2024-25 Offseason Ideas

[TURBO]

1 hour ago, Scooterfletcher said:

While you might be right, Black is not a down the road guy.   He is a guy that would immediately be an impact bat for them.   The Jays always have some money to spend to get a guy like Flaherty in free agency too.   

If Black is an immediate impact bat, why in the hell are we not taking advantage?

I am seriously starting to wonder if the Brewers see him like a lot of us here do...

I m expecting him to be traded this offseason, mostly due to the fact that he has no defensive home.

[wntrtxn21]

I wonder if the Brewers could make a deal for Josh Smith of Texas. With Jung coming back and Foscue coming up, Smith should be available and fairly cheap. He plays all the infield positions and is having a very nice year for Texas. Not arby eligible until 2026. Get Gio Urshela to replace Bauers. IF by some chance, Hoskins opts out, Walker is a FA and shouldn't break the bank. I think they need to deal for one #3 type SP.  With Gasser not available until later, there are too many question marks with Montas, Civale, Woody, Ross, Ashby, and Hall to go into 2025 with what they already have. 

[jay87shot]

2 hours ago, wntrtxn21 said:

I wonder if the Brewers could make a deal for Josh Smith of Texas. With Jung coming back and Foscue coming up, Smith should be available and fairly cheap. He plays all the infield positions and is having a very nice year for Texas. Not arby eligible until 2026. Get Gio Urshela to replace Bauers. IF by some chance, Hoskins opts out, Walker is a FA and shouldn't break the bank. I think they need to deal for one #3 type SP.  With Gasser not available until later, there are too many question marks with Montas, Civale, Woody, Ross, Ashby, and Hall to go into 2025 with what they already have. 

I would be fine with Smith if the price isn't crazy. No to Ursheala, he doesn't walk and goes against the offense philosophy. I'd rather just make Black a utility guy and play some 1st/3rd/OF/DH. There will be a ton of questions with the rotation but we do have amazing depth and lots of high end young arms that will be ready if there are injuries or ineffectiveness.

Peralta, Woody, Rea, Tobias, Civale, Hall, Wilson (if need be) Misi, Patrick, CarRod, Henderson, Wichrowski add in a cheap vet (or maybe an Ashby miracle) who can start or be a multi inning reliever and that is light year ahead of what we had at the beginning of the year.

[wallus]

5 hours ago, wntrtxn21 said:

I wonder if the Brewers could make a deal for Josh Smith of Texas. With Jung coming back and Foscue coming up, Smith should be available and fairly cheap. He plays all the infield positions and is having a very nice year for Texas. Not arby eligible until 2026. Get Gio Urshela to replace Bauers. IF by some chance, Hoskins opts out, Walker is a FA and shouldn't break the bank. I think they need to deal for one #3 type SP.  With Gasser not available until later, there are too many question marks with Montas, Civale, Woody, Ross, Ashby, and Hall to go into 2025 with what they already have. 

Had Smith on my radar but he has been not playing as well as he did to start the season offensively. I would want to make sure his first half wasn't a fluke before making a move. The move might involve Devin for Smith which would help both teams.

[jay87shot]

19 hours ago, wallus said:

Had Smith on my radar but he has been not playing as well as he did to start the season offensively. I would want to make sure his first half wasn't a fluke before making a move. The move might involve Devin for Smith which would help both 

Devin for Smith is the start of an interesting trade. I would probably want a couple interesting prospect in case Smith would be a flop. To be honest I would prefer Justin Foscue to Smith but Foscue is  very much like Tyler Black that the bat should be good but where will he play.

[BrewCrew8675309]

On 8/10/2024 at 3:45 PM, TURBO said:

If Black is an immediate impact bat, why in the hell are we not taking advantage?

I am seriously starting to wonder if the Brewers see him like a lot of us here do...

I m expecting him to be traded this offseason, mostly due to the fact that he has no defensive home.

That is a great question. Black is the #2 1B prospect on MLB.com. I would rather trade Hoskins to NYY (if he is trade eligible) as they desperately need to figure out their 1B position and Black (and Wilken?) need ABs.  Rhys and Milner for Chase Hampton (AA).

I would like to see Sal, Bryse, and Lara and maybe a sub top-20 fielder (type deal as we never know the real value that LAA has for these guys) for TStephanson as he is now on the last year of his contract. LAA have little to no prospects of note and we could send some youth there to resurrect their system.

TStephanson, Freddy, Rea, TMyers, Civale and if 6 starters is desired one from: 

DL Hall if he can throw strikes, Woody when he is up to it, Gasser the same, Misi when ready, Logan Henderson is going to be asking for a shot, CRod may go back to World Baseball Classic form next year, AAshby may start executing pitches and by mid-season KC Hunt and Shane Smith may be knocking on the door. 

