2024 bucks offseason thread

[patrickgpe]

On 6/20/2024 at 7:55 AM, CheezWizHed said:

 

1) One easy way to shed salary is to trade their 1st round pick. It could be packaged with Brooks or Bobby to bring back an impact player or with Pat to salary dump.  

 

NBA teams are allowed to sign their first round pick to rookie scale contracts even if they exceed the cap. The bucks need to get younger, I don't think this is a great idea. Now if they can trade one of the 3 players and picks you mentioned and 23 or even and 33 and get a youngish player that can start, OK then. 

[BrewerFan]

18 hours ago, nate82 said:

LOL Lakers hiring Redick.  Obvious LeBron approved hire.

I love Reddick...I think the way he talks Basketball or just sports on those stupid shows where you just scream out your point...is brilliant(not a big fan of the disrespect he showed the old timers with the "playing against plumbers line)...anyway... when has this worked? Just hiring a guy who retired a few years ago as the HC?

Maybe the Turkish Coach who is the best coach in Europe(per Giannis who...may have lost credibility with his coaching endorsements, but I don't know enough to argue in this case)...or just make LeBron the player-coach. Hell, make him the player/coach/GM. 

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

NBA teams are allowed to sign their first round pick to rookie scale contracts even if they exceed the cap. The bucks need to get younger, I don't think this is a great idea. Now if they can trade one of the 3 players and picks you mentioned and 23 or even and 33 and get a youngish player that can start, OK then. 

I think he's just saying trade it to get under that 2nd apron. 

I don't want to speak for Cheese...but I think he knows you can exceed the cap to sign a pick or many FAs with Bird rights and most of that stuff. 

 

I'd agree, I'd also like to see them try and get young and hit on a player. I think that's really their best chance. There are guys who are overlooked. But, we'll see. 

[Matt Breen]

Bucks are reportedly gauging interest in Brook Lopez.

League personnel told Yahoo Sports the  Bucks  are open to reshaping their roster, and they are gauging the trade value for  Brook Lopez .  Houston , sources said, cautioned Lopez that re-signing with  Milwaukee  could very well lead to him eventually being traded when the  Rockets  pursued Lopez in free agency a year ago. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/with-bulls-roster-shakeup-underway-is-zach-lavine-the-next-piece-on-the-move-150136313.html

[sveumrules]

26 minutes ago, reillymcshane said:

Bucks are reportedly gauging interest in Brook Lopez.

League personnel told Yahoo Sports the  Bucks  are open to reshaping their roster, and they are gauging the trade value for  Brook Lopez .  Houston , sources said, cautioned Lopez that re-signing with  Milwaukee  could very well lead to him eventually being traded when the  Rockets  pursued Lopez in free agency a year ago. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/with-bulls-roster-shakeup-underway-is-zach-lavine-the-next-piece-on-the-move-150136313.html

Lopez is one of the only viable trade assets the Bucks have, but I'd be hesitant to move him.

Last season they were 6.2 points per 100 possessions better on defense with him on the floor, in 2022-23 they were 8.5 pts/100 better on defense when Brook was playing.

As fun as it is to dream on Giannis at center lineups on offense, he's better utilized as more of a free safety/roamer on defense than he is playing the primary rim defender role that Brook has occupied throughout his time as a Buck.

 

[Matt Breen]

So question for those who know the NBA better than me - which is 95% of you.

Let's say the Bucks are looking to deal Lopez. It would behoove the team to shed some salary. With that in mind, a team such as Oklahoma is looking for a big man. I've seen they might offer someone such as Isaiah Hartenstein a big deal - perhaps as much as $20-25m for 3-4 years - to lure him away from New York. The Thunder have lots of cap space available - like $40m. 

With that in mind, two questions:

Question #1: how would Lopez fit on the Oklahoma team?

Question #2: let's say Oklahoma liked Lopez - what would be a reasonable trade. This would require the Bucks shedding some salary - at least $10m - the more the better. Oklahoma has the #12 pick in the draft - if that matters. Perhaps a third team would need to be involved in any deal. Maybe get a pick and/or a player or two to better fill the needs of the team. 

