Reds (Martinez) vs Brewers (Myers): 8/10/24, 6:10pm

[wiguy94]

3 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Note my opening comment … “I may be in the minority here”

Why do you think he's a few years away from being capable of pitching in an MLB bullpen?

[Bulldogboy]

Is it Hall tomorrow?

[wiguy94]

Just now, Bulldogboy said:

Is it Hall tomorrow?

Seems like it. They said he's in Milwaukee.

[StearnsFTW]

7 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

What do we think is the corresponding move for Hall getting activated tomorrow? Peguero optioned and Milner phantom IL/DFA feel like the most likely to me.

I really hope they don't DFA Hoby 

 

I still have faith.

[StearnsFTW]

7 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Why do you think he's a few years away from being capable of pitching in an MLB bullpen?

I think if there was a spot he could pitch here tomorrow. 

 

As a reliever. 

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, StearnsFTW said:

I think if there was a spot he could pitch here tomorrow. 

 

As a reliever. 

Yeah I agree. His command/control is no worse than Uribe who was pretty good last year in the bullpen.

[Brian]

12 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Is it Hall tomorrow?

https://www.fantasypros.com/mlb/news/463609/dl-hall-elbow-could-make-next-start-majors.php

 

[markedman5]

27 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

What do we think is the corresponding move for Hall getting activated tomorrow? Peguero optioned and Milner phantom IL/DFA feel like the most likely to me.

Is Hall starting tomorrow? I’ve seen Rae listed.

[StearnsFTW]

Also, Ross should be DFA tomorrow for Hall in my opinion  

[wiguy94]

4 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Is Hall starting tomorrow? I’ve seen Rae listed.

I don't know if he or Ross are starting tomorrow probably a piggy back type situation, but it's not going to be Rea. Brewers have had the starter for tomorrow left empty all weekend. If it was Rea he would just be listed as the starter.

[adambr2]

Hoby Milner has an option remaining which would be a really easy call right now but he's also near that 5 year service time cutoff where you have to consent to being optioned so I don't really know if he can be involuntarily optioned or not. 

[Joseph Zarr]

Boy, I wish I could say I'm confident about the prospects of a DL Hall-to-Ross piggyback. This is simply not the case. Not one bit. I continue to have zero faith in Hall's 4-seamer. In all his Rehab work I am pretty sure we got one outing where the velo, shape, and movement were where we need that pitch to be. Every other outing, it was off-speed that led the way for me. The four-seamer was just too flat and hittable for MLB bats for my liking. I absolutely hope I am wrong. 

 

[wiguy94]

2 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Hoby Milner has an option remaining which would be a really easy call right now but he's also near that 5 year service time cutoff where you have to consent to being optioned so I don't really know if he can be involuntarily optioned or not. 

Hoby has passed 5 years service time, so he would need to agree to an option. I guess he could agree to that, but feels unlikely. 

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Boy, I wish I could say I'm confident about the prospects of a DL Hall-to-Ross piggyback. This is simply not the case. Not one bit. I continue to have zero faith in Hall's 4-seamer. In all his Rehab work I am pretty sure we got one outing where the velo, shape, and movement were where we need that pitch to be. Every other outing, it was off-speed that led the way for me. The four-seamer was just too flat and hittable for MLB bats for my liking. 

 

Oh I totally agree with you there Joseph, but I think the Brewers have zero interest in burning Hall's final option. As one of the two pieces in the Burnes return, I doubt they want to have a potential situation next year where Hall is out of options and a DFA candidate 

[Brian]

I'm Not to crazy about Payamps either, they could send him down also. 

[Joseph Zarr]

9 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Oh I totally agree with you there Joseph, but I think the Brewers have zero interest in burning Hall's final option. As one of the two pieces in the Burnes return, I doubt they want to have a potential situation next year where Hall is out of options and a DFA candidate 

Yeah. And, that makes sense. I haven't been all that enthused by what I've seen from Hudson <sad face 1>. I keep waiting for Hall to take that next step. Haven't seen it <sad face 2>. IF they get the Mix right - leading with off-speed and using the 4-seamer as an honesty pitch - I think they can make it work for 4 innings. Unless, of course, we are seeing that coveted movement early in the outing. I mean we can celebrate a 94.5-96 mph heater for Hall like several on the Beat have done but that just doesn't mean much if the life of the pitch is a flatline. Thems are just the facts. I had been more impressed by what I'd seen from JB Bukauskas than what I had seen from Hudson - naturally, he took that come backer and is now out for an unknown period of time. Hopefully, it was just a stinger and minor setback. The most dangerous bullpen options absolutely remain Miz and Yoho. Tho, for obvious reasons, we're not going to see them any time soon.

