Luis Robert Available, Should The Brewers Call The White Sox?

[wiguy94]

52 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

He just went deep to straight away center. The guy is a monster when healthy. Put him after Contreras and Yelich and drop Willy to 6 and we are in business. 

This is a guy who is averaging 4.6 fWAR/600 PA. When he's healthy he's a legit stud. I think you at least have to call the White Sox and do your due diligence. 

[Scooterfletcher]

10 hours ago, Bulldogboy said:

Picking up Robert would be sorta like picking up Yelich when we did. Young still best ball ahead of him. Where are the prospects that we gave up to get him? Selling shoes? People love prospects till they ain't prospects anymore. Give me a proven stud. Sure he gets hurt but imagine going from the Sox to this team. He will want to play.

Yelich had 3-4 years control when obtained 

[wiguy94]

3 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Yelich had 3-4 years control when obtained 

Robert has 3 years of control after this  year.

[Scooterfletcher]

19 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Robert has 3 years of control after this  year.

Ok then my bad.  
 

Then offer Frelick Wiemer Black Blaylock Lara for Robert and Fedde.  Hope Mitchell gets and stays healthy and we lose little.

[Playing Catch]

I think that so much of my concern about not just Robert, but Crochet and Fedde, too, is the Sox-stink that comes with the idea of getting them.

I think if they played for just about any other team, I'd think they were better players. Especially with the injury-risk. It's why I always hated the idea of getting Eloy Jimenez.

If I hold my nose and consider Robert again, I can't help but think that the Brewers ABSOLUTELY should try to get him. Although, his salary is not nothing for the Brewers' front office to deal with.

[Bulldogboy]

Another bomb. He's getting hot

[Playing Catch]

11 hours ago, Bulldogboy said:

Another bomb. He's getting hot

Who? Chourio?

I kid. But if Chourio starts looking like a good big-leaguer, perhaps trading for Robert makes less sense.

Now don't get me wrong, Robert would still be a better player than the internal options, but at that price-point, maybe you just stick with the kids.

[tmwiese55]

Of course we all see the injury issue.  But have to remember its also the only reason he's available and why his contract isn't outlandish.   For a small market team, this is a risk you have to consider.  Lots of players who are injury prone have it go away and stay healthy, and lots stay being injury prone.  A team like MKE can't buy players at market cost without flaws but one like this they can and then cross your fingers you can get lucky. 

Financially, yes there will likely be one overlap year with Hoskins (I assume as of now that he'll pick up his option and be back) next year but after that you're essentially just moving Hoskins money over to him.   Before this year we've spending the 8-10 mil on the Mccutcheon/Winker veteran types, well this guy is only like 8 mil more than that.

So it really comes down to prospect costs imo. And yea if he still commands a ridiculous haul then pass on him and carry on as is.  But, with the issues mentioned and that in general nobody gives up top top shelf prospects anymore my guess is it wouldn't be absurd.  Especially since we'd almost assuredly be giving up a ML ready OF Frelick/Mitchell type so that's a solid starting block.    I guess I'd also note I'm much more skeptical on our young OFs than most and don't see the harm in a cash out while you can type strategy on them. 

ETA: I guess if you do get lucky and he can stay healthier keep in mind you'll be able to trade him for a larger package before his FA season as well.  Could apply the 'cash out' idea to him as well if you can get a healthy 2025 or 26 out of him

[Fear The Chorizo]

Since coming back from injury, Robert is hitting 0.148 with 13 ks in 30 plate appearances.  The only reason his OPS is north of 0.700 is 3 of his hits have been HRs.

No thank you.

[tmwiese55]

1 hour ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Since coming back from injury, Robert is hitting 0.148 with 13 ks in 30 plate appearances.  The only reason his OPS is north of 0.700 is 3 of his hits have been HRs.

No thank you.

He's always been a good player when healthy.  I wouldn't put too much stock in 30 PAs right off the DL in a terrible environment.     He does K too much but that's baseball these days. 

[bigred]

On 6/6/2024 at 10:30 PM, nate82 said:

and you would be completely wrong.

In your opinion 

[bigred]

On 6/7/2024 at 10:29 AM, nate82 said:

I would do this trade as quickly as possible if that is what the White Sox wanted.  The only pain would be losing Boeve but I fine with that though I would maybe flip Wilken instead of Boeve.  Wilken hasn't looked all that good in AA so far and that is the biggest test for a prospect and Boeve has looked really good in AA so far.  I would prefer to trade Brown over all of them but he may not have the value or what the White Sox are looking for.  