Just wondering what people thought. Perhaps guys around they'd like to target that could help. Or draft picks. Whatever. Just trying to be creative.

[CheezWizHed]

9 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I think he's just saying trade it to get under that 2nd apron. 

I don't want to speak for Cheese...but I think he knows you can exceed the cap to sign a pick or many FAs with Bird rights and most of that stuff. 

 

I'd agree, I'd also like to see them try and get young and hit on a player. I think that's really their best chance. There are guys who are overlooked. But, we'll see. 

RIght.  Using the first-round pick to trade away Pat, Lopez, or Bobby as a means to shed salary.  Pat is probably just a dump.  You might get something "youngish" back in return.

But more importantly, you allow yourself to sign a FA that will more likely contribute than the #23 or #33 pick. Yes, we need to get younger, but the end of the NBA must be the most crap-shootingest of all crap-shoot pro sports drafts.  Yes, you can get good players but there are such a high percentage that completely flop...

I think we have a better luck attracting young players with a few years of experience that can contribute. 

[BrewerFan]

4 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

So question for those who know the NBA better than me - which is 95% of you.

Let's say the Bucks are looking to deal Lopez. It would behoove the team to shed some salary. With that in mind, a team such as Oklahoma is looking for a big man. I've seen they might offer someone such as Isaiah Hartenstein a big deal - perhaps as much as $20-25m for 3-4 years - to lure him away from New York. The Thunder have lots of cap space available - like $40m. 

With that in mind, two questions:

Question #1: how would Lopez fit on the Oklahoma team?

Question #2: let's say Oklahoma liked Lopez - what would be a reasonable trade. This would require the Bucks shedding some salary - at least $10m - the more the better. Oklahoma has the #12 pick in the draft - if that matters. Perhaps a third team would need to be involved in any deal. Maybe get a pick and/or a player or two to better fill the needs of the team. 

Just wondering what people thought. Perhaps guys around they'd like to target that could help. Or draft picks. Whatever. Just trying to be creative.

I remember there was some talk that they may want to move off of Dort a couple years ago...but he's an elite defender(similar-ish to Jrue) in that he's thick, strong and he's got a good wingspan. But then last year he went out and shot 39% from 3. 

But that'd be an outstanding trade...and I don't know why OKC was ever looking to trade him, but he'd be an ideal fit. It feels like OKC is really building this team the right way and adding a Center in his mid 30s for a young core player is not the way to continue to do that...unless they are looking forward to who they'll have to pay and...I don't know, I can't see it for just Lopez and again, my understanding is the Bucks can't package multiple players. 

I would think a trade of Lopez to OKC would probably be a good fit in the short-term...it'd allow Chet to play the 4, take a lot of the wear and tear off him, but just doesn't line up with their window which is just opening. 

 

But like you, I've just spent much less time paying attention to a lot of these details and rumors than in the past, so maybe OKC thinks they can win it next year(they're not far away) and they'd be willing to. 

[patrickgpe]

the 4 players I favor on could go 23 or 33 from the mocks I have seen. The 4 players are Holmes, Dunn, Scheierman, and Tyson.

[Matt Breen]

First FA move for Bucks - veteran guard Delon Wright. Looks like a Patrick Beverly replacement. Minimum deal.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/07/bucks-delon-wright-agree-to-one-year-deal.html

[patrickgpe]

1 hour ago, reillymcshane said:

First FA move for Bucks - veteran guard Delon Wright. Looks like a Patrick Beverly replacement. Minimum deal.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2024/07/bucks-delon-wright-agree-to-one-year-deal.html

OK move. decent defender.

They also signed Stanley Umude to a 2 way deal. 

[Matt Breen]

Bucks add Taurean Prince. Solid add. Better than Crowder - who never seem to quite fit. 

[Matt Breen]

Big question now is do you trade Lopez, Pat C., or Bobby.  Getting the club below the second apron would be a big deal. 

My gut says someone will go - but who will be interesting. 

[nate82]

2 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

Big question now is do you trade Lopez, Pat C., or Bobby.  Getting the club below the second apron would be a big deal. 