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, Brian said:

I'm Not to crazy about Payamps either, they could send him down also. 

Seems highly unlikely considering he entered in a tie game with a runner on base in the 8th inning tonight.

[Joseph Zarr]

2 minutes ago, Brian said:

I'm Not to crazy about Payamps either, they could send him down also. 

I don't know. Payamps has pretty dang dependable since that 3-run hiccup. Off the top of my head maybe 1 ER in like 10-12 outings? That's nothing to scoff at. 

[tonyei31]

2 minutes ago, Brian said:

I'm Not to crazy about Payamps either, they could send him down also. 

Payamps is going nowhere.   Continued faith from organization.  Has been nearly lights out in the past month+.  He's actually trending more towards last year Payamps over that span.  

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Yeah. And, that makes sense. I haven't been all that enthused by what I've seen from Hudson <sad face 1>. I keep waiting for Hall to take that next step. Haven't seen it <sad face 2>. IF they get the Mix right - leading with off-speed and using the 4-seamer as an honesty pitch - I think they can make it work for 4 innings. Unless, of course, we are seeing that coveted movement early in the outing. I mean we can celebrate a 94.5-96 mph heater for Hall like several on the Beat have done but that just doesn't mean much if the life of the pitch is a flatline. Thems are just the facts. I had been more impressed by what I'd seen from JB Bukauskas than what I had seen from Hudson - naturally, he took that come backer and is now out for an unknown period of time. Hopefully, it was just a stinger and minor setback. The most dangerous bullpen options absolutely remain Miz and Yoho. Tho, for obvious reasons, we're not going to see them any time soon.

Oh I said earlier in this thread that I feel like early season Hudson won't be back again this year. Seems he was ridden into the ground and he just can't regain the juice this year. Will be interesting to see what they do with him. I imagine he will go straight back to the MLB pen after this rehab assignment but if he struggles they might option him.

[wiguy94]

Just now, tonyei31 said:

Payamps is going nowhere.   Continued faith from organization.  Has been nearly lights out in the past month+.  He's actually trending more towards last year Payamps over that span.  

Also there's the fact he was used in a tie game with an inherited runner in the 8th inning tonight. He's clearly not a candidate to be DFA'd at this point.

[tonyei31]

1 hour ago, wiguy94 said:

6 more years of control because he isn't going to get a full year of service time this season.

I thought it was fringe on 3 pre-arby years vs 2 pre-arby years.  If 6 years of control is the case it's even better!

[wiguy94]

2 minutes ago, tonyei31 said:

I thought it was fringe on 3 pre-arby years vs 2 pre-arby years.  If 6 years of control is the case it's even better!

I don't know for sure about Super 2 status, but I think he will be Super 2 which would mean 2 more pre-arb years then 4 years of arbitration. Free agent after the 2030 season. If he's not Super 2 it would mean 3 more pre-arb years then 3 years of arbitration.

[tonyei31]

1 minute ago, wiguy94 said:

Also there's the fact he was used in a tie game with an inherited runner in the 8th inning tonight. He's clearly not a candidate to be DFA'd at this point.

If any 'out of left field' DFA happened it would be Elvis (I don't think that happens, personally).  For me it's pretty simple.  Hall is up, Milner optioned with right to refuse.  Hudson comes back and Ross is DFA.  The real issue comes when Megill is ready. 

[tonyei31]

2 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

I don't know for sure about Super 2 status, but I think he will be Super 2 which would mean 2 more pre-arb years then 4 years of arbitration. Free agent after the 2030 season. If he's not Super 2 it would mean 3 more pre-arb years then 3 years of arbitration.

Either way that's a huge organizational win.