just isn't all that coordinated or athletic.  

I get that, but how athletic is the freaking MVP of the league? 

[nate82]

I don't think Edey will be a good NBA player.  He is another good in college but not really all that good in the NBA. 

With the Bucks first pick I really want DaRon Holmes II.  If the Bucks keep Lopez for another year they need to take Holmes with their first round pick.  Holmes should be able to replace Lopez and he is an excellent shot blocker along with being able to score from 3-pt range.  He may not be as good as Lopez is but he is close.  He is also far more athletic than Lopez is.  I wouldn't be surprised if Holmes would take some playing time away from Lopez as the season goes on. 

[patrickgpe]

@nate82 the ringer has Holmes projected to the bucks. I agree he is an exciting prospect 

[CheezWizHed]

3 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

I get that, but how athletic is the freaking MVP of the league? 

More than Edey and far more coordinated.  I don't think Edey could play above the FT line at all for defense and he would clog the lane on offense. 30 years ago, he'd probably be the top pick overall... not anymore.  He reminds me of Cockburn a couple of years ago.

[BrewerFan]

17 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

More than Edey and far more coordinated.  I don't think Edey could play above the FT line at all for defense and he would clog the lane on offense. 30 years ago, he'd probably be the top pick overall... not anymore.  He reminds me of Cockburn a couple of years ago.

Yeah, Edey isn't all that skilled and Jokic is more athletic than given talent for. 

Tyler Smith is a guy I've seen to the Bucks a lot. He looks interesting.

They can't just forgo taking any shots at finding a star because they're looking for an immediate impact. So from what I've heard of Smith, he would work. Holmes would be interesting. Yves Missi from Baylor has been mocked to the Bucks.

 

I wonder if the Bucks did get one of those guys and then Oso is available in the 2nd? Do you take him? Lets say, hypothetically, both Marquette players are on the board. Do we want the PG who can distribute and I think stand in there and play competent D, or the athletic big who's got a limited offensive game, but is pretty versatile?

 

Or...who cares because there WILL be some backup vet who is playing substantially worse next post-season and the young player will get the AJJ, Jevon Carter treatment anyway?

 

This off-season needs to really break right for the Bucks...followed by next season, the playoffs, etc...the window's not closed. Grandpa's sneaking a smoke in the back and it's open juuust a crack yet. Hopefully we can pry it open the rest of the way. 

[jay87shot]

We need to get younger. Here is an extreme scenerio.

1) Trade Lillard and Beauchamp to Pelicans we get DeAndre Hunter, Dejontey Murray, Dyson Daniel's, Hawks get Brandon Ingram, Jordan Hawkins, #21 from Pels and #23 from us. 

2)Trade Middleton and Daniels (above trade) to Lakers we get DeAndre Ayton, #56 from lakers Blazers get Austin Reaves, Rui Hachimura, Jalen Hood Schaufino

3) Lopez to Sun's, Connaugton to Wizards, we get Jordan Poole, Johnny Davis, David Roddy. #59 from sun's, wizards get Nurkic, Connaugton, and Nasir Little.

Draft, PJ Hall#33, 56 Daron Holmes #59 Draft and stash

Mid level=DeAnthony Melton

1) Murray 2)Poole 3)Hunter 4)Giannis 5) Ayton Bench Bobby, Melton, AJax, Green, Roddy, Hall, Davis

I don't know where the money comes out but it would be nice to get another wing but lots of young upside to play faster along Giannis.

I get those are mostly crazy but interesting.

[patrickgpe]

Draft is next week, I don’t really have any interest in drafting a project, the bucks need to get younger, and get some guys that can help day 1 off of the bench. At 23 I’d look at Edey, Holmes, Missi, or Kolek. At 33 I love Dunn or Scheierman. With the lack of picks this decade, this is a very important draft for the bucks 

[CheezWizHed]

So what are the odds that Lillard or Middleton are traded this year? Maybe another year with Giannis will help Lillard fit in better, but he certainly looked out of sorts last year. 

[sveumrules]

3 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

So what are the odds that Lillard or Middleton are traded this year? Maybe another year with Giannis will help Lillard fit in better, but he certainly looked out of sorts last year. 

I would guess close to zero. All indications I've seen are that Dame is excited to get to work with a full offseason of prep.

Khris is still a playoff killer and Giannis's #1 so I don't think he is going anywhere.

Just need to get all three to the playoffs healthy. Last year in 758 minutes on the floor together they were +17.0 points per 100 possessions.

[CheezWizHed]

I tend to doubt any of the big 3 are moved... but it is the offseason.  Got to talk about something. 

I just never saw Dame and Giannis as overly comfortable with each other.  Granted it takes time to play together also and they barely had anything - preseason or in-season to really work on it. Throw in the coaching carousel that started with Stotts in and out... and there was little continuity for how to work together either.

 

[sveumrules]

2 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

I tend to doubt any of the big 3 are moved... but it is the offseason.  Got to talk about something. 

As of now the roster looks like...

Lillard | Jackson Jr.
AJ Green | Patty C
Khris | Marjon
Giannis | Livingston
Brook | Bobby

Think they'll try to bring Pat Bev back and obviously Thanasis is on the lifetime 15th Man contract.