My gut says someone will go - but who will be interesting. 

Lots of rumors that it will be Lopez.  The Bucks are apparently shopping him and teams are calling about him.  The Knicks and Pistons being the most interested. 

[homer]

3 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

Bucks add Taurean Prince. Solid add. Better than Crowder - who never seem to quite fit. 

seems to be universally liked by the Bucks guys I follow

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, nate82 said:

Lots of rumors that it will be Lopez.  The Bucks are apparently shopping him and teams are calling about him.  The Knicks and Pistons being the most interested. 

There has to be some type of plan. They can't just go with Giannis and Portis as their Centers. Both are PFs and...it's not that easy to find a Center who can take the physical pounding Brook can.

Portis would make the most sense, but if they didn't get anything done by the draft, I'm skeptical they will now. 

 

[Matt Breen]

The Athletic's James L. Edwards III wrote an article suggesting the following:

• Pistons receive Brook Lopez and a future first-round pick (2031).
• Bucks receive Jalen Duren.

Duren makes about $4.5m - compared to Lopez's $23m. That gets us under Duren is under control for two more years. He is also only 20 years old. 

In addition to getting younger - which we have said we want to do - the big thing would be this would get the Bucks under the $178m first cap apron, which offer some flexibility if we want to add another player at more than just the league minimum.

Thoughts? Would Duren be a reasonable replacement for Lopez? Would Detroit want to give up on Duren? He's pretty young - but he seems a bit inconsistent (as do a lot of guys in the organization). I haven't seen a lot of him, but I thought he was intriguing. 

I'm guessing Detroit could flip Lopez to another team for a nice pick or two. 

Detroit, by the way, has said they would be willing to take on salary to get more draft assets. 

Link (subscription): https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5614281/2024/07/03/pistons-nba-trade-knicks-lakers-bucks/

[BrewerFan]

23 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

The Athletic's James L. Edwards III wrote an article suggesting the following:

• Pistons receive Brook Lopez and a future first-round pick (2031).
• Bucks receive Jalen Duren.

Duren makes about $4.5m - compared to Lopez's $23m. That gets us under Duren is under control for two more years. He is also only 20 years old. 

In addition to getting younger - which we have said we want to do - the big thing would be this would get the Bucks under the $178m first cap apron, which offer some flexibility if we want to add another player at more than just the league minimum.

Thoughts? Would Duren be a reasonable replacement for Lopez? Would Detroit want to give up on Duren? He's pretty young - but he seems a bit inconsistent (as do a lot of guys in the organization). I haven't seen a lot of him, but I thought he was intriguing. 

I'm guessing Detroit could flip Lopez to another team for a nice pick or two. 

Detroit, by the way, has said they would be willing to take on salary to get more draft assets. 

Link (subscription): https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5614281/2024/07/03/pistons-nba-trade-knicks-lakers-bucks/

Yeah, I guess that'd be reasonable...but you really have to have things lined up and believe you can win, otherwise you'll be going...6-7 years without your 1st and it's just gonna be a REALLY dark period in Bucks Basketball.

Who are you going to sign? Isaac Okoro? I haven't seen if he signed, but that'd be one. Miles Bridges is pretty much the exact player we need...but not the person. I'd have felt better about signing Wiseman and then dealing Lopez and getting what you can, but I guess I'd probably do this. Just make it a protected first. 1-8. 

Lopez can still help a lot of teams out. I'd guess he'd end up backing up Embiid in Philly given how things tend to go. 

[Brian]

On 7/3/2024 at 9:54 PM, BrewerFan said:

There has to be some type of plan. They can't just go with Giannis and Portis as their Centers. Both are PFs and...it's not that easy to find a Center who can take the physical pounding Brook can.

Portis would make the most sense, but if they didn't get anything done by the draft, I'm skeptical they will now. 

 

3 Bucks rumored to be on the trade block could create roster-building opportunities for 2024–25. Bobby Portis, Brook Lopez and Pat Connaughton could Hit the Trade Block soon. 