Devin Williams is getting to be a prized target that we could probably move. We did well for the first half and while we do want him sharp for this stretch run, he is an UFA after 2025. Megill, Means, Payamps, Peguero, Abner when healthy, Yoho will be up next year, BHudson, Koenig, Herget, Paredes, or JB Buk if he can stay healthy.  Other kids will emerge too and Hall and Misi may see some time over here like Burnes did growing up. It is easier to find a core 6 and 2 to move around up and down out of that grouping. 

With Martin and Jansen being  older UFAs, Devin to BOS for David Sandlin (AA), Jedixson Paez (A) and PTBNL.

As none of us work in front offices, assume that all trade offers have wiggle room to add/subtract players. I am thinking that I am only directionally accurate in my wants. I am looking for controllable youth and supporting losses from within (Boeve/Wilken for Adames as Ortiz slides over, Black for Sal in the OF and some time at 1B with Bauers to cover Rhys' departure, and Yoho and a host of others pushing Payamps, Means, and Megill into higher leverage situations).

AChapman and Pivetta could be signed to support the pitching.

OF depth could be signed during the offseason as well. 

[BrewCrewBlueDevil]

2025

The Brewers will spend at 3B to replace Adames.

C- Contreras

1B- Hoskins

2B- Turang

SS- Ortiz

3B- Chapman (1 Years, 18 million with mutual option)

OF- Chourio, Mitchell, Frelick

DH- Yelich

Bench- Black (1B/3B), Montesario (2B/SS) Perkins (OF), Haase (C)

SP- Peralta, Civale, Hall, Rea, Meyers

Pen- Williams, Megill, Hudson, Payamps, Koenig, Uribe, Yoho, Misoraski 

* The starters will still be sketchy.

* The pen is stacked.

Chourio LF

Contreras C

Yelich DH

Chapman 3B

Mitchell CF

Hoskins 1B

Frelick RF

Ortiz SS

Turang 2B

[Scooterfletcher]

Chapman signed for 3/54 so he is not opting out to take a 1/18 (plus the fact the deep pocketed Giants have also just shown a desire to extend his contract).

The better move at 3B would be to target the top 4-5 3B prospects in the minors that are mlb ready in 2025 and try ship Devin to a team currently holding one of them.   Maybe the O’s have a non-Mayo 3B prospect ??  I also wouldn’t mind exploring getting Baty from Stearns and the Mets (Devin wouldn’t be a fit there but probably could find a workable deal there if we were so inclined).

[wiguy94]

1 hour ago, BrewCrew8675309 said:

That is a great question. Black is the #2 1B prospect on MLB.com. I would rather trade Hoskins to NYY (if he is trade eligible) as they desperately need to figure out their 1B position and Black (and Wilken?) need ABs.  Rhys and Milner for Chase Hampton (AA).

I would like to see Sal, Bryse, and Lara and maybe a sub top-20 fielder (type deal as we never know the real value that LAA has for these guys) for TStephanson as he is now on the last year of his contract. LAA have little to no prospects of note and we could send some youth there to resurrect their system.

TStephanson, Freddy, Rea, TMyers, Civale and if 6 starters is desired one from: 

DL Hall if he can throw strikes, Woody when he is up to it, Gasser the same, Misi when ready, Logan Henderson is going to be asking for a shot, CRod may go back to World Baseball Classic form next year, AAshby may start executing pitches and by mid-season KC Hunt and Shane Smith may be knocking on the door. 

Devin Williams is getting to be a prized target that we could probably move. We did well for the first half and while we do want him sharp for this stretch run, he is an UFA after 2025. Megill, Means, Payamps, Peguero, Abner when healthy, Yoho will be up next year, BHudson, Koenig, Herget, Paredes, or JB Buk if he can stay healthy.  Other kids will emerge too and Hall and Misi may see some time over here like Burnes did growing up. It is easier to find a core 6 and 2 to move around up and down out of that grouping. 

With Martin and Jansen being  older UFAs, Devin to BOS for David Sandlin (AA), Jedixson Paez (A) and PTBNL.

As none of us work in front offices, assume that all trade offers have wiggle room to add/subtract players. I am thinking that I am only directionally accurate in my wants. I am looking for controllable youth and supporting losses from within (Boeve/Wilken for Adames as Ortiz slides over, Black for Sal in the OF and some time at 1B with Bauers to cover Rhys' departure, and Yoho and a host of others pushing Payamps, Means, and Megill into higher leverage situations).

AChapman and Pivetta could be signed to support the pitching.

OF depth could be signed during the offseason as well. 

You’re not getting a Top 100 pitching prospect for Hoskins and Milner….