I think Misio and Quero wouldn't be on the table for a Robert trade.  If they are then I think that is all the White Sox would get other than some lower level prospects like Adams or O'Rae. 

Wilken was also drilled in the head with a pitch, not very long ago. He's not the first player to have the "yips' for a while after coming back from that. 

[bigred]

On 6/7/2024 at 2:23 PM, Bulldogboy said:

You mean proven like Garrett Mitchell Sal Frelick etc... This guy hit 38 hr last year not 5 years ago. If you think after that Phillies series Brewers couldn't use another run production bat I don't know.... you can argue they have arms coming back. I don't see any bats coming to the rescue. Difference of opinion I guess.

The Crew has 1 of the better offenses this year. Starters are the MUCH bigger concern, than more offense. 

[Scooterfletcher]

I’d rather buy low on Jimenez than spend on Robert actually.   Getting a deal on a Jimenez/Kopech package in a buy low, even if it costs a bit, makes sense to me.   For instance, if we can get Jimenez and Kopech for Black straight up would be tough but worth it if Jimenez is healthy. 

[Brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, Scooterfletcher said:

I’d rather buy low on Jimenez than spend on Robert actually.   Getting a deal on a Jimenez/Kopech package in a buy low, even if it costs a bit, makes sense to me.   For instance, if we can get Jimenez and Kopech for Black straight up would be tough but worth it if Jimenez is healthy. 

Jimenez and Kopech for Black would most definitely not be worth it. Jimenez is hugely injury prone and has seen his production nosedive the last couple years. He's as good as gone for the White Sox with his $16.5 mil team option. 

It's pretty much the same deal with Kopech. Though, he doesn't have exorbitant team option that Jimenez does. 

No way should you have to give up a top 100 prospect for those guys. 

[TURBO]

2 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

I’d rather buy low on Jimenez than spend on Robert actually.   Getting a deal on a Jimenez/Kopech package in a buy low, even if it costs a bit, makes sense to me.   For instance, if we can get Jimenez and Kopech for Black straight up would be tough but worth it if Jimenez is healthy. 

What does anyone see in Jimenez and Kopech.  Both have had ample time in the majors to show their worth and neither has been able to do it.  Kopech is an absolute crap show this year, and like Robert, Jimenez can not stay healthy.

I want nothing to do with either of them for a playoff run.

 

[wallus]

Only interested in Jimenez if the price is very low.

[Scooterfletcher]

Ok so kopech and jiminez for Lara Bitoni Wiskowski who would say no?

[nate82]

24 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Ok so kopech and jiminez for Lara Bitoni Wiskowski who would say no?

Brewers.  The White Sox are making that trade before you can think how bad of an idea that is.  O'Rae alone should be enough for Jimenez.  Kopech probably someone in the DSL. 

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, TURBO said:

What does anyone see in Jimenez and Kopech.  Both have had ample time in the majors to show their worth and neither has been able to do it.  Kopech is an absolute crap show this year, and like Robert, Jimenez can not stay healthy.

I want nothing to do with either of them for a playoff run.

 

I don't want to trade the players we're talking about for them, but, anyone who's seen Kopech pitch has to at least understand why people would want to see him in Milwaukee the next year and a half. He's just got incredible arm talent. And Eloy...as a DH only and the #6 hitter in this lineup...I get the appeal. 

You have a BP with Uribe, Kopech, Payamps, MeGill...and then Williams coming back, that could be an insanely talented pen. 

But, to your point, given the actual production, not just the tools, I'm not giving up Wilken, Boeve or anyone on that tier, much less higher. I'd probably not give up much more than Brown Jr. 

 

[BrewerFan]

31 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Ok so kopech and jiminez for Lara Bitoni Wiskowski who would say no?

No shot...IMO. 

I wouldn't consider that at...all. 

[Scooterfletcher]

1 hour ago, nate82 said:

Brewers.  The White Sox are making that trade before you can think how bad of an idea that is.  O'Rae alone should be enough for Jimenez.  Kopech probably someone in the DSL. 

Kopech is gonna return much more than you are thinking Nathan.  Watch and see….