If they use both their draft picks (I'd target a point guard and athletic big) that would bring it up to 14 players.

Not sure what exactly all the new CBA provisions are, but pretty sure the Bucks will be limited to filling out the roster with Vet Minimums beyond that. 

As far as trades, I don't think any of the young guys have any real value beyond a throw in, Patty C doesn't have any real value beyond matching salaries, but both Brook and Bobby could be appealing to the right teams.

[LouisEly]

I think a case could be made that a healthy Bucks team was the 2nd best team in the NBA last season.

Problem is that they weren't healthy.  And the best team was a juggernaut.

[BrewerFan]

9 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

So what are the odds that Lillard or Middleton are traded this year? Maybe another year with Giannis will help Lillard fit in better, but he certainly looked out of sorts last year. 

I think they're slim and none. The Bucks can't combine salaries...and Middleton looked great last year...in the playoffs, but also injured before that, so I don't think the value is there where it makes sense.

Dame has openly talked about being in bad shape because of the potential for a trade, not wanting to get hurt.

 

I don't think we'll win another title, but I think our best chance is to just stick with this core, let them play together a bit more, give AJJ a lot more PT, hopefully, find a contributor, and maybe pick up a guy like Jevon Carter(not him, someone like him) who can defend the ball handler...and you just hope you're healthy. 

The 2nd apron and the talent Giannis, Dame, Khris, and even Lopez when he's used a bit more efficiently offensively... I think the best bet is just hoping it comes together one more time. 

That's just my opinion. I don't see a team trading a Brandon Ingram type player for Murray or Dame.

 

 

[patrickgpe]

Thinking about this further If they could get Holmes, Missi, or Edey at 23. And Scheierman at 33 that would be nice. They need to figure out a Center for after Brook and Scheierman gives them another shooter off of the bench. I like Dunn at 33 but he is basically another AJJ

[HarryDoyle]

Can we get Holiday back? What a huge mistake to let him get to Boston.

[Matt Breen]

Draft is coming up. I don't know guys well enough to have any sort of insight as to who we are going to take - and that assumes we don't trade either pick. But guessing is fun.

If any of Kel'el Ware, Carlton Carrington or Tristan da Silva drop - they Bucks will scoop them up. But none are likely to be there - but you never know.

Otherwise, Tyler Kolek is a more realistic possibility. Fits a real need at point guard and is a further more along in his development as a player. But limited upside on him. 

If Zach Edey is there - well it all depends if the team thinks he would fit in their scheme. Can't teach 7'4". If the club can see how he fits in with this team, he could be an impact from the start. 

In the end, I'm betting we end up with Baylor Scheierman. Dude can shoot - that's enough for this team. He should fit into a role right from the get go.

Again, just a guess. 

My outside the box thought is for Serbian PG Nikola Topic. He won't drop to us, so we'd have to move up somehow (I'm not sure what our #23 and #33 picks could move us up). I doubt Marjon has much value, but perhaps he could help us get there. Topic tore his ACL earlier this year - so not sure how much that will affect him.

 

[CheezWizHed]

Brew Hoop did a comprehensive article (though headache inducing due to the cap complexities) about the Buck's cap situation and things they have to do to remain under the second apron so they can actually make impactful changes to the roster. 

Two points I thought were pretty spot on:

1) One easy way to shed salary is to trade their 1st round pick. It could be packaged with Brooks or Bobby to bring back an impact player or with Pat to salary dump.  

2) We have a pretty significant group of young players and adding 2 more low picks probably isn't the most beneficial.  It looks like AJJ and AJG will be rotation players next year, so they probably won't move.  Beauchamp and Livingston look less likely to contribute while Beauchamp is probably the only one with tradeable value. 

So I'm guessing that since our 1st round pick is one of our best tradeable assets (and adds more $$ to the cap), I tend to think that we will only add one second round pick this year and probably move the 1st round pick. 

[Matt Breen]

Yeah, it sounds like the Bucks need to shed a bit of salary. Not a ton - but some. 

I'm wondering if Pat C could be dealt somehow. I think we could replace him with a minimum guy. But we'd have to attach something to him to make a team want him. And that team would have to have some cap space. Not easy.

[LouisEly]

9 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

1) One easy way to shed salary is to trade their 1st round pick.

Problem is that this is a weak draft.  I'd support it if they could do it, but the value of that 1st round pick isn't as much as it typically is.

If they can't, and they came out of it with Scheierman or Tyler Kolek or DaRon Holmes at #23 and Boo Buie or Cam Christie or Pacome Dadiet at #33 I'd be happy.

I know that Boo Buie wasn't invited to the combine and isn't on anybody's mock, but I think he can be a really solid player in the league.  Made 43% of his 3's, 5 assists and 1.4 steals to 2.2 TOV last year.  And the more I look into DaRon Holmes, the more I like him.  6'10", 236, started picking up a 3-point shot last year and made 32 of 83 (39%). 

[nate82]

LOL Lakers hiring Redick.  Obvious LeBron approved hire.

[CheezWizHed]

5 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Problem is that this is a weak draft.  I'd support it if they could do it, but the value of that 1st round pick isn't as much as it typically is.

Well, trading it away is easy... getting actual value might be hard. Not having actual value (while carrying the same price tag) probably adds to the likelihood of it being traded.