[wntrtxn21]

BrewCrew: Are you talking about T. Anderson from LAA? T Stepenson is a catcher for the Reds. Anderson would be a nice fill-in until some of the youger Brewers SPs are ready to go. I'd let the Angels pick from Wilson, Civale, Ross, Ashby or maybe Peguero/Payamps plus throw in Milner. I'd rather just get Pivetta if possible and use Frelick/Lara to get help at 3B (assuming Milwaukee will lose out on Adames and Ortiz goes to SS).

[Redd Vencher]

9 hours ago, BrewCrew8675309 said:

Rhys and Milner for Chase Hampton (AA).

I would like to see Sal, Bryse, and Lara and maybe a sub top-20 fielder (type deal as we never know the real value that LAA has for these guys) for TStephanson

With Martin and Jansen being  older UFAs, Devin to BOS for David Sandlin (AA), Jedixson Paez (A) and PTBNL.

That first trade isn't happening. The Anderson trade is laughably bad for the Brewers, and the Williams trade is a pretty weak return as well barring the Brewers internals really liking the prospects.

[Redd Vencher]

A guy I would be in on a pillow contract for is Gleyber Torres. He's entering his age 28 seasons, so a bounceback to career norms is still a strong possibility. (113 wRC+) Yoan Moncada is an interesting stopgap option for 3B until Wilken and/or Boeve are ready.

[jay87shot]

On 8/12/2024 at 7:02 PM, Redd Vencher said:

A guy I would be in on a pillow contract for is Gleyber Torres. He's entering his age 28 seasons, so a bounceback to career norms is still a strong possibility. (113 wRC+) Yoan Moncada is an interesting stopgap option for 3B until Wilken and/or Boeve are ready.

I was going to mention Moncada, he could be a nice platoon 3rd/utility player with Black. I would go after him if he is under say 5 million. 

How much would a Shane Beiber 2 year deal cost something like Tyler Mahle 2/22 or a bit more because of track record? Getting a guy like Beiber half way through next year could be big and with Woody, Rea, and Civale free agents after the year it would be nice to have a top of the rotation vet under control for 2026.

I like Devin to the Yanks but I really like getting the comp a for a throw in with the Burnes trade and kind of want to do that again. I can't find who will get those but maybe a team like the Dbacks would give us 2 solid prospects and a comp a pick of they have it.

[jay87shot]

1)Devin to Dback for P Yilber Diaz, INF Demetrio Crisantes and Comp pick

2) Hoby to Toronto  P Mason Fluharty

3)Joel Payamps to SF for OF Jonah Cox

4) Aaron Civale and Bryse Wilson to San Diego for P Isiah Lowe and 1B Romeo Sanabria

Sign Yoan Moncada 1/4 w/incentuves and Shane Bieber 2/28 (10 in 2025, 18 2026)

1) LF Frelick/2B Turang 2) RF Chourio 3) DH Yeli 4) C Contreras 5) CF Mitchell 6) 1B Hoskins 7)3B Black 8)SS Ortiz 9) Frelick/Turang

Bench) Haase (resign), OF Perkins, IF Moncada, Mone/Collins/Brewer/minor league contract add

Peralta, Woody, Rea, Myers, Patrick/Henderson/Misi/CarRod/Yilber Diaz eventually Beiber

Megill, Huddy, Koenig, Peguero, Yoho, Mears, Paredes, Hall, Bauk/Herget/Zas/Fluharty/Uribe?/Ashby/Jay/minor league FA

We trade a lot away but we have plenty of bullpen depth and lots of guys who could step up Middendorf, Chirinos, Yeager, others. We get 3 solid pieces for Devin and 4 upside prospect for the "extra depth" we have built on our pitching side. There is a rotation spot up for grabs for our young arms and there should be solid depth across our minor league system.

[BrewerFan]

On 8/9/2024 at 11:42 AM, nate82 said:

Yuck.  Other than Soto not sure there is anyone I would give a large contract to.  Buehler on a 1-year would be interesting but I think he just resigns with the Dodgers and maybe Soroka as a reclamation project on a minor league contract.  Kikuchi on a 2 or 3-year deal would be good also. 

Burnes?

[nate82]

4 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Burnes?

No, never ever ever ever give a pitcher a deal in FA unless they are Ohtani.

Short term deals only for pitchers in FA and never sign a reliever to a long term deal or at market value.

[BrewerFan]

1 minute ago, nate82 said:

No, never ever ever ever give a pitcher a deal in FA unless they are Ohtani.

Short term deals only for pitchers in FA and never sign a reliever to a long term deal or at market value.

Well...it won't happen, but I'd be happy to...if this were a realistic conversation and...we had any chance. There are a few other pitchers I'd sign for a year or two as well.