[BrewerFan]

12 hours ago, Brian said:

3 Bucks rumored to be on the trade block could create roster-building opportunities for 2024–25. Bobby Portis, Brook Lopez and Pat Connaughton could Hit the Trade Block soon. 

I'm not taking BR real seriously. They're just taking the 3 only tradable players with decent salaries and making a guess. They've also had articles talking about Smart coming to Milwaukee(he'd be a great fit) and others who...just aren't coming. 

But, again, if they trade Lopez, who's the 5? You can't make Giannis play Center all the time and you need to actually get better.

James Wiseman, that would have made sense. There's just not much out there that can help us. 

The trade proposal Jalen Duren was in...that'd work. I really can't see why Detroit would do that, but I don't think they make a big move at this point. I do like the moves they have made. I hope they bring Pat Bev back and I think they just need to play AJJ and hopefully Beauchamp forces his way to some minutes. 

I could see Connaughton dumped, but I don't know what's going with him. 

[BrewerFan]

So the Hornets released Davis Bertrans. 

6'10...can shoot. He's not going to be confused with Bam, but he's fairly mobile. 

 

Unless there are players I'm missing, the pickings are awfully slim for Big Men. If Portis or Lopez is going to be traded...Bucks should be in on him, right? Particularly at the minimum (which is all they can offer anyway). 

[Matt Breen]

7 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

So the Hornets released Davis Bertrans. 

6'10...can shoot. He's not going to be confused with Bam, but he's fairly mobile. 

 

Unless there are players I'm missing, the pickings are awfully slim for Big Men. If Portis or Lopez is going to be traded...Bucks should be in on him, right? Particularly at the minimum (which is all they can offer anyway). 

Bertrans is a 40% 3-point shooter. Quick shooter as well. That's pretty sweet. Outstanding free throw shooter as well.

I don't think he does much else. Bad defense. Although he's 6'10", he's pretty thin. Not going to help much on the glass. 

Nothing wrong with getting him as a shooter. Never can have enough shooters.

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

Bertrans is a 40% 3-point shooter. Quick shooter as well. That's pretty sweet. Outstanding free throw shooter as well.

I don't think he does much else. Bad defense. Although he's 6'10", he's pretty thin. Not going to help much on the glass. 

Nothing wrong with getting him as a shooter. Never can have enough shooters.

I'm just looking at all the bigs. If we're going to move one...we're going to need at least a body. 

Wiseman would have been perfect IMO. 

I'd guess we'd have been interested in a guy like Paul Reed. Robert Williams would be...damn near a perfect fit...but he'd also have a huge contract if he could stay healthy. 

 

Charles Bassey, the big man who was cut by the Spurs for roster purposes...he's an interesting big...though SA seems interested in bringing him back. 

Paul Reed. I'd make him a priority. Then you've got more freedom. 

[Matt Breen]

Gary Trent Jr. would be the perfect add for the Bucks. He's a legit starting caliber player - who goes right into the shooting guard spot.

But you figure someone will give him more than minimum. Right? Although a lot of teams that want him only have the minimum left to pay. But maybe the stars will align. 

Why Milwaukee? He knows Dame from his Portland days (whether than is helpful or not, I don't know). The Bucks would be able to sell him on having a starting gig on a very good team - allowing him to remake his value for a return to free agency in 2025. 

Not sure if that's enough to lure Trent Jr. to Milwaukee - but it would be pretty sweet.

[patrickgpe]

2 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

Gary Trent Jr. would be the perfect add for the Bucks. He's a legit starting caliber player - who goes right into the shooting guard spot.

But you figure someone will give him more than minimum. Right? Although a lot of teams that want him only have the minimum left to pay. But maybe the stars will align. 

Why Milwaukee? He knows Dame from his Portland days (whether than is helpful or not, I don't know). The Bucks would be able to sell him on having a starting gig on a very good team - allowing him to remake his value for a return to free agency in 2025. 

Not sure if that's enough to lure Trent Jr. to Milwaukee - but it would be pretty sweet.

he just turned down 15 mil per with the raptors because it wasn't enough. 

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/toronto-raptors-offered-gary-trent-jr-contract-in-free-agency