But LAD would outbid us for Buehler. They've seen what he does when healthy and they don't care. 

I am shocked Flaherty is 28 years old. I'd have guessed 34. 

I'd pay for one of the Braves pitchers...if we had the money and it was realistic. Morton? Fried is likely to get a big but not crazy deal. Morton will get a shorter deal. 

Of course the lack of quality means...they'll all be overpaid a bit and we won't sign anyone and that's fine as we get Colin Rea or Tobias Myers to turn into good pitchers. So it's fine.

 

[Scooterfletcher]

I think Moncada is the perfect target for this team.   Likely can be had for the 5-10 mil/year type contract we signed Junis and Sanchez for this past off season (Sanchez injury led to adjustment of his original contract).
 

id pay “up to” 10 million on a one year prove yourself deal for Moncada to be penciled in at 3B for us next year.

[TURBO]

Moncada?  What has he done to generate even a small iota of interest.

Are you guys still clinging to his prospect status?  That ship has sailed.

Hard pass on Moncada.

[Playing Catch]

1 hour ago, TURBO said:

Moncada?  What has he done to generate even a small iota of interest.

Are you guys still clinging to his prospect status?  That ship has sailed.

Hard pass on Moncada.

That was my first thought as well. But I dunno. His career numbers are all over the place. He wouldn't be expensive at all. Perhaps getting out of the Southside would revitalize his interest in playing baseball?

But yeah, no.

[Redd Vencher]

8 hours ago, TURBO said:

Moncada?  What has he done to generate even a small iota of interest.

Are you guys still clinging to his prospect status?  That ship has sailed.

Hard pass on Moncada.

We're going to need another IF when Adames leaves. Gleyber Torres on a pillow contract would be my first choice for that IF. Should Torres not have to settle for a pillow contract, the options in the Brewers price range aren't great, barring Kim getting Wonged, and Wilken/Boeve aren't likely to be ready on OD. Moncada is the youngest of the options and should provide average production on at least 1 side of the ball. (His defense is solid at 3rd despite injuries and poor performance at the plate over the last few seasons) The White Sox should pay the $5 M buyout on the $25 M option. I'd do a 1 year between $1-3 M for the 2025 campaign. Maybe even get an option in there.

[nate82]

1 hour ago, Redd Vencher said:

His defense is solid at 3rd despite injuries and poor performance at the plate over the last few seasons

Moncada's defense is not solid at 3rd.  Not sure what you are looking at but he is not solid at 3B.  He is average at best and probably just a bit below average.

The only way you can justify Moncada is if you think he can have a resurgence similar to what Profar is having with the Padres.  I don't think that is all that likely to happen.  Moncada will also be entering into his age 30 season next year.  I don't think there will be much if any improvement over what he is now.  Dunn makes more sense at 3B next year than Moncada does. 

[Scooterfletcher]

What about a deal where Williams goes to Baltimore and Mayo to Mke with other parts involved?  Mayo sucked in. baltimore his first tour and they frankly don’t need him at the moment.  Devin is the best closer in the game .

[wiguy94]

37 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

What about a deal where Williams goes to Baltimore and Mayo to Mke with other parts involved?  Mayo sucked in. baltimore his first tour and they frankly don’t need him at the moment.  Devin is the best closer in the game .

For 1 year of a Cy Young SP the Brewers didn't even get a Mayo level prospect...why the heck do you think the Brewers could get Mayo for 1 year of a RP?

[Redd Vencher]

3 hours ago, nate82 said:

Moncada's defense is not solid at 3rd.  Not sure what you are looking at but he is not solid at 3B.  He is average at best and probably just a bit below average.

The only way you can justify Moncada is if you think he can have a resurgence similar to what Profar is having with the Padres.  I don't think that is all that likely to happen.  Moncada will also be entering into his age 30 season next year.  I don't think there will be much if any improvement over what he is now.  Dunn makes more sense at 3B next year than Moncada does. 

You're having an argument with semantics here. Average/Solid are used interchangeably in my original posts. He has a -4 DRS 4.9 UZR 4 OAA at 3B ove the last 3 seasons.

I can justify Moncada just fine without him having a Profar type season. I did it in the rest of the post you didn't quote. Entering his age 30 season makes him one of the younger IF in the FA market. (Torres 28, Adames/Kim/Rosario 29, Moncada/Wade/Hampson 30, Bregman/DeJong/Newman 31, etc.) Moncada has a career 107 wRC+. A 100 wRC+ and average defense at 3B for a couple million would be a perfectly fine stopgap to Wilken/Boeve. If he can't do that it's easy to dump him in season. He's not my first option to bring in as I suggested Torres on a pillow contract.